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There Is No Conflict
by: jkelly
date posted: Dec 08, 2007 3:00 PM
Crime and Punishment
Here on Earth, sociologists tell us that there are essentially 4 purposes for our criminal justice system. These take on varying degrees of popularity from time to time, but these 4 -- to some degree or another -- are always present. There's no real deep analysis here. I'm just looking at how our favorite characters disply each rationale. Maybe it's a sounding board for you guys, because I just don't feel like thinking too hard right now.

They are:

1. Punishment
2. Retribution
3. Incapacitation
4. Reformation

"You're going to pay for all the Jedi you killed today, Dooku."

Well, I suppose we know Anakin's view on criminal justice. Here, he believes that his own form of vigilante justice is the proper way to punish the Sith Lord.

"It's only natural. He took your hand ..."

Palps seems to think that revenge is a dish best served cold. An eye for an eye ... or a head for a hand ... would seem to preserve social order.

"He's too dangerous to be left alive."

Palps and Windu think alike on this one.

"There is still good in him."

For you old-timers who actually read my old stuff, you'd know that a long time ago I equated Vader to Anakin's living prison. Deep stuff.

A little history on criminal justice is appropriate here. The first prison in America were essentially Puritan-run establishments where criminals were locked in a room with a Bible. These were also the first state-sponsored non-dungeon facilities in the world. Prisons as we know them today are relatively new concepts and were founded the idea of reformation.

Spiritual idealism clashing with real world practically threw this out the window in the seventies when inmates going through the revolving doors hit the streets and killed with very high recidivism rates.

Now, we're at the other end of the pendulum seeking incapacitation by puting 3-time dope smokers in prison for life. "Victim's Rights" legislation has also put some psychology into the thoughts of retribution, giving victims some closure.

Interesting stuff, but it's probably best left to late-night pontificating. I'm going to the Tavern.

Michelle1968
M68- Star Wars Kid at Heart
date Posted: Dec 08, 2007 9:15 PM
I'm going to the Tavern

*sigh* The Tavern. Mesa lost the bookmark to the Tavern. Waaaaa! :_|


Nice entry dear!
amidalooine
The Emotional Galaxy
date Posted: Dec 08, 2007 9:36 PM
I'm not sure I believe that reformation truly exists, not in the way the Criminal Justice system means it to, anyway. But I have to think way too hard to articulate this right now. I've already been to the Tavern tonight.
  Captain Peabody
date Posted: Dec 09, 2007 6:06 AM
Hmm.... I've always found that a very interesting topic, though I'm extremely wary of any attempt to move from a "retributive" to a strictly "rehabilative" mode of punishment.

But, whatever.... I'm too tired to debate right now...
Jade Sabre777
A luminous being, I am...
date Posted: Dec 09, 2007 10:10 PM
Interesting....

The first prison in America were essentially Puritan-run establishments where criminals were locked in a room with a Bible.
Funny!

A) I think criminals have way to much stuff in prison. It's basically free housing, not a punishment like it's supposed to be.
B) I think we should try harder to convince criminals that what they do is wrong, and then try to help them to change their ways.
The Stooge
Star Wars Joke-A-Day (gone fishin')
date Posted: Dec 09, 2007 10:56 PM
I didn't know that. Or that. Or that.

It's an educational blog!
  Master Deireanach
date Posted: Dec 13, 2007 8:45 AM
Though I'm not one for stating criminals deserve all kinds of things in prison but they get things like tv's, computers etc so that they have things to do and so they won't go crazy and end up fighting each other more than they already do. Sure a tv is nice but when you've lost your freedom it's nothing. You can say all you want but when you've lost your freedom no amount of stuff is going to replace that.
  Master Deireanach
date Posted: Dec 13, 2007 8:49 AM
As for reformation, my best friend is a testament to it working. When we were in highschool he went on one of the biggest residential crime sprees in the history of the city. Broke in to many houses and business, stole over a half million in goods, sold drugs etc. After 2 years in jail and ten years being on the outside he has a government job, a wife (who also works for the gov't) a 4 yr old boy and a house. Doesn't even think about crime anymore
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