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 | Anakin Skywalker's Conception |
 Yes, there have been many blogs written about the subject. But it's time I spoke out about it. I, for one do not buy into the idea of Anakin being created by a Sith Lord. We are all familiar with the ideas of Darth Plagueis or Darth Sidious creating Anakin Skywalker. Reason being that the prophecy of the one who will bring balance to the Force is a Jedi prophecy.
Let's look at this logically. First let's talk about the idea of Darth Plagueis creating Anakin Skywalker. Has anybody ever notice the fact that Darth Maul is older than Anakin Skywalker at least ten to fifteen years? Has anybody ever thought of it? I'm sure there are people who have actually thought of it, but I know that there are others who totally overlooked it. It has been established so many times by George Lucas and other members of Lucasfilm that there is never at any given time no more than two Sith Lords at the same time. If anybody is going to try to convince us otherwise, they are way over their heads. There has never been in any of the Star Wars films more than two Sith Lords at the same time. The rule of two is put in for a reason. That is to protect the Sith Order from destroying each other. It is one rule they have to follow if they are to survive. It was also been established by George Lucas that traditional future Sith apprentices are trained from birth. Count Dooku and Anakin Skywalker were exceptions. Dooku was an exception because Sidious already had his plan into motion and you can learn that from Lucas in the AOTC Audio Commentary and Lucas will clearly state that Sidious should have started an with an infant. Of course Anakin is also an exception because Sidious needed an apprentice right away to finish his plan to destroy the Jedi Order. Of course that doesn't go without saying that Sidious molded Anakin slowly over the years to become a Sith apprentice because of his Force potential.
Anakin was a little boy when we were introduced to Darth Maul. Which means Maul is a young apprentice possibly not any older than twenty-five years old. He could be twenty if we want to push his age any younger, but probably not younger than that. The fact remains that Maul is many years older than Anakin. If you are still wondering where I am going with this, I would just keep listening because I'm getting there. As revealed, Sidious killed his master, Darth Plagueis in his sleep, thus becoming the Sith Master. He then in tradition takes on a new apprentice, and that would be Darth Maul. Darth Maul is many years older than Anakin Skywalker, so that would mean Anakin isn't even conceived yet. Whether or not Plagueis knew the power to create life or not remains a mystery.
For all we know, Sidious said that just to get Anakin's attention and open his mind to the Dark Side of the Force. You do realize that Sith Lords will use lies and deceit to get what they want. Clearly Sidious did read Anakin's mind about Padme, and revealed that he knew that to Anakin when he was trying to recruit him to the Dark Side. If you don't remember this, I suggest that you go back and watch ROTS and carefully watch the part where Sidious recruits Anakin and Anakin takes out his lightsaber to kill Sidious. It's also clear that Anakin never told Sidious that he was afraid that Padme was going to die. So that would mean Sidious read Anakin's mind and used that knowledge to get him to open his mind to the Dark Side a step while watching the play on Coruscant. Enough to have Anakin think and ponder about the idea of learning the Dark Side to try to save Padme.
As for Sidious creating Anakin, why didn't he tell Anakin? Wouldn't that have softened Anakin's heart about joining the Dark Side? Make Anakin believe that it was his destiny since he would have been created to join the Dark Side and become a Sith, that he can also use that knowledge to save Padme? It would be a classic. Sidious tells Anakin that he is his father. Let's add more to the classic for ROTJ when Luke meets Sidious on the Death Star and tell Luke he is his grandfather and that together they can rule the galaxy as a family.
