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HanAnWan
date posted: Aug 22, 2007 11:00 PM
Be mindful of your thoughts.
Obi-Wan Kenobi. I've been thinking a lot about him lately.

What's that you say??:|

No, I wasn't thinking lustful thoughts, I was thinking about Old Ben (I save the lust for PT Obi:D)

Anyway...

I was thinking about how much my feelings toward Old Ben have changed over the past 30 years. When I was first introduced to Ben so many years ago I was annoyed by his mysterious air. I knew there was something that he wasn't saying when he spoke to Luke, but what?
Now that I have been exposed to the Saga from beginning to end and have a much greater understanding of who Obi-Wan really was, I have come to respect him as one of the greatest characters in the Skywalker story. I find myself focusing more on him each time I watch one of the episodes wanting, each time, to know more, even though I know I shouldn't.;)

Okay then, enough about me. It is now time for my question foooorrrrr you.

~drum roll~

Did your feelings about one of the characters in the first trilogy you viewed change quite drastically after you watched the rest of the Skywalker story in the following trilogy?


I anxiously await your answers.
Thanks for stopping by.:D
http://blogs.starwars.com/HANbeforeANexceptafterWAN/2

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  Merryman-Lyon
A Wild Bantha Chase
date Posted: Aug 23, 2007 3:55 AM
Did your feelings about one of the characters in the first trilogy you viewed change quite drastically after you watched the rest of the Skywalker story in the following trilogy?

I had my own Obi-Wan experience. When I was young and had just seen the Original Trilogy, my favorite characters were Han and Luke. They were the cool heroes of the story, and if I was playing with my friends, I was always Han. (cont.)
  Merryman-Lyon
A Wild Bantha Chase
date Posted: Aug 23, 2007 3:56 AM
As time went on and I grew out of my childhood, I started to look at Obi-Wan as a different person. He was a mentor, and had a neat lightsaber too. Still, it wasn't until Episode III that Obi-Wan became my favorite character. I saw him as more than just a mentor after that. He was one of the greatest Jedi of his time, who had to start a new, lonely life in order to insure that the galaxy would be safe from his former friend.
  Rogueish
W.I.E.R.D.
date Posted: Aug 23, 2007 5:44 AM
Boba Fett.

Gone was the mystery. Thanks to Attack of the Clones.

Oh, and those awful Boba Fett novels depicting a teeny Boba beating Assaj Ventress, Durge and a few others. Complete arse.

Karen Traviss and Legacy of the Force aren't helping things much either. I remember when Boba was cool. Now - he's human.

I don't think Ewan McGegor's Obi-Wan shows him as one of the best characters in Star Wars, but the way he's depicted in the Republic comics certainly does. Just my humble opinion.
  vadersgirl33
vadersgirl_reflections
date Posted: Aug 23, 2007 6:03 AM
I think my opinion of Vader changed. He came off as waaaayyyy too evil when Star Wars first came out. I was 7 then, an impressionable age. The fact that he was Luke and Leia's father blew my mind. I was kinda like "How is this possible?????". With the PT, we see Anakin's backstory of how he became Darth Vader. Makes me kinda sorry for him in a way because he was manipulated.

cont.......
  vadersgirl33
vadersgirl_reflections
date Posted: Aug 23, 2007 6:07 AM
Which, of course helped Palpatine lure him to the Dark Side. It was too much for him, so he caved. It wasn't until seeing Luke that things changed for him. He was confused- he wanted things to change, but didn't know how. In the end, he accepted who he was, which allowed him to become one with the Force.
Great question, BTW.

vadersgirl33
  WifeofVader
Tales from the Death Star
date Posted: Aug 23, 2007 7:21 AM
Fancy meeting VG here! ]:)

The fact that he was Luke and Leia's father blew my mind. I was kinda like "How is this possible?????".
Yeah, I was in touch with that emotion too!

Ketal! What happened? We were twins! :^O

Ok, now, to answer your question....

For me? Well, I have a feeling I am going to take a lot of heat for this one, it's Yoda.

Yoda?!!?! **Wifey ducks the swamp sludge and poodoo being thrown her way**
  WifeofVader
Tales from the Death Star
date Posted: Aug 23, 2007 7:26 AM
Yes. Yoda!

In the OT, he was this really cool old jedi who seemed wise and humble. Knowlegeable and strong in mind.

