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 Those of you who know me know it is out of the ordinary for me to post a blog about Anakin/Darth Vader - well, unless it is in direct correlation to my favorite Star Wars character (that would be Luke for those of you who are unfamiliar with that little piece of knowledge  ). But why not step outside the box, do something a little out of the norm for me? (Now, that would be out of the norm for me!  )
I was at our local Star Wars shop (every town has one, right?) earlier this week, and I was chatting with the proprietor about - surprise, surprise! - Star Wars! Both of us love ALL SIX of the movies, and we have a good time discussing (as I'm sure you can imagine  ) everything Star Wars.
At one point, my friend posed this query: "Was it Palpatine who planted (in Anakin) the vision of Padmé dying (thus intentionally precipitating her death)? Or did Anakin's dream happen naturally, the way they come to all Jedi?"
As I drove home - and ever since - I've been churning this question around in my head. I never really gave this idea any thought, but it has possibilities. Hmmm, I wonder what the answer is . . .
Honestly, I always have thought the images came to Anakin as images often come to the Jedi (kind of like premonitions we meer mortals sometimes get, or, better yet, déjà vu). But, upon this dear man's posing, I can see good ol' Palpy planting that idea in Anakin's all-too-easily-manipulated mind. It would be just one more example of Palpatine's control of the entire situation pertaining to Anakin - who already was assuaged by guilt and despair over losing his mother.
Could it have been just coincidence that Palpatine told Anakin about the greatest Dark Lord of the Sith's ability to cheat death? And Palpatine (intentionally) let it slip to Anakin late in ROTS that he (Palps) knew about Padmé and Anakin. (One would have to be blind not to see there was something between the Senator From Naboo and the Hero Of The Republic.) It's no wonder, given Anakin's feelings about his mother's death, that Palpatine would exploit that the first chance he got. Planting the idea that Padmé would die in childbirth would be a masterful coup on Palpatine's part. The moment Anakin had that vision, he was a slave to the Dark Side. He just didn't realize it.
Maybe we'll never know for certain under what circumstances Anakin experienced that troubling vision that led to such despair and suffering. It wouldn't be the first time a quandry arose over one facet of the story, and it certainly won't be the last. That's one of the aspects that makes Star Wars so fascinating. We wonder. We pose. We consider. We question.

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Upon returning home from the local shop, I settled on the our sofa in our Star Wars Room, and switched on the television to kill a little time before I had to start dinner. I flipped through a few channels until I happened upon one of the Cinemax stations airing - A New Hope! I came in on the scene where Darth Vader grabbed two of his elite TIE fighter pilots . . . well, you know the rest.
If my husband had come home at that moment, he would have asked, "Why aren't you watching this on dvd?" A pertinent question since the tv version was not in widescreen (I really don't like to watch a movie on tv if it isn't aired as it appeared on the big screen. You lose too much detail if it isn't broadcast in widescreen.), and it wasn't in high definition (we actually bought our HDTV just to watch a sharper image of SW!  ). "That would take too much work," I would have responded in a dead-pan voice.
To make a pretty darn good afternoon stretch into an exceptional evening, ANH was followed by TESB and ROTJ. I ask you - does it get any better than this?
Considering my attention was on Star Wars, we settled for leftovers for dinner.  Whose attention could be diverted to cook up dinner when Luke,  Leia and Han were cooking up mischief of their own on screen!
(Just thought I'd share this little sidebar with you.  )
Have A Great Day!
MTFBWY
JMW
p.s. While I type this entry, I have my Itunes library of songs serenading me in the background. I have the program set to "shuffle". It amazes me how the majority of songs playing are Star Wars songs (Meco and Weird Al, with a smattering of SW Christmas songs.  . . . a little early for the latter tunes, but they are Star Wars.  ). You'd almost think some force beyond my control is at play here. 
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vadersgirl33 vadersgirl_reflections
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date Posted: Oct 17, 2007 7:05 AM
Ya know, I've often wondered about that myself. Was it just a premonition, like all Jedi have?? Or was it induced from Palpatine  Hmmmm......................we may truly never know the answer.
I love listening to SW music, especially while on the computer!
vadersgirl33
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FAN4YRS A Rebel's Ramblings
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date Posted: Oct 17, 2007 7:23 AM
I've thought about that question, too. I think Palpatine planted the dreams about his mother and Padme. I think he somehow controled the Tusken Raiders who kidnapped Shmi (they were under his influence) and therefore, the dream "came true". In the situation with Padme, she would not have died if Anakin had not acted on his dream, this time, Palpatine only planted the dream.
