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Random as a Blaster
date posted: Aug 09, 2005 2:51 PM
The EU. Bash it all you want. It's still canon.
I am sick and tired of all the EU bashing. I know everyone has a right to their opinion. You can either like the EU or not. That's fine, but I am tired of reading about how this story doesn't count because of this, or that's not canon because of that. Sorry to inform all of you EU haters out there, but most of the EU is canon, and there is nothing any of you can do about it. From what I understand from what I have gathered from the VIPs on the Message Boards, everything Star Wars that has been written is canon except for Infinities stuff. Plain and simple. So that means you can't pick and choose what "counts" or what doesn't. It all counts. I, like many others out there, do not like the book The Crystal Star. Does that mean it's not canon just because we don't like it? Nope. It is just as relevant as the Clone Wars Era novels (which so many EU bashers seem to be ok with.)

"The EU is taking it too far." "It is not what the Creator...er...George Lucas intended." How do you know? Are you buddies with the big guy? He may not read and approve every story that comes out, but he sure does allow them to come out. Look at the spine of one of those New Jedi Order books you hate so much. What does it say on the top? Lucas Books. Do you think Lucas would continue to let the books come out if he thought they were ruining his Vision for Star Wars? He has even incorporated EU elements into his movies. Coruscant came from the EU. Aayla Secura jumped from the comics onto the big screen in AOTC, and her EU master Quinlan Vos even gets a nod in Revenge of the Sith.

The Star Wars story started with the movies yes, but it is not the whole story. The story is expanded in books, comics, cartoons, games, short stories, and more. These stories are official and the people over at LucasFilm work extremely hard to get the best authors and keep everything in continuity. Of course mistakes are made. That's going to happen when you have so many stories out there, but they are pretty darn good at keeping everything straight. There are not nearly as many inconsistencies as others may want you to think. There are a some here and there, but for the most part they don't have much bearing on the Star Wars story as a whole. Who cares if Jaina Solo's age was wrong in Dark Journey? So what if there are a couple different accounts as to how Vader lost his arm. Look at the larger picture people. Enjoy the stories. If you don't like them then don't read them. That's it.

I myself love most of the EU. I love how everything is linked and ties together. I would agree that some of the stories I don't like, but they are not my stories. Someone other than me or you was chosen to write these books and it is there story to tell. If you think you can do better, then start writing, get noticed, and maybe Sue will pick you to write the next one. Until that happens though none of us have the right to pick and choose what is canon and what is not.

Of course your opinion counts. You don't have to like the EU, but if you like it or not doesn't alter the fact that it's canon.

The Emperor was resurrected
Luke went to the darkside
The Yuzhann Vong exist
Chewie died
Leia and Han have kids
Boba Fett lives

It all happens. Deal with it.

  Graffiti
Somewhere on the Other Side of Mos Eisley
date Posted: Aug 09, 2005 3:29 PM
You make some very good points. Overall, I'm not a big fan of the EU, but I still accept it as the continuing story of the Star Wars galaxy. Some of it I like quite a lot, some of it I can't stand, though this usually has to do with the skill of the authors rather than the overall outcome of the events--though one does often affect the other (I still think it was a lame bit of storytelling to kill off Anakin Solo, particularly when Chewie died to save him).
  Graffiti
Somewhere on the Other Side of Mos Eisley
date Posted: Aug 09, 2005 3:34 PM
(cont.)

Though, I will say that my dislike of the EU is comparable to how far away it goes from the story and characters from the movies that I love, so the further in the future it is and the less it deals with Luke, Han, and Leia, the less I am interested. But that's just personal preference.

Oddly enough, this is the same reason I like the later Narnia books less than The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe, which was one of my favorite books as a kid. Once the original four kids are written out of the story, I lose interest. And all the books were written by C.S. Lewis, so there can be no complaints about "cannon" issues because it is entirely what he intended.
  ithekro
date Posted: Aug 09, 2005 3:53 PM
I've noticed the biggest problem most people have with the EU is the seeming errors between the pre-1999 novels and the Prequel Trilogy. While some of that is true, and some of it might seem to contradict the meaning of the Saga as a whole, but it does not take away from the novels and comics. As it is the pre-1999 novels are written from the point of view that Luke the Heroes of Yavin are the main characters, and it tells their stories. Not the overall arc of Anakin as the Chosen One, as that wasn't as issue back then, nor even known outside of Lucas's head. Let the pre-1999 stories be what they are...Luke, Leia, and the New Republic's story
  Aush
Exploring the Expanding Universe of Star Wars
date Posted: Aug 09, 2005 5:27 PM
I am a big fan of the EU. There are moments where I wish some things never came around (like the Planet of Twilight or Children of the Jedi or Anakin Solo's death after Chewie saved him; even if they say they killed off Anakin Solo because too many people were confusing him with Anakin Skywalker). However, there are moments where the EU make me stare with awe (the Yuuzhan Vong war, Exar Kun and Ulic Qel-Droma, Kyp Durron). I know people don't like it, but they shouldn't talk about it if they don't like it; ignore it all.