So why in the heck create Anakin and leave him on Tatooine? Why not raise him from birth so Anakin would not know what it is like to be a good person or learn those compassionate feelings? Why not train him from the beginning and breed him all his life to be a Sith Lord? Is Sidious that dumb? I don't think he is. If the Jedi had a prophecy that one will be conceived by the midi-chlorians to bring balance to the Force by destroying the Sith, wouldn't the Sith be aware of this prophecy? And if so, why create a person in a fashion that will one day destroy you? Especially take the chance to leave him alone and one day have the Jedi take him in and possibly fulfill the prophecy? People may say that is the way it happened. True, it happened that the Jedi took Anakin in, but if you engineered Anakin to be an all-powerful Sith Lord and knew you did it in a way that is prophesied to destroy you, would you take that chance? It wouldn't be worth it. Now, if you knew that a boy has been discovered by a Jedi that possibly was conceived by the midi-chlorians that will one day bring balance to the Force by destroying you, then you would have nothing to lose to try to turn him to your side. It would make more sense that Sidious trying to turn Anakin is something to do because he has nothing to lose, but everything to gain rather than a situation where he creates Anakin and hopes to one day slowly turn him to see things his way, which would be a greater risk.
So why did Qui-Gon say that the midi-chlorians continually speak to us to tell us the will of the Force? Why did Lucas say Anakin was conceived by the midi-chlorians so he can bring balance to the Force and get rid of evil? Isn't that the will of the Force? Isn't that what Qui-Gon said about the midi-chlorians and that they spoke to us? And what I mean by us is Jedi who will listen to the midi-chlorians and understand the will of the Force. Do you really think that Sidious would actually see that one day a Jedi would discover Anakin and free him from slavery and bring him to Coruscant to become a Jedi? And that the Jedi would approve of his training even though he would be too old because traditionally Jedi are trained from birth? If Sidious is that good, you would think he would have been good enough to foresee his own death, or know how to prevent a situation where it would happen, and that his so called creation would turn on him.
We have seen all the movies. There isn't anything left to hide is there? If so, why hide it? The story is out there. The saga is complete. If something new comes out, shouldn't it have been in the movie? Why wait later to tell us? Why not make it better by releasing that information in the movie?
It's true that the idea of having Sidious revealing to Anakin that he creating him happened. But if it was suppose to be true then there is nothing left to be said. But if it isn't true you don't have a movie to reveal the real truth since ANH, ESB, and ROTJ have already been created. You don't have that chance of resolution and you would confuse the audience if it isn't intended to be true. That would be a good reason to drop the idea, don't you think?
I know Pablo Hildago has come out with his idea of Palpatine creating Anakin. But this time he is going with his idea, rather than telling us stuff from the script. This is just his opinion. Pablo like others seems to be waiting for a twist. I think the problem would be that there are no more movies left to be made to reveal that. ROTS seems to have been the last chance to tell us anything else that needs to be cleared. It is possible that Pablo may know something and wrote his blog to hint us at something, but I seriously doubt it.
Anakin Skywalker was created by the will of the Force and fulfilled the Jedi prophecy and destroyed the Sith and ended the story. As Lucas said, he never thought beyond ROTS and that is because there is nothing left to tell.
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Osilio Remus
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date Posted: Oct 13, 2005 11:06 PM
Excellent blog, I really enjoyed reading it. =) And you're probably right about your theory
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SelanaCreed I find your lack of faith disturbing
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date Posted: Oct 14, 2005 1:20 AM
I have to admit, that I loved the idea of Palpatine creating Anakin and all that, but, yes, I have to admit too, that you made some very good points why he couldn't have done it.
Let's add more to the classic for ROTJ when Luke meets Sidious on the Death Star and tell Luke he is his grandfather and that together they can rule the galaxy as a family.
Scary thought, isn't it?
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Dark_Load The Death Star's Laundromat
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date Posted: Oct 14, 2005 3:30 AM
I know that Qui-Gon believed that Anakin was concieved by midi-chlorians(See Episode I novelization.) I'm not really sure if he was right, or if this really means anything.
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JediShemL Anakin Skywalker's Conception
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date Posted: Oct 14, 2005 10:44 AM
I know that Qui-Gon believed that Anakin was concieved by midi-chlorians(See Episode I novelization.) I'm not really sure if he was right, or if this really means anything.