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The Stooge Star Wars Joke-A-Day
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date Posted: Oct 17, 2007 7:47 AM
The best "proof" that the dream was planted is that Anakin's vision's didn't seem to come exactly true. (He saw Obi-Wan coaching her through the birth, which I don't recall seeing...)
Then again, Anakin's had other prophetic dreams which also came true, notably the one about his mother. It's a big leap to suggest that Palpy got in cahoots with the Tuskens to plan that.
Then again again, Palpy obvious knew about Anakin's Tusken massacre, so he may have used that info to his advantage, and planted the dream...
Yeesh, this could go on all day. 
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comanderbly That's Impossible. Even for a Computer.
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date Posted: Oct 17, 2007 8:31 AM
I think Palpy did not manipulate Anakin's dreams with the force. The films and EU show the Sith enjoy manipulating people. Manipulation shows their power goes beyond just the force. Palpy spent time earning Anakin's trust - he did such a good job of it he made Anakin question the Jedi order. Details of Anakin's vision do not appear to come true - but as Yoda said - Always in motion the future is... Palpatine seemed to know of Anakin's vision, he also knew of his feelings for Padme - maybe the force helped him pick up on those details. Really both explanations work - force or no force. I'll take mine no - force.
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jediprincess77 I Don't Know Where You Get Your Delusions...
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date Posted: Oct 17, 2007 8:48 AM
Ooooh! That's a good question!
It makes some sense that Palpy planted the dream, because it contained specific elements that Palps obviously needed Anakin to fear more than he embraced the life of a Jedi. Adding to Stooge's point, we know that Anakin told Palpatine about his encounter with the Sand People. Because Anakin's other dream of his mother came true, Palps knew a dream with Padme dying would be enough to send him over the edge. (How could Anakin survive without BOTH of these loves in his life?)
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jediprincess77 I Don't Know Where You Get Your Delusions...
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date Posted: Oct 17, 2007 8:48 AM
Perhaps he knew Anakin would get desperate & leave behind all but the most important things in his life-- power, fear, & Padme. Unfortunately, Ani lost Padme in the process of trying to hold onto all these things & Palps had plans for Vader's power...
You'd almost think some force beyond my control is at play here.
Most definitely!  That's so cool how your day worked out like that. 
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Oct 17, 2007 8:51 AM
You live in a SW wonderland! I wish I had a local SW shop!
I love ruminating SW points too. Don't we all? I don't know what the origins of Anakin's dreams were, but I don't think they actually originated from Palpatine. I certainly believe however, that Palpatine played a major role in manipulating how Anakin dealt with it.
Hee! If SW is ever on TV, I'll always watch it - even though I own almost every possible VHS/DVD edition  There's something kind of neat about catching it like that, and also the idea that perhaps thousands of other people are watching the same thing at the same time. LOL - and one of my main reasons for HDTV is to watch SW all shiny pretty too. I'm just waiting for the saga to come out in Blu-ray!
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Darth_Hiram A Journey into The Force
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date Posted: Oct 17, 2007 9:29 AM
I'm not sure Palpatine planted the dreams in Anakin's mind, but rather coerced him into believing they could come true if he didn't do something to save her. I think Anakin's own fear about losing another close to him allowed the Force to give him this premonition, that he didn't really want to see.
Though I like Stooge's comment about Obi-Wan coaching Padme in the dream, but is not what happened. hmmmmm.
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ewanandhaydenfan5 I Have You Now!
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date Posted: Oct 17, 2007 9:39 AM
I go back and forth about Palpy planting the vision. Stooge does have a point about Obi coaching Padme, but couldn't that have been a part that we weren't shown but was happening anyway? (unless I'm not remembering correctly...I wish I had the movie handy now!)
Could it have been just coincidence that Palpatine told Anakin about the greatest Dark Lord of the Sith's ability to cheat death?
I don't think this was a conicidence. I'm sure Palps knew about the vision of Padme dying, even if he didn't plant it, so he knew Anakin would jump at any solution to his vision. Take that plus his growing distrust of the Jedi, and you've got a Sith Lord-in-training right there.
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nob01 Oil Bath Bubbles
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date Posted: Oct 17, 2007 10:02 AM
I'm ashamed to say I never thought of that - Palps planting the vision? But of course - it all makes sense now!
As for watching the movies in pan and scan and non-HD - I've taken it a stage further and become addicted to watching the movies when they are run on HBOL, in Spanish.
I don't speak Spanish - but I have a feeling I'm going to become a bilingual nerd if I keep this up.
