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There Is No Conflict
by: jkelly
date posted: Jun 26, 2007 4:45 PM
JKelly Will Now Show You the True Nature of Power
So, I got to thinking about power the other day. I had even "written" down a few notes on the subject on my running notes on my laptop when I crashed the hard drive. I refuse to put it into the passive voice: "My hard drive crashed" -- because I'm sure I'm somehow at least partially responsible (no dirty jokes, please). I've been using this laptop for over 3 years, so I must've done something, right?

Being on the phone at all hours of the night with someone on the sub-continent trying to diagnose the problem and then, later, with one of his comrades re-loading something led me to a realization. That you can't really make someone do something. All you can do is attempt to influence them. Being nice, prodding, gentle shoves and torture are but a few of the ways you can attempt to influence someone. Some work better in certain situations than others.

In the end, though, you cannot really force someone to do what you want him/her to do. Padme realizes this on some sort of subconscious level when Anakin tells her that his plan is to make people be nice during those horrible "love story" scenes on Naboo in EpII. She says something like, "It doesn't work that way" more out of concern than insight. She knows there's something wrong with the statement, but she can't put her finger on it.

Anakin, though, does not really listen to anyone else. At Bespin, when he's got Luke cornered he figures Luke's only escape is to join him, but Luke leaps to almost-certain doom.

Palps also buys into this theory. He figures when Luke doesn't turn to the Dark Side, he can just zap Luke into submission and/or kill him.

Twice then, Luke makes the difficult choice. He quite literally puts his principles before his own life. Luke has the choice to violate his moral compass and chooses not to. Both times it worked.

Power, then, is the ability to influence someone to do something; it is not the power to make someone do something. As demonstrated above, the other person always has the choice not to comply.

"If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."

I started to talk about this in a previous entry, but the power that Obi-Wan obtained was the power to influence. Moreover, the "power" is given to you by those that you influence. Think about that sentence for a minute or two.

The power you have is given to you by those over whom you exert the power.

How do you get there? You can use financial duress; for example, your boss pays you so you do what he says. The more he pays you, the more you do and the more power he has. There is emotional sway in the way that you assist your loved ones because they are your loved ones. Teaching is a powerful form of influence. I'm sure there are hundreds of examples.

Not only did Luke gain a pocket Jedi Master to train him, Luke gained a hero/martyr figure and a role model that led by example. Didn't Luke do for Anakin much the same thing that Obi-Wan did for Luke?

"Darth Vader shall become more powerful than either of us."

Did Palps believe that when he said it? Who knows. It's clear, though, that he equates power with the ability to use (manipulate? utilize?) the Force. Palps' arrogance had already began blinding him in EpIII. He rose to the position of Emperor due to his political dealings and use of the Force -- but I daresay his political manueverings had a great deal to do with it. Upon gaining a position of power, he forgot what got him there. He began to look at the brute strength (I'm equating a high midichlorian count to big muscles) of Anakin as power.

This is where the "Rule of 2" is symbolic of the entire problem. Go here for a discussion of the lack of freedom it creates. It is not the problem, it exemplifies and symbolizes the problem.

The acquisition of power becomes about killing the other -- the ultimate use of force in the attempt to impose one's will. What happens, though, when you're in charge? Someone else is trying to kill you. Power is like wealth in that the more you have, the more risk averse you become. So, now you've got to watch your back to keep your power and your life. Then, when you start throwing your weight around too much, rebellions spring up. By rising to this position of power, we can no longer use your power for fear of losing it.

I guess you can kill your apprentice, but that's not part of the rule and it doesn't really help you with the Alliance.

"The more you tighten your grip ... the more star systems will slip through your fingers."

That's why governments fail -- they stop listening. The guys in charge just do what they want to do without listening. When they get to their wits' end, they just stop or rebel. It's just a vicious cycle for the guy(s) in power.

After I sat down and thought about power in this manner, this finally made a ton of sense:

"Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the land."

  amidalooine
The Emotional Galaxy
date Posted: Jun 26, 2007 6:32 PM
So you're equating meekness with power, too? The more meek one is, the more likely he is to inherit the (Earth). It's still selfish then, still a form of manipulation, to be meek. The more meek I am, the more likely I am to inherit the Earth...the more power I'll have.

Everyone, then, seeks power in some way, shape, or form, if they are conscious of their actions...if they're pereceptive enough to be aware of their own behavior.

Maybe the Jedi were all selfish, manipulative beings, not humble for the sake of humility or righteous for the sake of doing good, but all done for the sake of being the best, being on top...having the most power.