In the PT, I saw a pompus, Yoda. One who would not let the order fall to the Sith but yet, didn't know how to defeat them because he refused to open his mind to other possible ways of the Force.

We don't see the humble, wise Yoda until he says to Bail "Failed I have, into exile I must go".

Before then, especially when he confronts Palpatine, he is one little Jedi Master with a really big head who was ignorant to anything but the Jedi way.
DJ Maul: Got Feet?
DJ Maul's Dancin' Cantina Party
date Posted: Aug 23, 2007 8:30 AM
great points all!

as for Obi Wan I agree; the PT shows now how much guilt and shame he must have felt over Anakins fall and it explains a LOT of what he does and says in the OT, especially his explanations to Luke over "what happened to your father."

Obi Wan simply couldnt bear to tell Luke the truth, perhaps he excused himself by saying he was "protecting" Luke from the truth but Im sure it had a LOT more to do with not being able to face his mistakes with Anakin and the guilt involved.
  Michelle1968
M68- Star Wars Kid at Heart
date Posted: Aug 23, 2007 8:50 AM
I was going to say Vader; still feel that way, but Vadersgirl pretty much covered what I was going to say there.

Obi would have been my second choice. I rememebr having the same feeling about him as you, Ketal, and it bugged the heck out of me. Now that I see what he went through as a padawan to Qui-gon, seeing him lose his life at the hand of Maul and feeling helpless, and then seeing the grief he experienced seeing HIS padawan suffer unto the dark side, I have a whole new compassion for him.

I so love that GL went back and told the backstory.

Great entry sweetie! :x
  ketal13
HanAnWan
date Posted: Aug 23, 2007 8:55 AM
I was always Han.
You Scoundrel.:D There will always be a place in my heart for my Han Man.:)
grew out of my childhood, I started to look at Obi-Wan as a different person.
Yes, I noticed that with age (far too much to mention) my perception of all of the characters changed somewhat, but as you mentioned, it was EP III that had the greatest affect on my feelings toward Old Ben.
  ketal13
HanAnWan
date Posted: Aug 23, 2007 8:55 AM
Boba Fett. Gone was the mystery.
Really? I admit, I didn't read any of the comics or novels about him, but I liked finding out that he had a history with the Jedi and DV himself. This did make him more human though, and, of course, I think that is a good thing.
I don't think Ewan McGegor's Obi-Wan shows him as one of the best characters
What?! Didn't you like how he stroked his beard and strutted across a room? You have to admit, the man did a fine strut.
  ketal13
HanAnWan
date Posted: Aug 23, 2007 8:56 AM
Makes me kinda sorry for him in a way because he was manipulated.
YES!!! My feelings did a 180 with Vadar too, but, Obi, for a change ,was on my mind last night. After the PT how could anyone not love Vadar? When I watched the OT again I no longer felt hatred every time I saw him, instead I saw an emotionally and physically scarred man who was still trying to do what he thought was the right. I love him.:x
Great question, BTW.
Thank you.:)
  ketal13
HanAnWan
date Posted: Aug 23, 2007 8:56 AM
Ketal! What happened? We were twins!
:^OI went for a make-over but my tatoo kind of looks like some serious facial hair, and at my age, that's not a good thing!;) I'm currently considering another change, either reverting to my previous look or getting some serious plastic surgery.:D
Yes. Yoda!:O:^O
I certainly have to agree with you there, but... I never liked him much in the OT--he annoyed me. I hated the head games that he played although as the Saga progressed I understood why he did what he did, but I still didn't like it.:) Anyway... in the prequels and the Clone Wars, you said it best he is one little Jedi Master with a really big head who was ignorant to anything but the Jedi way.:D
  WifeofVader
Tales from the Death Star
date Posted: Aug 23, 2007 9:02 AM
You really put a bug in my head with this blog, Ketal....

Anyway... in the prequels and the Clone Wars, you said it best he is one little Jedi Master with a really big head who was ignorant to anything but the Jedi way.

In thinking more about this subject, it has always seemed odd to me the statements that the Jedi make "Only Sith Deal in Absolutes".

Umm.... 'SCUSE ME!

Isn't that statement in itself an absolute?

Isn't forgetting everything you cherish an absolute?

Isn't most of the Jedi philosophy an absolute?!!?!