- yub yub
  Z-score
The Star Wars Uncle
date Posted: Aug 09, 2005 6:02 PM
Excellent entry and good argument.

I usually don't refer to the EU in my blogs because of the ambiguity issue, plus I've only read a few books from the EU, so I don't feel well-versed enough to refer to it. But there are a lot of books that I would like to read. I remember a blog I read from, I think it was Tasty Taste, a VIP who wrote an entry and said that there are certain levels of canon. But I also remember reading something once that said nothing gets published without getting approval from George Lucas, or something along those lines.
  ywingempress
Shroud of the Dark Side
date Posted: Aug 09, 2005 6:41 PM
Very well said. *nods*
  jedimaster13109
Meditations of a Star Wars Fan
date Posted: Aug 09, 2005 6:44 PM
The EU has erked me for some time for one reason. Its the stretch that authors have to go to create a good story. The Emperor's clones?! (even so it was his knowledge not his body that gave him power) GL killed off his hero (Anakin) his great evil (palpatine) and his great good (yoda) at the end of ROTJ. The story of those characters is over other than short continuation about the solo childeren and the New Republic. But the sith are gone the tale is over. Also I have yet to see a really well developed and classic villian in the EU. On a different note about Luke fake turning to the Dark Side to learn to destroy Palpatine and then kill him .......... just explain how you fool the force?!
  jedimaster13109
Meditations of a Star Wars Fan
date Posted: Aug 09, 2005 6:45 PM
Neverless if you like it go for it. It is all we have left to hope for as Star wars fans. personally I hope it gets a little better.
  Aa-Ron Jinn
Random as a Blaster
date Posted: Aug 10, 2005 7:05 AM
Also I have yet to see a really well developed and classic villian in the EU.

what about Grand Admiral Thrawn?

On a different note about Luke fake turning to the Dark Side to learn to destroy Palpatine and then kill him .......... just explain how you fool the force?!

He didn't fake it. He tried to appear as if he had gone over to the dark side to fool Palpatine, but his plan backfired and he ended up actually falling to the dark side.
  Ithorion Guy
date Posted: Aug 10, 2005 12:28 PM
Also I have yet to see a really well developed and classic villian in the EU.

I'll just name a few for you:

Exar Kun
Thrawn
Xizor
Darth Malak
Nom Anor
Tsavong Lah
(formarly evil) Mara Jade
Durga the Hutt (I thought he was a more interesting character than Jabba)
Asajj Ventress
  jediclone28
I sense a disturbance in the force...
date Posted: Aug 11, 2005 8:05 AM
I agree. You can't change the facts. GL wouldn't have let all those books come out if they ruined his vision for star wars. Some of them may not be as good as others but regardless the books were published and are now canon.
  Knight JC
date Posted: Aug 12, 2005 11:59 AM
Does anyone know when Chapters 21-25 will be available on DVD or when they will be back on the Cartoon Network? I have mostly enjoyed the EU, but there are some books that are so-so and sem to drag on a bit. I, Jedi has to be my favorite book. I have been at a disadvantage because there was no where that I live that sells comics on a regular basis. I will take the EU as it is because it still continues the tales that I enjoy reading. I think a series of books on the Sith wars would be awesome if done by a good writer like Zahn.
  wkstlink
date Posted: Aug 19, 2005 7:32 PM
And to add to all of this. It would be nice to see the EU stories start to wean out the BIG THREE. Yes, we need Luke, and the secondary character of Mara, but come on, Han has to be getting pretty old. In real life he would be collecting a pension cheque from the government. Don't get me wrong, I love reading about how Han keeps kickin' alien rump, but I think it is time to let the new generation take the stories over.
One other item. When I see the younger readers become totally engrossed in the new books, it proves that the EU may never cease to exist. We could be reading about the adventures of Jaina's children and the spectre of Luke aiding their learnings of the force.
  Aa-Ron Jinn
Random as a Blaster
date Posted: Aug 22, 2005 10:00 AM
I kind of agree with you about putting some of the old characters out of the spotlight, but judging by the Dark Nest books, Han and Leia are still front and center. I think it won't be long and the books will begin to focus more on Jacen, Jaina, and the other younger characters. Remember, some of the NJO books already focused on these characters.

EU may never cease to exist.

Let's hope you are right. I personally know more kids that are into Star Wars than I do people my age (25). I was just having a conversation the other day with a 11 year old boy about Kyle Katarn. The EU will never die as long as the younger generation stays interested.
  D-vad The Conquerer
date Posted: Aug 24, 2005 1:35 PM
aaron jinn,

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Hedec Ga
War Journal of Hedec Ga
date Posted: Jun 15, 2006 9:04 AM
Aa-Ron Jinn, I just stumbled upon this blog but I gotta say...

Thank you. You hit the nail on the head and reading your words was like hearing my own thoughts repeated back to me. Nice to meet a kindred spirit!
coruscant_planet
Coruscant Blog - Musings Of A Star Wars Fan
date Posted: Aug 25, 2007 1:46 AM
I agree 100% with what you said. I also believe the EU should be considered canon.
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