It's also mentioned in my blog that Lucas said that Anakin was conceived by the midi-chlorians. Qui-Gon was right if Lucas, the creator said so. And while the TPM novel says that Qui-Gon believes Anakin to be conceived by the midi-chlorians, he also says it in the movie, TPM. Refer to the Jedi Council scene when Qui-Gon gives his report about the mysterious Sith Lord and Yoda asks Qui-Gon if he has more to say.
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jediknight2210 Where did you dig up that old fossil?
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date Posted: Oct 14, 2005 9:03 PM
Very good. I agree with your theory. But I like some of the questions left unanswered, so us fans can try to figure it out!
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chaos spartan Oi!!!
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date Posted: Oct 14, 2005 10:31 PM
I believe that Anakin was created by Darth Plagueis... his role in the galaxy was to be known by Darth Plagueis and he was to use anakin to his knowlege. However Darth Plagueis did not know that Sidious would eventually murder him. Sidious probably knew of this conception of anakin but did not know exactly how significant anakin would be. Eventually though he learns that Anakin has become as powerful as his master expected and moved to continue on Darth Plagueis' plan. Even though in the end... because he did not have complete control over Anakin from the beginning his plans end up "sloppy"
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Darth Kevinmhk
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date Posted: Oct 15, 2005 6:41 AM
Refer to what i read from the blogs quoting
Vader: The Ultimate Guide, I am convinced that
Anakin is created by Darth Plagueis.
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JediShemL Anakin Skywalker's Conception
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date Posted: Oct 15, 2005 2:05 PM
For those who wrote that they are convinced that Anakin was created by Plagueis, how would that be possible since I showed you if you read my blog that Plagueis was killed many years before Anakin's birth.
Darth Kevinmhk, do you have a link?
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chaos spartan Oi!!!
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date Posted: Oct 15, 2005 4:30 PM
from my understanding it takes a while for some one to be born from time of pregnancy... and its not like when plagueis created anakin it was like... poof... he came out of shmi. It can be a power that takes time to develop.
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JediShemL Anakin Skywalker's Conception
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date Posted: Oct 15, 2005 5:05 PM
from my understanding it takes a while for some one to be born from time of pregnancy...
Nine months is what it takes. Anakin was born about 15 years after Plagueis' death.
its not like when plagueis created anakin it was like... poof... he came out of shmi. It can be a power that takes time to develop.
Now you are just speculating without any reasonable facts.
Refer back to the paragraph to why would you create something in a way that would ultimately destroy you? The Sith aren't ignorant.
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Darth Kevinmhk
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date Posted: Oct 15, 2005 8:37 PM
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Darth Kevinmhk
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date Posted: Oct 15, 2005 8:42 PM
JediShemL:
Vader: The Ultimate Guide directly stated that Palpatine
has planed to overthrow his Master Plagueis for years,
he trained Darth Maul in secret even when Plagueis was still alive
Ya i know The Rule of Two... but we always know Apprentice often
overthrow Master.. Vader wanted to recruit Luke to overthrow Palpatine too!
The Ultimate Guide also stated that Plagueis openly tell Sidious
about his project.
And this is my own idea:
We dont know how the Plagueis' ability work! We dont even know
any of the process, and the time required for the project! It is possible
that it is difficult and required some period of time to finish, unlike
normal conception.
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Darth Kevinmhk
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date Posted: Oct 15, 2005 8:44 PM
If you believe the Guide... then LucasArts really wanna fit up
all the plot holes in order to really make Plagueis created Anakin
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JediShemL Anakin Skywalker's Conception
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date Posted: Oct 15, 2005 10:57 PM
Kevinmhk, the info you linked isn't conclussive. Mainly when when it says stuff like, "It's believed...", rather stating it as fact. It's also 100% EU, where George Lucas has never said anything of the nature. At least things that I have mentioned have been at one time quoted by Lucas.
Even Pablo, who worked with Lucas doesn't even believe it was Plagueis and he's as familiar with the EU guides as anybody.