**Sigh**

I need a break. :^O

  WifeofVader
Tales from the Death Star
date Posted: Aug 23, 2007 9:03 AM
In my Sithy opinion, the JEDI are the ones that deal in absolutes. Ok, perhaps there are absolutes on both sides of the Force fence but.....

Sorry, this is probably another topic for another day. Didn't mean to spout off in your blog.

:8} ]:) :x
The Stooge
Star Wars Joke-A-Day
date Posted: Aug 23, 2007 9:09 AM
I never figured Darth Vader to be a whiner... but then again, Luke must have gotten it from somewhere!
kyle228
Truly Wonderful, the Mind of a Child Is...
date Posted: Aug 23, 2007 9:21 AM
I wasn't around when the OT came out, and I saw it not that far behind the PT. So there wasn't that much time for my mind to change. I suppose my opinion of the Emperor changed slightly. I actually had a bit more respect for him. Yes, I know that sounds pretty twisted, but when you think about it, he was so powerful that he duped the entire galaxy! That's quite an accomplishment, however evil!! MTFBWY!
Darth_Hiram
A Journey into The Force
date Posted: Aug 23, 2007 9:44 AM
It's hard to say that my thoughts of Vader changed because of the PT. We all knew Anakin would become him and perform attrocities in the name of the Empire. Yes, his character shed some light on why he became Vader, but that's it.

I think I was also most changed with Obi-Wan. He seemed like a wise old man in the OT that I couldn't really identify with that at that young age. Seeing him in the PT opened up a whole new world for Obi, IMO ... I could relate on a closer level, with a closer age.
  Rogueish
W.I.E.R.D.
date Posted: Aug 23, 2007 11:01 AM
Didn't you like how he stroked his beard and strutted across a room? You have to admit, the man did a fine strut.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a Ewan McGregor fan, and I think he was one of the few good things I like about the prequels. However, all strutting aside, the fact that I don't think he's a good character is down to the script and plot, not Ewan's acting ability.

Dark Horse comics showed Obi-Wan's true greatness.
  ketal13
HanAnWan
date Posted: Aug 23, 2007 11:59 AM
great points all!
I have to agree, they are a brilliant bunch today!:D
but Im sure it had a LOT more to do with not being able to face his mistakes with Anakin and the guilt involved
I agree. In fact, I wish that I would have said it!:)

I have a whole new compassion for him.
I know. When he said I have failed you Anakin... it broke my heart.:(
I so love that GL went back and told the backstory.
Me too.
Great entry sweetie!
Thank you so much.:D
  ketal13
HanAnWan
date Posted: Aug 23, 2007 12:11 PM
the JEDI are the ones that deal in absolutes.
You are absolutely correct in my humble opinion. I absolutely agree with you Wife of Vadar. I have had the same thought run through my mind too--ah, great minds think alike!:D
And you have my permission to spout off in my blog anytime you like.;):D

I never figured Darth Vader to be a whiner
STOOGE! (Where's that darn blacklist button...);) Luke was only a whiner because of his Uncle Owen. I mean just look at him in EPII, what a snotty look he had on his face. Hmph. Whiner indeed.:D
  ketal13
HanAnWan
date Posted: Aug 23, 2007 12:29 PM
but when you think about it, he was so powerful that he duped the entire galaxy
It's true. Originally I thought that the Emperor must have gotten all of his power through his electrically charged fingers, but that wasn't entirely the case.:)

I could relate on a closer level, with a closer age
Unfortunately Darth Hiram, that is the case with me as well.:)
With Darth Vadar I was ready for him to change to the Dark Side, but I expected it to be earlier in the story and with one significant cause, not as a result of being manipulated by so many, over such a long period of time, but as you said, I KNEW it was going to happen I just didn't want it to.:)
jkthunder
Seven Pieces
date Posted: Aug 23, 2007 12:32 PM
A lot of things changed dramatically once the PT was finished! But my general feel for the OT characters stayed largely the same, mostly because I'm so darn nostalgic. I would say th biggest change or story reveal (aside from Anakin's story) would be that of Boba Fett.
  ketal13
HanAnWan
date Posted: Aug 23, 2007 12:34 PM
Don't get me wrong, I'm a Ewan McGregor fan,
I just love messin' with you, that's all.:^O See if I had used the yodacons when I responded before, you would have known that I was kidding.;):DNow, you have to admit that the emoticons are a good thing. Right?;):D]:):p
  ketal13
HanAnWan
date Posted: Aug 23, 2007 12:58 PM
mostly because I'm so darn nostalgic.
I hear ya'. When I heard that Lucas was going to make the PT, I felt betrayed. Silly I know, but I thought, why would he want to mess with Star Wars. It was perfect, AS IS!!! After I watched the prequels I was pleasantly surprised by how much I enjoyed them--well, most of them, but I won't get into that right now.
In the OT Boba Fett was such a strong mysterious character and I felt that he needed more explanation, so I too was pleased when we got to know a little more about who Boba Fett was.:)
GalacticBabe
I Have a Bad Feeling About This!
date Posted: Aug 23, 2007 8:30 PM
Hi! :D

