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 Let me be clear, I love all six of the Star Wars movies, and even though I grew up with the Original Trilogy, I've been able to completely appreciate the Prequel films. I guess of the PT, I would say that Revenge of The Sith is a runaway favorite there, but lately I've found myself watching The Phantom Menace more and more often.
Overall though, it's a no contest for me, ESB wins out somewhat easily as my favorite. Right from the start, it is one great scene after another with some of the best and most humorous dialogue of the entire saga.
I think this is by far Han Solo's best episode, from lines such as "Then I'll see you in hell!" to "No, no, no! This one goes there, that one goes there. Right!" to "Never tell me the odds" to the famous "Sorry sweetheart, haven't got time for anything else" ... well, the list of great Solo lines goes on and on. For some reason one of the funniest scenes to me is when Han thinks he's fixed the Falcon in the hangar bay on Hoth and tells Chewie to try it - and sparks fly and smoke rises up with Han yelling, "Turn it off! Turn it off!"
Oh man, that never fails to get me laughing. Never.
Because I've been there, done that. Well, not exactly repairing a starship, you understand, but in the similar fashion of thinking that I've got something repaired, the problem is solved, and I flip the switch - only to have the freaking thing go up in smoke, or the pipes leak, or worse yet, the thing just sits there and does nothing. I really hate that. So, it is good to see Han struggling, because I'm able to laugh right along with his pain.
Or how about the Battle of Hoth. Yes, those are some very cool scenes right there. The introduction of the AT-AT's and the choking of Admiral Ozzel and then the confident General Veers calmly telling Vader, "The shield will be down in moments, you may start your landing." Great stuff, for sure.
I swear there is no bad scene in this movie. I mean, c'mon, you've got Ugnaughts playing keep-away from Chewie with Threepio's head. That's got instant classic written all over it.
Yoda! The great Jedi Master is not what we expect, and the little green guy even has a sense of humor, "Aw cannot get your ship out. hehehe." In fact, there are so many revelations in Episode V it is fantastic. Yoda appears (or re-appears depending how you view things) on the scene, Luke begins his training to become a Jedi, Boba Fett tracks the Falcon, and of course the whopper of all Star Wars revelations, Darth Vader tells Luke Skywalker that he is Luke's father!
Whoa. Hold on.
Could that revelation have been averted? Did Luke really do the right thing by rushing off to Bespin in his vain attempt to rescue Han & Leia? This is the major question that I love about this movie. We know everything eventually turns out well in the end, so in that regard, yes, Luke did the right thing by rushing to help his friends. He follows his destiny.
I'm not sure that Han & Leia really need Luke to come rescue them. Han is frozen in carbonite anyways and then taken by Boba Fett. So Luke isn't much help there. Lando Calrissian realizes what a horrible mistake he's made by siding with the Empire and decides to right his wrong by helping Leia and Chewie escape. So I would argue that Luke never directly helps anyone escape the Cloud City, and point of fact, Leia ends up rescuing Luke. Perhaps we can say that by keeping Darth Vader occupied Luke does play some role in the Millenium Falcon's escape, but that seems a bit of a stretch to me.
Also, if Luke stays on Dagobah, it is possible (and likely) that he will be much better prepared to eventually face Darth Vader, and therefore be much better prepared to deal with the truth that Vader is in fact his father. It is implied that when they felt the time was right, Obi-wan and Yoda would have revealed the true identities of Luke's father and his sister. If this is revealed during Luke's training it allows for the chronolgy of Return of The Jedi to still play out with Luke rescuing Han Solo, speaking with Leia, and then confronting Darth Vader on Endor.
But what about when Luke faces Palpatine?
This is where I really believe that Luke made the right choice by trusting his instincts and his love for his friends and rushing to Bespin. In my opinion, it all pays off in the throne room of the Death Star. Luke has faith in his friends, and he knows they will do what they must do. He's been there before. I can see much of everything that occurs in the throne room happening very similarly whether Luke had rushed to Bespin or not, right up to the point where Darth Vader learns that Luke has a twin sister.
Luke's rage would be inevitable either way as well at that point, and I believe so would his eventual defeat of Vader in the lightsaber duel.