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skywalker27199
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date Posted: Oct 15, 2005 11:31 PM
Hi everyone I am not tying to change the subject on this blog but , I have a question.
I was on the internet looking at the skywalker family tree and I noticed something Padme doesn't have the same last name as her family . Does anyone know anything about this?
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chaos spartan Oi!!!
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date Posted: Oct 15, 2005 11:45 PM
It has been hinted at repeatedly that anakin was concieved by plagueis, It has not been stated as a fact and probably never will be unless George reads your blog and sees how naive you are. There is no proof however right now that you or any of us are correct. Everyone can have their own minds on this subject. But again... we have no clue of how plagueis' ability worked.... how it would turn out if he wasnt murdered.... and what his plan was in the beginning.
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Darth Kevinmhk
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date Posted: Oct 16, 2005 8:29 AM
JediShemL:
on page 34:
Plagueis revealed to Sidious an experiment he'd conceived to create life directly from the midi-chlorians found in one's blood, potentially yielding a being of astounding power. Comprehending that any such being would amount to Sidious' replacement, the Sith apprentice murdered his master. Darth Sidious had multiple pupils, beginning with the feral Sith Lord Darth Maul, whom Sidious raised and trained without Plagueis' knowledge.
this page doesnt begin with It's believed or anything like that.
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Darth Kevinmhk
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date Posted: Oct 16, 2005 8:31 AM
Anyway, unless George openly settle the matter, we can never
fully prove the idea or counter prove it. For myself, i am convinced
Plagueis created Anakin. And whoever or whatever created Anakin
didnt affect Anakin's right for the Chosen One title.
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chaos spartan Oi!!!
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date Posted: Oct 16, 2005 9:24 AM
amen
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skywalker27199
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date Posted: Oct 16, 2005 4:01 PM
can anyone answer my question?
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Darth Kevinmhk
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date Posted: Oct 16, 2005 8:17 PM
skywalker27199:
Amidala is the last name for her throne, not her family
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skywalker27199
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date Posted: Oct 16, 2005 10:29 PM
sorry,but I don't understand. Are you saying that they gave her a different last name?
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Darth Kevinmhk
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date Posted: Oct 17, 2005 3:51 AM
skywalker27199:
yes once someone was elected for the throne,
he / she / it received a "royal last name"
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JediShemL Anakin Skywalker's Conception
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date Posted: Oct 17, 2005 5:34 AM
It all comes down again to what I said in my blog. The story is over. There is no mention of Anakin being conceived by the Sith. If Anakin was a product of the Sith, why isn't mentioned in the movie, which is where everything is cannon? Why not reveal what there needs to be reveal in the movie? Why hold back? I mention this clearly in my blog.
People are still treating this as if there is another prequel to be made where it will revealed as a major twist. 4, 5, and 6 have already been made and no such revelation was revealed. If Lucas truly intended Anakin to be created by the Sith, I strongly believe he would have put that in ROTS.
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Darth Kevinmhk
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date Posted: Oct 17, 2005 9:11 AM
And i strongly belive that if Lucas truly intendeded Anakin to be created
by the Force itself, he would skip all this missleading stuff. There are
sure many other interesting ideas to cause Anakin's fall and catch our attention.
So, i believe it's 50/50.... He wanna see what's the reaction among fans,
and although movies are over, there are still many ways to make something
canon in the future, including TV series and novels.
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JediShemL Anakin Skywalker's Conception
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date Posted: Oct 17, 2005 11:37 AM
And i strongly belive that if Lucas truly intendeded Anakin to be created by the Force itself, he would skip all this missleading stuff...
...He wanna see what's the reaction among fans
Oh yeah, let's not tell the whole story just to see how we would react. It was clearly established in TPM that Anakin was conceived by the will of the Force. However there is clearly nothing that establishes Anakin being created by the Sith.
Just remember, Palpatine stated that he knew the power to create life in the 3rd person to Anakin at the play. Then he says he didn't know it after Windu's death, but if they worked together they could discover the secret.