My first thought whenI read this question was the obvious--Anakin/Vader. But after looking at the comments, and thinking about my answer just a bit, I think I might have to say Yoda. We see him first in TESB as some little insane wizard looking muppet creature, and we know he had quite a past, but all he is seen as is an old teacher of the Force.

In the PT, he is so much more than just a teacher. He is almost the brains behind the whole operation. I hope I am making sense.....it's way past my bedtime! ;)

Fun question!!!
  ketal13
HanAnWan
date Posted: Aug 23, 2007 9:00 PM
Hi ya' GB!
He is almost the brains behind the whole operation.
I know. I was surprised that he had so much pull. I thought that perhaps he would be more like an equal to Obi-Wan, but that obviously wasn't the case.

Fun question!!!
Thanks!:D
Oh, and, yes, you did make sense. Now get some sleep.;)
Goodnight.:)
  R Sollers 88
Jedi Master Sollers
date Posted: Aug 23, 2007 9:10 PM
Palpatine.
When I first saw Return of the Jedi, I thought he was just an evil wrinkled old man. I didn't know he actually put a lot of effort and played both sides of a war to gain the position he was in.
And how he betrayed the entire Jedi Order. It was hard for me to watch. So seeing Luke and a redeemed Vader/Anakin overthrow the Emporer is definitely more powerful emotionally knowing how truly evil Palpatine was.
  Rogueish
W.I.E.R.D.
date Posted: Aug 23, 2007 11:15 PM
See if I had used the yodacons when I responded before, you would have known that I was kidding

No, actually I could tell you were kidding, I was just clarifying my point to let you know that I don't despise everything about the prequels, just Hayden.

Now, you have to admit that the emoticons are a good thing. Right?

Never in a thousand generations.
  ketal13
HanAnWan
date Posted: Aug 24, 2007 6:47 AM
is definitely more powerful emotionally knowing how truly evil Palpatine was.
Very good point RSollers. I was surprised how early Palpatine was introduced into the storyline, but in essence the story was just as much about him and his motives as it was about the Skywalkers. Every good story needs a villain, and a masterful villain he was.

Never in a thousand generations.
I can wait. I have the patience of a Sith.
Granny-Wan
I Am NOT an Old Fossil!
date Posted: Aug 24, 2007 11:40 AM
I definitely changed on Obi-Wan, from thinking of him as a wise old sage to a man with a tormented past... and thinking of how he must have suffered in his exile, and yet he remained a Jedi to the end... admirable...

Also, PT Obi-Wan is hot... LOL

I try to not let Anakin change my view of Vader... I always thought Vader was the ultimate cool bad guy, but I can't stand Anakin... if he'd been a little more mature, and not such an arrogant liar, it would have heightened my sense of the tragedy of him becoming Vader... I'm bothered more by the effect it had on Obi-Wan...
  ketal13
HanAnWan
date Posted: Aug 24, 2007 12:53 PM
I'm bothered more by the effect it had on Obi-Wan...
Why am I not surprised by that Granny-Wan??;)
PT Obi-Wan is hot... LOL:^O Even hotter than Mustaphar.:D

and thinking of how he must have suffered in his exile, and yet he remained a Jedi to the end... admirable...
Mm. So true. He really is all that in one perfectly wrapped package.:D

but I can't stand Anakin...
:^OWhy does everyone hate my Anakin so???;):D
Thanks for stopping by Granny-Wan. I read some of your fan fiction, but I haven't taken the time to finish all of it. What I have read so far is very good, get back to reading it soon, I must.:)
Granny-Wan
I Am NOT an Old Fossil!
date Posted: Aug 24, 2007 4:05 PM
Why am I not surprised by that Granny-Wan??

