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Vicomte's Blog Extravaganza (Now Defunct)
date posted: Jun 12, 2006 12:17 PM
Sexuality in Firefly
What is Firefly?




People have varying reactions to varying degrees of sexuality. Some prefer not to speak of it, others embrace a larger view, not just the narrow, dogmatic views of the conservatives. Firefly has enough sexuality to satiate our more amorous fellows, while keeping everything tasteful and purposeful, enough so that our conservative friends can still enjoy the show, even with their mothers watching.

The 'Verse has an interesting idea of sexuality, and holds it in high regard, as demonstrated by Companions or, for the heretics present, space-whores. Companions are trained to be exactly that, companions. They are perfect in every way, masters at seduction, intrigue, sword fighting, and they know how to give a guy a good time. Companions are trained in a formal academy, located on the planet Sihnon, home of the Companion's Guild. Girls and boys are accepted at young ages and trained until they reach adulthood, not unlike our familiar Jedi. Like Jedi, Companions perform a valuable service, and are discouraged from attachment. Jedi know the ways of the Force, Companions try to feel the energy of a person, or, as Cap'n Mal would put it, their wallet, it has a kind of, aura, about it. Of course, unlike Jedi, Companions charge for their services, and they don't come cheap.

Serenity has her very own Companion, Inara Serra. Mal finds that having a Companion on board opens certain doors that would otherwise be closed to him, plenty of planets won't even let you land without a decent Companion on board. Inara occupies a shuttle, where she entertains all kinds o' fancy folk, men and women. You could ask Jayne, but he's in his bunk. It's important to remember that Companions are very important people, at the top of society, respectable. As for the poor, don't think a one of 'em ever seen a bona fide Companion before, and they're likely not to. Inara also has feelings for Mal, and he for her, but they won't be talkin' 'bout that anytime soon.

What about the Big Damn Heroes?

Mal and Inara have an unspoken attraction for each other, why they refuse to act on it, I'm not sure why, but it's there, as demonstrated in certain episodes, at times more clearly than others. Nobody's taken hold of his plow for a while, mostly because he knows that kissin' girls makes folk sleepy. Zoe is married to Wash, and hopes to have a child with him one day. As for Wash, "Everybody not talking about sex, in here. Everyone else, out there." Jayne knows what he likes. Simon is a bit in cryo himself, Book is a preacher, River is crazy, and Kaylee is, boy-crazy, I think the kind term for it is.

I have heard, on occasion that some people didn't like certain sexual aspects of Firefly and Serenity, perhaps that some of it was unnecessary. This is not true. Most complaints are about one of two topics, either that some of the sexuality with Kaylee wasn't needed, or even that the sexuality altogether wasn't needed. As far as Kaylee goes, it's part of who she is, and it's certainly not thrown around in abundance. Mostly I hear this one relating to the movie, Serenity, in which Kaylee utters a certain line, which is quite funny, I might add. If you can't handle ten seconds of sexual humor, I might have to inquire as to where you keep your sense of humor, 'cause I want it, you're obviously not using it. I have also been told that some people feel that there is too much sexuality in Firefly, which is simply ridiculous. Firefly is supposed to be the real story of real people, not the movers and shakers, not the heroes, not the Chosen One, just folk doin' what folk do, and sometimes, in life, sex comes up. How far does it go? A space hooker, and one episode with a whorehouse. It's a western, after all.

No matter whom you are, or what you believe in, you can still enjoy Firefly. If you don't, there's a good chance Reavers will get you. Rape you to death, eat your flesh, and sew your skin into their clothing. Never said it was pretty.

  Wampa_Jedi
Jedi Wampa's Playhouse
date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 12:28 PM
Rape you to death, eat your flesh, and sew your skin into their clothing.

...and if you're REALLY lucky, they'll do it in that order...

I think the sexuality and relationship issues are well-handled. Firefly, obviously, is a LITTLE bit lighter than Serenity, as it was on television (though it WAS FOX television). The line of Kaylee's in Serenity is second only to Jane's response-line to her..."I could hear a bit more"

  EvilDarthBear
The Grand Admiral's Club
date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 12:44 PM
>not just the narrow, dogmatic views of the conservatives.