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skywalker27199
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date Posted: Oct 17, 2005 1:06 PM
Thank you
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chaos spartan Oi!!!
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date Posted: Oct 17, 2005 1:58 PM
no crap... it was the master... Darth Plagueis who knew the secret. He created Anakin. The Force does not work around itself and thats it... The will of the force was that he would be created by the sith master. u just admitted it.
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Darth Kevinmhk
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date Posted: Oct 17, 2005 8:30 PM
JediShemL:
Originally, when people considered Plagueis created Anakin's
idea, people mostly suspect due to The Rule of Two etc would
contradict it and Plagueis should die long before Anakin's birth.
Thus making Plagueis' case FALSE.
Then why in the Force George Lucas approved the release
of Vader: Ultimate Guide, regardless of its canon level, which
FILL UP THE PLOT HOLE OF RULE OF TWO and now
make it even more possible than before for Plagueis
created Anakin?????
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JediShemL Anakin Skywalker's Conception
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date Posted: Oct 17, 2005 9:54 PM
The will of the force was that he would be created by the sith master. u just admitted it.
What??? There is no mention that the will that the Sith would create Anakin. Quit being ridiculous. As Qui-Gon said... "Without the midi-chlorians, life could not exist and we would have no knowledge of the Force. They continually speak to us, telling us the will of the Force." I mention this in the blog.
Then why in the Force George Lucas approved the release of Vader: Ultimate Guide, regardless of its canon level
Why did Lucas approve of having Boba Fett come back? If you ask him, he says that Boba died in the sarlacc pit.
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spaz42088
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date Posted: Oct 17, 2005 10:35 PM
This idea of Plagus and Palpatine creating Anakin is just an example of SW fans with too much time on their hands. The living force created Anakin!!!! It was stated in EP I, so why do people insist on making up these silly theories. Sometimes a cake is just a cake.
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skywalker27199
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date Posted: Oct 22, 2005 6:59 PM
HAYDEN IS A HOTTIE!!!!!!!!!! I LOVE HAYDEN!!!!!!!!
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DarkHamlet
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date Posted: Nov 06, 2005 9:11 PM
Your writing skills are in dire need of improvement.
You repeat the same bits of information over and over, simply running on.
You pointlessly state the obvious.
& To top it all off...
"Why not train him from the beginning and breed him all his life to be a Sith Lord?"
How can you be dumb enough to misuse the word 'breed'?
To breed is to reproduce; or more simply for your simple mind, to breed is to have sex.
& One can only question why people openly lied to you about the quality of your post and so-called theory...
Also, there's far more to the saga than the movies.
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JediShemL Anakin Skywalker's Conception
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date Posted: Nov 06, 2005 9:20 PM
Oh, DarthHamlet, why didn't you just say you didn't agree with me instead of attacking me personally? Oh that's right, because you can't refute my blog, so you decided the only way to get at me is to attack me instead of my blog. What's the matter, can't figure it out how? You're a classless person who obviously has no respect for others.
One can only question why people openly lied to you about the quality of your post and so-called theory...
Because my blog makes great points, something you can't obviously understand or refute.
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darth_timeh
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date Posted: Nov 08, 2005 9:41 AM
A few comments on this blog:
1)error in the reasoning of this blog is to assume that Sids didn't start trainging Darth Maul before he killed Plagueis. Not unlike he, in a sense, started prep'ing Anakin to become DV.
2) Don't use time-line to refute creationism of Anakin by Plagueis. Remember, George had to go back and fill in alot of blanks. He set the stage for Episodes IV, V, & VI. But admittingly he didnot have complete stories For Episodes I, II, & III. For example 18-20 years had gone by and OB-1 went from in his 30's to in his 80's. OUCH! Tatoine was hard on the skin and hair-line.
3) The final jab: Watch ROTS with the commentary Rick M. states that the "Opera" scene discusses tha orgin of Anakin.
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darth_timeh
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date Posted: Nov 08, 2005 9:46 AM
Sorry, Tatooine!