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tooclonecrazy You will never find a more wretched hive of nerds and geekery.
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date Posted: Oct 17, 2007 11:50 AM
You have a Star Wars shop near you? Where do you live? I need to move there!
I don't think there was a way for Palpy to control Tuskens. That was probably just luck he used to his advantage. Course Qui-Gom said, "Nothing happens on accident." Hmm.
It's possible that after Palpatine saw how angered Ani was after losing his mother, he decided to toy with his mind about Padmé. Ani was easily thrown into rage and hatred for the Tuskens, so with Padmé in danger, he would completely loose it. And he did. He just more time for the anger and hate to swell up inside of him with Padmé.
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MomOf2YoungPadawan Mamadala's Lair
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date Posted: Oct 17, 2007 12:02 PM
Love it, love it, love it!
Oh, how I wish I has a SW shop nearby!! Well, on second thought, perhaps that's a bad idea, since all my money would probably be spent there!  !
As for your ponderings, it perplexes me as well! Actually, one of my very first blog entries was very close to what you are getting at here (sorry, shameless blug  ), and I've never quite come to a concise conclusion in my own mind.
As far as Paly goes, I think he may have had a hand in things, but I don't think necessarily to the extent of full control. I dunno - I have a problem with thinking that he would. It takes the whole "free will" of Anakin out of things for me...!
Great entry! 
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darthgrievious93 Hey, Ho, Let's Go!
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date Posted: Oct 17, 2007 12:11 PM
Great question.
I think that Palps did plant the vision of Padme and his mom to turn him even further.
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jedilily1026 Years Matter Not (Gone Crazy...Be Back Soon)
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date Posted: Oct 17, 2007 1:22 PM
Was it Palpatine who planted (in Anakin) the vision of Padmé dying (thus intentionally precipitating her death)?
It's a hard call. Maybe Palpy planted the dream inasmuch as he said he could save Anakin's wife from certain death in ROTS when Anakin found out "he" was the Sith Lord. How could Palpy have known about Anakin's dreams???
Then again a strong Jedi could mind trick weak minded persons...even tho Anakin didn't seem weak minded...maybe it is that Palpy was sooooo strong with the Dark Side. Palpy said he knew what was troubling Anakin.
It's just too hard to tell in my opinion.
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Granny-Wan I Am NOT an Old Fossil!
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date Posted: Oct 17, 2007 1:25 PM
You live in a SW wonderland! I wish I had a local SW shop!
Me too, me too!!!!!
Obi-Wan was there when the babies were born, the dream might not have been literal...
I think Palpy planted both dreams. And Anakin, in his arrogance, assumed they were true and that only he could save Padme... he was so easily manipulated that Palpy could have put anything into his mind...
I also think that by acting on it, he caused it....
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Jade Sabre777 A luminous being, I am...
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date Posted: Oct 17, 2007 1:46 PM
You know, I've thought about this a lot - including just the other day! I don't have much to add - all the previous commenters have already added so many great thoughts - except my own opinion. I definitely think it's possible that Palpy planted both dreams, though slightly more likely that he planted the Padme one than the Shmi one. I mean really, if you truly have the power to "cheat death," one would really think you would also have the power to produce Force visions. I'm not positive that Palpy did cause the dreams, but I do believe it's very possible.
You'd almost think some force beyond my control is at play here.
"There's no mystical energy field controls my iTunes library!" 
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padmeskywalker77 Padme's Legacy
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date Posted: Oct 17, 2007 3:11 PM
Ooooo...what a great discussion to wake one's brain
I have also thought about this for quite some time, and keep going back and forth between thinking that Palps had a role in Anakin's dreams/visions and not having a role...always changing my thoughts are  It would make sense that he did play a role, since he knew about the visions. However, on the other hand, if Palps had built up this trust with Anakin, he surely could figure out what was bothering him. Hmmmmm...much to consider here.
Now I will be thinking about this all night at work  Thanks for getting my brain working this evening
Great entry, my friend
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GalacticBabe I Have a Bad Feeling About This!
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date Posted: Oct 17, 2007 3:38 PM
"Was it Palpatine who planted (in Anakin) the vision of Padmé dying (thus intentionally precipitating her death)? Or did Anakin's dream happen naturally, the way they come to all Jedi?" I've thought a lot about those dreams, and never once did I consider that Palpatine was responsible for planting them!
Wow, I'm going to have to really think about that!
And of course, it's only natural to watch the movies on TV. I always get that little flutter when I'm channel surfing and happen upon one of our movies!
Love it!