That's where I fit in......;)
  Kenobi-fan
The Jundland Wastes Journal
date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 1:05 PM
I found Kaylee's attitude towards sex exceptionally refreshing, for television and for life. Not to discard Inara's role in society, Kaylee felt what she felt and that was it. She represented a normal functioning human being as I would like to think of one. To that end, I never felt she was 'offering her services' to the first guy that came along despite Serenity's extended runs in space...(con't)
  Kenobi-fan
The Jundland Wastes Journal
date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 1:06 PM
....She wanted to have good time - that's it: no philosophical pondering, no guilt, and no hang-ups. Sex is a part of life and she wasn't going to neglect that part. How she came to be on Mal's ship is a great bit of Firefly lore. I have to believe the crew joked about this one a lot (at the previous mechanic's expense, not Kaylee's)...I mean, who really got 'screwed' there...ha! (Can I say that?) :8}
Darth Rex0
So be it....
date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 1:12 PM
Sexuality in Firefly

Comment hunting again Vic? Sure, mention sex and watch the comments fill up. Way to use your "featured" status as the hook...

:p
ewanandhaydenfan5
I Have You Now!
date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 1:13 PM
Best lines, hands down...in the episode "Heart of Gold":

Jayne:
I don't know these
folks. Don't much care to.

Mal:
They're whores.

Jayne
I'm in.


  luuke.skywalker
date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 1:18 PM
:|

just folk doin' what folk do, and sometimes, in life, sex comes up.

What!? No it doesn't!


No, wait, yes it does.

I'll be in my bunk.
  Sol Kassar
Ramblings from the Detention Center (Startled)
date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 1:26 PM
Not one single offensive sentence? No double entendres? Well played. ;)
  independentjac
"How long can any man fight the darkness, before he finds it in himselft?"
date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 1:30 PM
are there no firefly blogs?
  DarthVicomte
Vicomte's Blog Extravaganza (Now Defunct)
date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 1:33 PM
(at the previous mechanic's expense, not Kaylee's)

The best part is when she pulls out the part (Secondary Gravboot, perhaps?) and Bester says, "Don't we need this?" Ah, funny stuff...

(Can I say that?)

*Looks around, pauses, looks again* Yup.;)

Comment hunting again Vic? Sure, mention sex and watch the comments fill up. Way to use your "featured" status as the hook...

More like preaching, really...
Senator Soph-ia
Updates from the Senate Floor
date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 1:35 PM
Vicomte -

Been waiting for the next Firefly blog! I see you're going for quality (not quantity). I like it. It's very Vicomt-ish.


Mostly I hear this one relating to the movie, Serenity, in which Kaylee utters a certain line, which is quite funny, I might add.

I remember that line. It was hysterical. I did a serious LOL. People were offended? What a shame!
  DarthVicomte
Vicomte's Blog Extravaganza (Now Defunct)
date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 1:35 PM
Not one single offensive sentence? No double entendres? Well played.

Well, even if there were some, it's cool. We've got guys on the inside now.;)

are there no firefly blogs?

Plenty, I just wrote one.:p
  Sol Kassar
Ramblings from the Detention Center (Startled)
date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 1:37 PM
Well, even if there were some, it's cool. We've got guys on the inside now.

Indeed. There'll be no one to stop us this time.
hansgirl3
Invoking the Squee
date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 1:39 PM
Most complaints are about one of two topics, either that some of the sexuality with Kaylee wasn't needed, or even that the sexuality altogether wasn't needed.

Kaylee was real! She didn't just want "a good time"; she wanted to find someone to love, someone to hold, and someone that would hold her back. Simon might have done that if he didn't have a stick up his a**. (sorry) He ticked me off sometimes. If I could change one thing in the series, it would be that they would have actually formed a relationship during it. *sigh*
  Bravo 225
"Nice Skirt, Hand Washable?" - "Its a Kama!"
date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 1:41 PM
Comment hunting again Vic? Sure, mention sex and watch the comments fill up. Way to use your "featured" status as the hook...

Well, I, for one, am not going to contribute! I still think that Firefly would have been better without sexuality!

I WILL NOT CONTRIBUTE!

Oops, I just did...:8}
  leialookalike1
date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 1:58 PM
Only you would be so bold.:8}
  Kenobi-fan
The Jundland Wastes Journal
date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 2:01 PM
She didn't just want "a good time"; she wanted to find someone to love, someone to hold...
I meant this in the most respectful manner, though it makes you wonder what her aim was in hookin' up with Bester. Not much going on there but looks from what I could tell; besides there didn't seem to be much love lost after he was given 'the boot'. She appeared to move on rather quickly.
hansgirl3
Invoking the Squee
date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 2:09 PM
I meant this in the most respectful manner, though it makes you wonder what her aim was in hookin' up with Bester

I know, K-fan. I really meant in the long run. I don't know what was going on either in that case, but sometimes "things happen". Maybe she wasn't happy with that one?