Then the moment arrives that makes me believe that Luke did the right thing. He stops to consider his mechanical hand, the tangible reminder of what he went thru. Remember, no good deed goes unpunished, the title of this entry is true. The wound Luke receives in Cloud City is what I believe enables him to stop his descent into those Dark Side emotions, and to see Vader for who he really is. Anakin Skywalker, his father. Without the wound, I really don't believe that Luke would have the strength of will to toss his lightsaber away in the face of Palpatine.
Fans often speculate that Luke should have kept his lightsaber, and tried to defend himself against the Sith lightning. No. I completely disagree with that notion.
Luke had to toss his lightsaber aside. He could not fight the Sith with anger and aggression, or any physical means for that matter, because he could not defeat them that way. Luke had to give himself over completely to the Force, and to his destiny.
Luke's destiny was to bring Anakin Skywalker back from the Dark Side, and I don't believe he would have had the strength to do that without the wounds he suffered on Bespin. He needed that defeat, where he gave himself over to his destiny by dropping off the conning tower into the abyss - he needed that experience. Because he was taking another leap of faith in that throne room by tossing his weapon aside.
The Force would guide his destiny.
That is why I can positively say that I believe Luke did the right thing by rushing to save his friends, because by doing so he not only saved them and himself, but it enabled him to save his father as well.
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hansgirl3 Invoking the Squee
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date Posted: Jul 19, 2006 6:40 PM
Oooo, D525, good job! This was well done!!
Great arguments for (and slightly against) his going to Bespin, but in the end, you're correct! He needed to go!
You're also right about ESB! Although ANH is the original and I say it's my fave, really ESB is (or more truly they tie for me)!
I love all of the scenes you mentioned and, of course, Han's lines!!  He's just so cool!
Great blog!!!
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Diviner525 In the Flesh
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date Posted: Jul 19, 2006 6:55 PM
hg3, you know, I never would have pegged you for a Han Solo fan.
Honestly, from ESB I could do an entire blog about his cool lines in the movie. There are so many.
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Jedi Arwen Skywalker
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date Posted: Jul 19, 2006 7:14 PM
I think you are right.
Another thing... I think if DV hadn't had that time after meeting Luke for the first time to dwell on their encounter and his son's choice, he wouldn't have saved Luke on the DS2. He needed to see his son, face to face, and then think over that meeting. To think through WHY luke was so broken up over the fact that DV was his father. To begin his return.
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Diviner525 In the Flesh
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date Posted: Jul 19, 2006 7:28 PM
Jedi Arwen Skywalker, that is such a great point.
I had only considered the consequences of going to Bespin from Luke's perpsective, but you are absolutely right - think of the influence it had when Vader saw that Luke was willing to leap off that tower in Bespin and give himself over to the Force, rather than join the Dark Side. Think of the emotion that must have invoked.
That may have taught DV what it really meant to believe in the Force.
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The Stooge Star Wars Joke-A-Day
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date Posted: Jul 19, 2006 7:40 PM
...reads...
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Right on! It all makes perfect sense. Good stuff!
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Diviner525 In the Flesh
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date Posted: Jul 19, 2006 8:09 PM
Cheers Stooge! It is good to see you around these parts again.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, it makes me happy that you can read and write.
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Michelle1968 M68- Star Wars Kid at Heart
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date Posted: Jul 19, 2006 8:22 PM
Oh.... D525, you out did yourself here, that was wonderful. Those kinds of entries fully captivate me and I'm oblivious to everything else going on in the house. Whew!
I totally agree with you on the hand injury thing. I feel that's how Luke identified with his father. He realized at that moment that Vader had been a true Jedi, fighting against evil, and that he (Luke) HAD to handle things differently than his father did in order to be successful, so he tossed the light saber and gave himself fully to the Force.
"I am a Jedi, like my father before me".
LOVE IT! AWESOME BLOG!
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Jedi Master Mina Jedi blogging, go back to your drinks!
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date Posted: Jul 19, 2006 8:29 PM
That may have taught DV what it really meant to believe in the Force.