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JediPug1 Like My Father Before Me
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date Posted: Oct 17, 2007 4:33 PM
I was at our local Star Wars shop (every town has one, right?)
I wish!
Interesting, the thought of Palpatine planting the dream.... hmmmmm.... I suppose I just always figured that Palps could 'read" Anakin, so that's how he knew about the dream. Now I've got something new to ponder.... wouldn't put it past Palpy, that's for sure.
BTW, I always watch SW when I catch it on TV. And my father bought me my HDTV for the same reason you got yours.... To watch SW as it was intended!  To be honest, I actually feel kinda guilty if pass by SW on TV.... silly, huh?
Cool entry!
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leia19886 Some One get this big walking carpet out of my way
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date Posted: Oct 17, 2007 6:15 PM
I've always thaught Palpatine planted both dreams in Anakin's mind.
Mabey literally mabey not, but he definatly did nothing do dispute the ideas either.
As for Palpatine "kidnapping" Shmi == Yep I totally believe he had everything to do with it!!
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JediMelindaWolf Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.
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date Posted: Oct 17, 2007 7:48 PM
I love listening to SW music, especially while on the computer!
A dose of inspiration, wouldn't you say?
I think he somehow controled the Tusken Raiders...
Intriguing, f4y. Now, that's a thought I have not heard before.
this could go on all day
That wouldn't be so bad.
Really both explanations work
I think it's so cool how we can see both sides of an issue, even though our personal opinion might lean in one direction.
(How could Anakin survive without BOTH of these loves in his life?)
Look how that turned out!
That's so cool how your day worked out like that.

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JediMelindaWolf Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.
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date Posted: Oct 17, 2007 7:54 PM
You live in a SW wonderland!
I really do! It's a great shop!  Wish you all could see it!!!
Though I like Stooge's comment...
He has a way of bringing us to his way of thinking, doesn't he?  Maybe it's his disarming jokes. . .
I go back and forth about Palpy planting the vision.
The Pit & The Pendulum just leapt to mind. I do not know why.
I wish I had the movie handy now!
Not in your hip pocket, e&hf5? I'm surprised! 
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JediMelindaWolf Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.
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date Posted: Oct 17, 2007 8:00 PM
I'm going to become a bilingual nerd...
 Oh, but what a way to become bilingual!
I need to move there!
There's always room for one more! The more the merrier!!
since all my money would probably be spent there!
It's the one down side to having the shop so close by! 
(I see you signed in as yourself this time!  )
...to turn him even further.
Quite the mastermind he was.
It's just too hard to tell
And that's what makes the question so intriguing, don't you agree jl? 
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JediMelindaWolf Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.
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date Posted: Oct 17, 2007 8:11 PM
get that little flutter when I'm channel surfing and happen upon one of our movies
Even though I might be disappointed when one isn't in widescreen, I still watch it. Doesn't matter where I come in, I get that rush and feel that thrill. It's Star Wars!!!
my father bought me my HDTV for the same reason
What a kind dad, jp!
As for Palpatine "kidnapping" Shmi == Yep I totally believe he had everything to do with it!!
Wow! I really didn't know so many thought this was a real possibility!
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amidalooine The Emotional Galaxy
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date Posted: Oct 18, 2007 5:29 PM
Geez, JMW. I had to go all the way to LA to go to a SW shop!
I believe that Palpy had something to do with Anakin's dreams, but I just don't know exactly what. Doesn't Anakin say soemwhere that Jedi aren't even supposed to dream? It bugs me that Obi-wan, aware of Anakin's dreams (about his mother) doesn't say to his dear friend, "Anakin, we've got to figure out why you're having these troubling dreams..."
More ways that Obi-wan fails Anakin.
...ami waits for the onslaught from the LILWO's...
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DJ Maul: Got Feet? DJ Maul's Dancin' Cantina Party
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date Posted: Oct 20, 2007 10:58 AM
great blog!
Its a very TOUGH call. I feel its VERY possible that Palpy did indeed plant the vision, but if he did NOT he certainly knew about it and worked Anakins fears on it well enough.
Palpatine was a master manipulater, Force or No Force, thats for sure.
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Fish1941
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date Posted: Oct 22, 2007 8:14 AM
I don't think so. I think that many fans have developed a habit of giving Palpatine too much credit for the galaxy's downfall. They have come to believe that he was able to control everything. I also suspect that many fans prefer to accept this than the possibility that he had simply taken advantage of the flaws of the Jedi, Anakin and the Republic at large. I believe that Anakin's dreams were his own. I also believe that everyone was responsible for their own downfalls and the Republic's decline, and not just Palpys.
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