I just don't think she was interested in "one-night stand" type things is really what I was getting at.
  EvilDarthBear
The Grand Admiral's Club
date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 2:12 PM
It's awful, it's just another show on TV telling kids it's perfectly natural to sleep around, "it's all good!"...."You can be cool like this!". I have gotten sick and tired of immorality and infidelity being glamourized, it only leads to more break-ups and divorce, and the ones who suffer the most are the kids, kids that live in a single parent home have more problems then kids that grow up in a traditional home.

I couldn't resist........;)
  Kenobi-fan
The Jundland Wastes Journal
date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 2:15 PM
I just don't think she was interested in "one-night stand" type things is really what I was getting at.
I don't either, though I don't think she was above them. Having said that, I'm more than sure she was really looking for someone to spend the rest of her life with (someon like Simon).
  EvilDarthBear
The Grand Admiral's Club
date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 2:18 PM
Ah man.....They did kick you off the front page...That's too bad. :(
hansgirl3
Invoking the Squee
date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 2:21 PM
I don't either, though I don't think she was above them. Having said that, I'm more than sure she was really looking for someone to spend the rest of her life with (someon like Simon).

Agreed!! :) But he sure was takin' his time!!!! ;
  DarthVicomte
Vicomte's Blog Extravaganza (Now Defunct)
date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 2:31 PM
Been waiting for the next Firefly blog! I see you're going for quality (not quantity). I like it. It's very Vicomt-ish.

I wasn't too proud of this one, it was written rather, on the fly, as it were.

I should probably mention, try to keep the comments spoiler free unless I state otherwise.

I'm looking at you, Hansgirl.;)

Well, I, for one, am not going to contribute! I still think that Firefly would have been better without sexuality!

Yes! No more sex! Ever!
  DarthVicomte
Vicomte's Blog Extravaganza (Now Defunct)
date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 2:36 PM
Sorry Rive, you went all 'Spoiler Boy' on me for a second.;)

About Kaylee, she definitely was a fan of the one night stand, at least until Simon came around, there was obviously something deeper happening there. Bester, the fourteen-year-old, almost Tracey, the list goes on...
hansgirl3
Invoking the Squee
date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 2:37 PM
I'm looking at you, Hansgirl.

Oh, sorry... :( I'll be careful... :8}

You've made a convert out of me and I get all excited!!! :D

on the fly, as it were.

Punny!

BTW, I love how the ship's butt light's up like a firefly! That's one of my favorite things!! :)
jkthunder
Seven Pieces
date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 2:45 PM
and they don't come cheap

Biting my lip:O :8}

I always identified with Kaylee - not the sex-crazed part, but her overall openness about what interests her, her curiosity. She just doesn't hide much.

Don't look down, don't look down.
The Stooge
Star Wars Joke-A-Day
date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 3:00 PM
WTF?

Well, you're still Featured Commentator of the Day, at least. They can't take the sky from you...
  DarthVicomte
Vicomte's Blog Extravaganza (Now Defunct)
date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 4:15 PM
Biting my lip

It's okay, we've got connections, remember?

You've made a convert out of me and I get all excited!!!

That's the plan.

WTF?

I must have angered the powers that be, hell, I'll just sit here and hope I don't get struck by lightning.
  Marvolo7
Marvolo's Misanthropic Musings
date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 4:49 PM
I was very impressed with the way in which science fiction shows like Firefly and Battlestar Galactica handle sexuality. For one thing, it's not the MTV sort of sexuality, and it's not a ploy to sell the show. Vicomte, you make an excellent point: the characters of Firefly are real people. Sexuality is a part of real life, and there is sure to be a bit of sexual tension and shipboard romance when nine people are living together aboard a spaceship. And in real life, there is the occasional remark about "taking hold of the plow," or however you want to put it.
  Marvolo7
Marvolo's Misanthropic Musings
date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 4:50 PM
Inara's chosen occupation creates an interesting dynamic and some great conflicts on the show. Any exchange between Mal and Inara comes to mind. And besides, Book is always there to speak for the conservatives and let the crew know that they're a bunch of sinners.
  NecRomance
date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 5:56 PM
Finally, a series/movie that's realistic about those things. Nice entry; congrats on being Featured (again).

Which reminds me: I still need to get my hands on Serenity. Quickly. It's almost that day. I'd better hurry.
The Stooge
Star Wars Joke-A-Day
date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 6:03 PM
Dear Darth Vicomte,

At a recent family reunion, my cousin told me that everyone knows my father is a drunk. While I appreciate his candor, I was also very hurt by this.

Here's my question: when Serenity Day (tm) comes around, can I just order it off Amazon? Or do I have to trudge over to a store?

Thanks,
Insulted in Idaho
  Diviner525
In the Flesh
date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 6:08 PM
Mal ~ "I can't know that!"
Jayne ~ "I could stand to hear a little more."