Remember the scene where the Falcon is trying to escape away from Vader's starship. It is during that scene that we, the viewers, begin to see the return of Anakin. Vader mentally calls out to "Luke" through the Force...He reaches out by calling him by his first name "Luke" and than the second time calling him "son". As the Falcon flys away, we see Vader quietly retreat the bridge...I believe that scene was in the book too. I also think the book goes on to state that Vader does not kill any of his Officers that night for their mistakes, which he usually does.
Great blog!! ESB is my fav too.
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Diviner525 In the Flesh
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date Posted: Jul 19, 2006 8:31 PM
Michelle! How can I win a spot back on your blog roll? I've been dumped!
You know, I think I could defeat the Dark Moose ... well, maybe not defeat. I could sorta hold my own. Maybe?
I'm like Luke. I'm not ready to face-off against the Dark Moose, but I'll give it a go!
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Diviner525 In the Flesh
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date Posted: Jul 19, 2006 8:38 PM
Mina, that's another good point. Even in the movie after the Falcon bolts away, we see Admiral Piett look at Vader as if he's totally expecting to get annihilated. But Vader just strolls on by him. Lost in thought.
ESB rules!
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stormraiderjedidragon
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date Posted: Jul 19, 2006 9:23 PM
I completely agree. Luke was able to look (literally) at his past mistake and learn from it. Of course, since we know it all ended up good in the end, I would say he did the right thing.
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Marvolo7 Marvolo's Misanthropic Musings
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date Posted: Jul 19, 2006 9:40 PM
Great blog, D525! Now, where to start? ESB is my favourite Star Wars movie, too.
I think we can interpret Yoda's telling Luke not to go after his friends on Cloud City as leaving them to the will of the force, rather than being proactive and trying to change fate. In this way, I think Yoda is following the very old Jedi teachings of taking that leap of faith and trusting in the force completely. In the Old Republic, Luke would have been absolutely forbidden from going after his friends, because he is letting attachment affect his judgment.
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Marvolo7 Marvolo's Misanthropic Musings
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date Posted: Jul 19, 2006 9:40 PM
The problem with this is that it shows a lack of compassion. Jedi Code or not, it is unfair to leave friends to their fate. Now, it is possible to fall into the same trap that Anakin did when trying to avoid Padme's fate. But Luke struck a nice balance between Anakin and Yoda's extremes when he went to Cloud City. He went to change fate, but he did it for the right reasons. His intentions were pure, and he never used the dark side.
And it was the same thing that saved Luke in the throne room, too: love. It was love and compassion that turned Vader back to the light, not the rather cold Jedi philosophy.
I hope this made some sense.
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jedi_339
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date Posted: Jul 20, 2006 6:24 AM
hmmm, very nice Blog Diviner, as always, get's you thinking about the more unanswered questions of star wars.
I'd like to point out one thing which hasn't yet been mentioned, it is a minor part in relation to Leia, Chewie and Lando escaping, had Luke not ventured to Bespin, R2-D2 would not have been able to re-activate the hyperdrive, hence Luke would've been caught by Vader again, as well as the others. I also like what you were saying about the fact that Vader didn't kill any of his officers that night Mina, I completely forgot that fact.
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jedi_339
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date Posted: Jul 20, 2006 6:28 AM
also this really was the beginning of the New Jedi Order, maybe Yoda intended this to happen, this was where Yoda and the old republican Jedi's ways were finally parted from Luke's future, Yoda was trying to teach him to become like the old jedi, but luke, by disobeying yoda, began to
1. make his own choices, and take some jedi responsobility, and
2. he made the NJO around the failings of the old one (he didn't know it)
by going to Bespin to help his friends, he set the course for the NJO to help out wherever they could, not merely peacekeepers.
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jedi_339
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date Posted: Jul 20, 2006 6:41 AM
hahahaha, nice Diviner you've just opened yourself up to the moose's wrath, hold onto your lightsaber, other wise there might not be a diviner to stay on michelle's blog roll.
The moose is not as forgiving as I am
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Darth Rex0 So be it....
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date Posted: Jul 20, 2006 8:56 AM
You are right on all points in for what I say anyway.
Yoda was learning how things should be, but he wasn't all the way there yet, the same with ghost Ben. They might have been stuck on the old "Jedi Code" a littel bit. Plus, I think they were just worried about letting him go. He wasn't ready, but he needed to face the challenge.