Think on this more, I will...
  leia19886
Someone get this big walking carpet out of my way ...
date Posted: Jun 26, 2007 7:36 PM
Luke gained a hero/marter figure and role modle that lead by example.
Didn't Luke do for Anakin much the same thing that Obi-Wan did for Luke?

Yes. I think when Luke fell down the shaft on Bespin, he began to show Anakin the
power of Love. Luke didn't know how to deal with Vader being his father at this point.
Luke did have a love/respect for Obi-Wan. Luke knew in his heart that if Anakin would just let go of his hatered and embrace being Anakin Skywalker again that they would both be ok.
Anakin embraced this on the Death Star when Palps was killing Luke.
Anakin embraced his love for his son rather than watch him die.

Thaught povoking entry here. Leia
The Stooge
Star Wars Joke-A-Day
date Posted: Jun 26, 2007 8:38 PM
the power that Obi-Wan obtained was the power to influence.

I thought it was the power to go into the women's locker room undetected...
  jkelly
There Is No Conflict
date Posted: Jun 26, 2007 8:53 PM
It's still selfish then, still a form of manipulation, to be meek

No, then you're just putting up a false front and you're not being meek -- so it doesn't count.

when Luke fell down the shaft on Bespin, he began to show Anakin the
power of Love.


It's a paradigm shift in the way we tell stories. For more, go here.

I thought it was the power to go into the women's locker room undetected...

There's at least 2 things wrong with that statement: he's dead and he's a Jedi.
  leia19886
Someone get this big walking carpet out of my way ...
date Posted: Jun 26, 2007 9:09 PM
So basicly what we're trying to say is that: The son becomes the Father, the Father the son.



Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth -- is it because the meek know how
to be humble? They don't need worldly things. They just need what the earth give them to survive.
  jkelly
There Is No Conflict
date Posted: Jun 26, 2007 9:19 PM
is it because the meek know how
to be humble?


Maybe ... it's hard to verbalize. It's really something to ponder.

The son becomes the Father, the Father the son.

No. That we need to place more valie on kids
  jkthunder
Seven Pieces
date Posted: Jun 26, 2007 10:09 PM
The higher you rise, the further you fall :)
  Diviner525
In the Flesh
date Posted: Jun 26, 2007 10:13 PM
Wonderful blog, I enjoyed reading this. Like a breath of fresh air it was, and it renewed a thought I've had rattling around amongst my few brain cells.

Leia is actually the most powerful of all.

All those around her battle each other and fall away, but at the same time when the moment is right she's able to take matters into her own hands (i.e. strangling Jabba). She consistently waits patiently for the proper moment, and in the end everything works out very well for her. She has that influence over others to work towards her cause, and she does so with a very cunning and deft touch.

Leia is the true hero of Star Wars.
  Kenobi-fan
The Jundland Wastes Journal
date Posted: Jun 27, 2007 11:28 AM
The power you have is given to you by those over whom you exert the power.
Great Blog, jkelly!

That's why governments fail -- they stop listening.
If governments are made up of the governed, then I suppose it can be said governments have stopped listening to themselves. And if you can't even be clear about what you want, how can you be clear about anything - ever. Disaster is the only result.

"Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the land."
Humility is a trait no longer understood or valued in the world at large.
And without humility, there can be no real respect, or reason, or understanding of the world around you. :(
  jkelly
There Is No Conflict
date Posted: Jun 27, 2007 11:52 PM
A little more here, too.
If anyone's interested.

Leia is actually the most powerful of all.

Perhaps, but those Amidalas really had a thing for guys with big midichlorian counts. Who knows what would've happened if Anakin had put the suave moves on her instead of the mind probe thingy.

Humility is a trait no longer understood or valued in the world at large.

I don't think "humility" is quite the right word. I'm not sure why, though. I'll get back to you on this one.
  Kenobi-fan
The Jundland Wastes Journal
date Posted: Jul 09, 2007 8:32 PM
I'll get back to you on this one.
I suppose I'll get my answer around the same time I publish my blog entry winners...ha!
Take it easy, jkelly!
  jkelly
There Is No Conflict
date Posted: Jul 09, 2007 10:27 PM
I suppose I'll get my answer around the same time I publish my blog entry winners

I think humility has more to do with not being boastful -- a trait or a quality.

Here, when I'm talking about "meekness" it is more of a state of being or an emanation.

Where's the blog challenge?
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