Great movie that Serenity.
hansgirl3
Invoking the Squee
date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 6:13 PM
Inara's chosen occupation creates an interesting dynamic and some great conflicts on the show.

There was one episode, though, which concerned a guest that Inara brought on board (that's all I'm gonna say 'cause I can't do spoilers :p) that contained some surprising scenes, I must say, for TV. I would imagine those who've seen it know what I mean.

That one almost crossed the line. In some people's opinion, it probably did cross the line, but meh...

Good point, Marvolo, Inara's character definitely caused a tremendous dynamic in many ways on the show, especially where Mal was concerned.
Jedi Master Mina
Another Galaxy, another time
date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 10:00 PM
There was one episode...which concerned a guest that Inara brought on board...

And, I believe, the line in that episode went something like this...

INARA: "I gave the boy a free thrust, since he's not long for this world."

Gotta love the sex, I tells ya. ;)
  DarthVicomte
Vicomte's Blog Extravaganza (Now Defunct)
date Posted: Jun 13, 2006 11:40 AM
Which reminds me: I still need to get my hands on Serenity. Quickly. It's almost that day. I'd better hurry.

You must buy it on that day, that's the whole point.

when Serenity Day (tm) comes around, can I just order it off Amazon? Or do I have to trudge over to a store?

Amazon is fine, they currently have Serenity priced at about 12 dollars, so you could even buy two.:O

That one almost crossed the line. In some people's opinion, it probably did cross the line, but meh...

The Counselor? It's Inara's job, she's just payin' the bills.;)
  Rive Caedo
Rive's Uncharted Settlements
date Posted: Jun 13, 2006 1:58 PM
Sorry Rive, you went all 'Spoiler Boy' on me for a second.

What? I did? I don't even remember what I said! :p

Hm... I'll take your word for it, sorry. :)
  Bai Ahzur
Bai Ahzur's usless, but hopefully entertaining, yet somewhat eneventful, however rewarding, blog.
date Posted: Jun 14, 2006 12:03 AM
You're going to a "special hell" for this one Vicomte.

Warning. Firefly may contain graphic scenes of funniness. No discression os advised.
Darthcharlie32
The Cantina at the End of the Universe!
date Posted: Jun 14, 2006 5:17 AM
when Serenity Day (tm) comes around, can I just order it off Amazon? Or do I have to trudge over to a store?

Amazon is fine, they currently have Serenity priced at about 12 dollars, so you could even buy two.



oops :O, Sorry Vicomte, I went and got Serenity about a Few days ago, I did say Shiny about Fifteen billion times after that though, There will be a Serenity Day blog!

I just couldnt stand it! You know how hard it is to find a copy of Widescreen around here?

"Its Getting Very Crowded!"
  NecRomance
date Posted: Jun 14, 2006 9:31 AM
You must buy it on that day, that's the whole point.

Okay then. My entry will be later during the day, then.

Once more the Firefly will rule the galaxy! And we shall have more episodes... :D
  Sgt. Doallyn
Crazy Ideas of a Geranian Animal Handler (Defunct)
date Posted: Jun 15, 2006 1:57 PM
I don't watch or understand Firefly, and I do not understand why Vicomte likes it better than Star Wars.
  Michelle1968
M68- Star Wars Kid at Heart
date Posted: Jun 15, 2006 8:51 PM
You can't have sex without serenity and you can't have serenity without sex. :)

Oh, you're talking about the movie! :^O
  Sgt. Doallyn
Crazy Ideas of a Geranian Animal Handler (Defunct)
date Posted: Jun 16, 2006 4:17 AM
About your lim'rick, Vicomte, how can a book be a monk? Is it a book about monks? And how can you work out with a bok about monks? Is is a big book about monks? And your limerick is also inapropriate.
  cbern
Omega Squad's 5th member
date Posted: Jun 24, 2006 5:33 PM
so, are you saying that since it is now the 24th i shouldn't get it?

i will probably rent serenity, i'll have to see
another thing

serentiy and firefly are on dvd? or just one? i am very confused here

and there is not any actual r rated scene in serenity is there?
  Zelaskowski
date Posted: Jul 17, 2006 10:29 PM
Way past time to comment... I bought your movie, on YOUR day, but I haven't watched it yet. I will, but by the time I do, all the Serenity blogs will be over and I wont be able to dazzle anyone with my insighfulness!:( (that's the melting Yoda, in case you didn't know) BTW That's a fantasy of mine, not reality. (the insightfulness part!)
The Stooge
Star Wars Joke-A-Day
date Posted: Aug 02, 2006 10:06 AM
I'm just getting caught up on all these entries, finally reading them without fear of spoilers. Good writing style on this one -- very enjoyable now that I get it! :D
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