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JediShemL Anakin Skywalker's Conception
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date Posted: Nov 08, 2005 2:11 PM
example 18-20 years had gone by and OB-1 went from in his 30's to in his 80's. OUCH
Not true. Obi-Wan was 38 or 39 in ROTS. He's 58 or 59 in ANH, not in his eighties. Where did you get that idea? Alec Guiness was 62 when he filmed his Kenobi scenes, so he's close to the age his character was.
error in the reasoning of this blog is to assume that Sids didn't start trainging Darth Maul before he killed Plagueis.
And I mentioned in the blog that there is only two Sith Lords at a time. Training Maul before Plagueis' death would break the rule.
Watch ROTS with the commentary Rick M. states that the "Opera" scene discusses tha orgin of Anakin.
He didn't say Plaguies created Anakin.
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darth_timeh
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date Posted: Nov 08, 2005 3:45 PM
Age thing: I was being facetious.
2 Sith Lords at a time. Don't you not think that Palpidious was training Anakin for his future role as a Sith prior to Dooku's death? In fact the books give us plenty of detail regarding Dooku's knowelegde of Sidious' plan to convert Anakin. My point Dooku wasn't protesting the idea of converting Anakin. What do think the plan was in ESB and ROTJ. Sids, DV and, what ever Luke was to become, makes three. I think the rules are ment to be broken by the Sith ...I guess it is in their nature.
"He didn't say Plaguies created Anakin.": Listen to the commentary and draw your own conclusions. What else would Rick be refering to other than the idea that Plagueis created Anakin?
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darth_timeh
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date Posted: Nov 08, 2005 4:39 PM
I answered my own question. Sid's likely never had any intension of keeping Vader if he was to convert Luke...not unlike that of Dooku and Vader. Therefore Sids has every intension of maintaing "Sith law." I concede that point.
I'm still curious to what you think about Rick's comments.
Late!
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peterpurin Star Wars Jesus Freak
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date Posted: Dec 13, 2005 10:10 AM
BTW, Star Wars is not the Bible, it is definately fallible. It is the greatest film story ever engineered, but engineered by a man who is human. Therefore he makes mistakes and the movies/ Eu have contradictions and mistakes.
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lovelucas
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date Posted: Feb 11, 2006 6:43 PM
i so agree with this concept ......(root word - conceive) -
it's important, at least to me and my embrace of what star wars means to me, to believe in the goodness of the spirituality that george lucas, in a very intentional, deliberate, enlightened and educational process, chose to incorporate into his myth for the 20th and 21st century. anakin, the chosen one, was born of the need to return to the light, to the good, to the truth.
and that's why i love this story so.
and i thank you JediShmL
LL
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MissPadme Miss Padme's Naboo Love Nest
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date Posted: Feb 11, 2006 8:03 PM
Nice entry! I think some fans are confusing EU and the opinions of some folks who are just speculating. The EU has changed and contradicted itself as well as the films over the years; you can't accept it as canon.
I think some fans want to believe Anakin was nothing but evil, fated to fall by his genes all along. I think that undermines Anakin's personal responsibility as well as his inherent goodness. It also taints Luke and Leia as essentially demon spawn. Somehow I don't think that's what Lucas intended at all.
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Fish1941
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date Posted: Jun 27, 2006 7:26 AM
Darth Maul was 22 years old at the time of his death in TPM. Which means that he was at least 13 years old at the time of Anakin's birth. Make what you will of this.
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Fish1941
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date Posted: Jun 28, 2006 11:16 AM
And i strongly belive that if Lucas truly intendeded Anakin to be created
by the Force itself, he would skip all this missleading stuff.
What "misleading stuff"? Where does it hint in the ROTS script that Sidious was trying to hint to Anakin that he had been created by a Sith Lord? Where in the scripts for TPM, AOTC and ROTS does it hint that Palpatine knew that Anakin had no father? Or that Anakin knew that no man had conceived him in the physical sense?
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