Luke throwing away his lightsaber is the best moment in the movies to me. Love it.
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Diviner525 In the Flesh
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date Posted: Jul 20, 2006 7:41 PM
Marvolo: That made perfect sense. I agree that Yoda was continuing his philosophy of letting go of attachments - i.e. the "Old" Jedi Code. And the old Jedi Code didn't really seem to work in dealing with the "new" Sith.
Luke didn't have the handicap of old thinking, since he was coming into all of it with a fresh point of view. And it is so true, his intentions were good and he never considered using the Dark Side to accomplish his goals.
In some ways Luke was totally in over his head, but it might also be said that Luke's basic training actually worked better than the full out Jedi training that Yoda had in mind. I'm not sure if that's true or not, but it is neat to think about.
D525.
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Diviner525 In the Flesh
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date Posted: Jul 20, 2006 7:57 PM
jedi_339: Hey dude, where you been? Seen any sharks?
Anyways, I always thought that the Imperials caught the Falcon because Luke was onboard. If you look at the first scenes as the Falcon is fleeing Bespin, they are getting away in good form. There is no one around them.
But then when they go back to save Luke, all hell breaks loose. That is when they get surrounded by TIE fighters and Star Destroyers. So I think if they didn't need to go back for Luke, they would have gotten away on their own (and not needed Artoo).
D525.
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Diviner525 In the Flesh
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date Posted: Jul 20, 2006 8:06 PM
Aw Michelle. I'm not leaving your blog roll without a fight! Although I'm glad I didn't have to fight the Dark Moose. Like jedi_339 said, there might not have been a D525 around to be on your blog roll after that.
As a matter of solidarity my PLB sister, I put you right up there on my blog roll. I found you a spot right next to Darth Rex0.
D525.
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Diviner525 In the Flesh
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date Posted: Jul 20, 2006 8:14 PM
Rex0: You got it right, the scene where Luke tosses his lightsaber away is just incredible. As is the moment when Vader decides to turn on Palpatine. That is heavy stuff in RoTJ.
As for Luke going to Bespin, we have all rushed off to face challenges that we weren't really ready for, and I suppose in a way, it makes us stronger. Granted, Luke just barely survived the ordeal, but he did survive it. Thanks to Leia and Chewie (his friends).
He rushed to save them, and in turn they rushed back to save him. That's what friends do for each other.
D525.
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jedi_339
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date Posted: Jul 20, 2006 10:15 PM
nah, no sharks at the moment mate, it's winter, I mean winter here is only mild (avg. of about 3'C overnight 15 of a day), but still not warm enough for me to go swimming
but yeah, you do have a point with the whole rescuing Luke, but at that time, they also weren't outside Bespins Atmosphere, so those Star Destroyers might just have been waiting in orbit for them. I must agree with Rex0, when Luke tosses away his lightsaber, it is one of the most powerful moments in the film, either that, or on Dagobah, when yoda and Luke are talking about the cave, and yoda tells luke what is inside "Only what you take with you..." a lovely little chill follows that line there, I did see Viago Angel's blog on just this topic actually hmmm.
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Jedi Arwen Skywalker
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date Posted: Jul 22, 2006 6:08 PM
I LOVE it when Luke tosses his lightsaber, THAT is when he truly becomes a Jedi.
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jkelly There Is No Conflict
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date Posted: Jul 22, 2006 10:18 PM
So, what you're saying is that when Luke gives into to his (good/ honorable/ noble) emotions in Ep V, it helps him succeed in Ep VI. The "new" Jedi Order is thus based on recognizing your emotions, not surpressing them, as Yoda and Obi-Wan would have preferred in Ep V.
The great thing about ESB is that is created the persona of our heroes. Han's "devil may care" attitude, the Falcon's deficiencies, Chewie's loyalty, Leia's "committe," and Luke as a "farm boy."
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JediPug1 Like My Father Before Me
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date Posted: Jul 26, 2006 9:20 PM
Great blog, D525! Luke was in error going to Bespin before he was able to handle Vader, but good things can still be brought about through error. Just as good can come from tragedy. In this case, that's what happened, and it did serve Luke well in ROTJ. Hands down, my favorite scene of the saga is Luke tossing aside his lightsaber. That was most definitely not done in error!
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