Transparent, I am... :x

He really is all that in one perfectly wrapped package.:D

A package I'd love to unwrap... ;

Why does everyone hate my Anakin so???

I can't say exactly what it is that bugs me so much... his immaturity, I think... it reminds me of when I was the mother of a teenager... LOL

I read some of your fan fiction

For the love of Obi-Wan.... LMAO...
  Irwin03
CDS: The Art Side of the Force
date Posted: Aug 24, 2007 10:43 PM
Just about everyone who appears in both. Obi, Ani, Yoda, Boba, Palps, even R2 and 3PO.

Why does everyone hate my Anakin so???
Nothing personal it's just he reminds me of *shudders* Jacen, and vice versa. *shudders again*
  ketal13
HanAnWan
date Posted: Aug 24, 2007 11:23 PM
Hey Irwin. Glad to see your back in the SW blogworld. I'm afraid I'm sooo old school that I do not have a clue who Jacen is, but, it sounds like he's probably not too popular either.:D
Looking forward to seeing more of your craft projects--it is craft projects right? If craft isn't the right word, forgive me, I'm old and suffer from a poor memory.;):D
Thanks for dropping by.:D
Jade Sabre777
A luminous being, I am...
date Posted: Aug 25, 2007 10:07 AM
Well this is what I get for being late - everybody already mentioned all the good characters! I have to agree about Obi-Wan, Yoda, Ani/Vader, and Palpy. Well how 'bout this guy: Jabba! Instead of thinking about him as just a fat old slug, I also now reflect on him as a fat young slug! :D Kidding!

I liked Obi-Wan much more after seeing the PT because I came to understand why he did what he did. Plus I just want to give him a hug (purely innocent, I tell ya! ;)) after seeing him deal with the loss of, well, everything! His master, his apprentice/friend/brother, his Jedi friends, his home. . . . And if you want to go into the EU, he also lost his love, Siri! *sniff* :_|
Jade Sabre777
A luminous being, I am...
date Posted: Aug 25, 2007 10:13 AM
I think it might have been in Labyrinth of Evil where Obi-Wan and Anakin were talking about destiny, and Obi-Wan said that he felt that he was destined for eternal sadness. :_| Poor Obi-Wan! But I respect him so much more now after seeing him go through what he's gone though.

Vader never scared me. I never really hated him. He was just there. He was just the bad guy in the movie. I couldn't really comprehend who he was before he was Vader or how he became Vader. So seeing Anakin in the PT gave him a lot more depth IMO and I took more interest in him finally (for multiple reasons. . . . ;) :D :x ).
Jade Sabre777
A luminous being, I am...
date Posted: Aug 25, 2007 10:21 AM
Yoda I guess became a little less obnoxious to me. Plus seeing him fight was pretty neat! But I didn't respect him quite as much after seeing him in the PT - because his arrogance and close-mindedness and stuff.

Yoda until he says to Bail "Failed I have, into exile I must go".
He's so droopy and adorable when he says that! Cute little muppet froggy guy!

When I first saw Palpy I thought he was a retarded old prune whose arrogance was his downfall. After the PT (and reading Cloak of Deception!) I was like, "Dude, this guy is a stinkin' evil genious! Awesome!" I saw how sinister and crafty and cunning he was.

Sorry for taking up so much space! ;)
Jade Sabre777
A luminous being, I am...
date Posted: Aug 25, 2007 10:28 AM
Ah, what the heck?

(I save the lust for PT Obi)
Even with the mullet? ;)

Didn't you like how he stroked his beard and strutted across a room? You have to admit, the man did a fine strut.
Ha! Yes, and his "crisp Coruscanti accent!" :^O

I do not have a clue who Jacen is, but, it sounds like he's probably not too popular either.
Depends on who you talk to. He's a character in the LOTF series (Sacrifice, Betrayal, Bloodlines, and all that. . .) that goes to the dark side. Han and Leia's son, and twin brother of Jaina. I haven't read the series, but everyone here loves it.
  ketal13
HanAnWan
date Posted: Aug 25, 2007 12:37 PM
Jade Baby!!!:DGlad to here from ya',I was beginning to feel snubbed!;)

I also now reflect on him as a fat young slug!
Deep. Very deep.:^O

after seeing him deal with the loss of, well, everything!
I know. Actually I never felt a great deal of attraction for Obi-Wan until after EP III, when I started thinking about all that had happened to him. Now, I look at Obi in a much different light--incandescent I think, it is so much more flattering than halogen;)AND If I concentrate enough and use the power of the force I can see Obi-wan----without the mullet!WooHoo!:D
  ketal13
HanAnWan
date Posted: Aug 25, 2007 12:38 PM
he also lost his love, Siri
Really? Intriqued I am. Which book?
I am finally taking the time to read the Prequels and I want to get into the other books, but in a sequential fashion (if that makes sense). For example I want to read the Labyrinth of Evil after I read AOTC then I want to read Dark Lord after ROTS.
What cha' think? Is that the proper order or are there other books I don't know about?

Failed I have, into exile I must go".
It was the only time I was proud of the cute little muppet froggy guy;)was when he said that. I had thought that he would be a much more open minded easy going character, but such was not the case.
  ketal13
HanAnWan
date Posted: Aug 25, 2007 12:40 PM
I saw how sinister and crafty and cunning he was.
I know! I mean the guy even had three alias', that we know of. I was glad that his character was developed as much as it was.

Sorry for taking up so much space!
You can take as much space as you like Miss Jade Sabre!:D:D:D

Ah, what the heck?
:DYay!!!:D
  ketal13
HanAnWan
date Posted: Aug 25, 2007 12:40 PM
crisp Coruscanti accent!"
So that's what it is called. :)
You have to admit, the man did a fine strut.
I love giving Rogueish a hard time.:D

Han and Leia's son that turns to the dark side
:OOh no. That's terrible. I really do have to get busy reading!

Okay. Two questions. What does IMO mean? Is it In My Own?
AND LOTF? Legacy of the Force. Right? Yeah, I think that I just solved that little mystery.

So glad you finally;) stopped in!:D
  rivet head
WILL TYPE STAR WARS BLOG FOR FOOD!
date Posted: Aug 30, 2007 9:01 AM
I am totally late with this...

But the PT changed my perception of Darth Vader. Before we got the PT, Vader often seemed to be just another archetypical "bad guy". ROTS, at least for me, added the stain of "road to hell paved with good intentions" & Greek tragedy to Vader. Example: end of ESB, when the Falcon barely escapes. Vader starts to turn away from the window, then briefly pauses and looks back out the window to where his son just escaped. Probably just a throwaway move when it was filmed. But the PT's story gives a subtle yet huge subtext to that scene when I watch it now. Makes you wonder what Vader's thinking at that moment. It's the little things like that that make me appreciate the larger story of the PT.
  rivet head
WILL TYPE STAR WARS BLOG FOR FOOD!
date Posted: Aug 30, 2007 9:03 AM
Then there's my usual Darth Vader = Tony Montan/Scarface metaphor. The parallels are amazing, but I won't derail this blog with that. ;)


Someday I'm finally gonna get off my duff and put that in my own blog...
  ketal13
HanAnWan
date Posted: Aug 30, 2007 9:10 PM
Greek tragedy to Vader.
Finally!!!! Someone else who feels the same way as I do about Vadar.

But the PT's story gives a subtle yet huge subtext to that scene when I watch it now.
Me too! It's like an entirely different movie for me now, I even feel differently about the music that is played in the Vadar scenes.
After viewing ROTS I wanted to see ESB again so I could rewatch the scene that you mentioned, I knew it would have a much deeper meaning this time--it was a subtle yet powerful moment.
  ketal13
HanAnWan
date Posted: Aug 30, 2007 9:16 PM
Darth Vader = Tony Montan/Scarface
Oh yeah, that old metaphor.;)
I'd love to read all about it.

Thanks so much for stopping in, better late than never.:D
Qui-Gon Reborn
The Fifth Dimension
date Posted: Aug 07, 2008 12:18 AM
LUKE!

My perception of Luke began as a whiny young boy, with no appreciation for what Ben was trying to accomplish. With reading a got portion of all of the EU novels, and seeing the PT, Luke is a hero to me now, invincible and indomitable, powerful and courageous.

As for Obi-Wan, he has been transformed from a wise old man to a hero perhaps even greater than Luke. Besides that...well...:x

Then there's Qui-Gon. My thoughts about him'll never change...:8}
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