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by: MizzeeOH

date posted: Nov 12, 2007 8:24 PM | updated: Nov 12, 2007 8:28 PM

I Have A Thought....

Hey fellow Star Wars fans! Tonight I will be blogging about a recent thought I had about Episode 3.

My question: Who would've won if Obi-wan and Anakin were dueling on a more level planet, such as Tatooine? It seemed as if they were both equally matched before Obi-wan had the high ground, so it could've been possible for Anakin to win. Granted, Obi-wan was a Jedi Master, and a powerful one at that, but Anakin was also very powerful. He was, after all, the Chosen One.

They're Force powers were also equal, I think. Because, towards the beginning of the duel, they both tried to push each other with the Force, only to have themselves flying backwards because neither of them had bigger powers.

I think in the end, no matter what, Obi-wan would've won. But he would've had to fight really hard to do it.

Well, that concludes my blog. I picked the above picture because it fits perfectly with my blog.

May the Force be with you all!

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slow
Slow's Rebel Ramblings

date Posted: Nov 13, 2007 5:07 AM

I feel Obi still would have as well.

They are equally matched in terms of skill, hence the scene where they can't break through one another's defenses.

Anakin had the added power of the Dark Side, but I think Obi-Wan had been holding back ready to unleash his full fight if needed. He really didn't want to kill Anakin.

Along with Anakin's power in the Dark Side came his arrogance. This same arrogance defeated the Emperor. They get so caught up in 'self' that all else fades away.

Good entry!

Master Deireanach

date Posted: Nov 13, 2007 5:51 AM

Anakin was pushing Obiwan back most of the fight and is clearly the better swordsman, however Anakin's lack of focus was his downfall. Had he focused on the task at hand he would have easily dispatched Obi. As for skill and power Obi had more knowledge Anakin more raw power. I say if they were on flat ground Obi loses because the opportunity of the high ground advantage would not open up to him and Anakin would eventually where him down. Obiwan is so good because he waits for you to make a mistake Anakin on the other hand pressures you until he gets through. It's a tough call but as far as being evenly matched it's not even close Anakin is much more skilled Obiwan is much more focused and we see the result

MTFBWY

Master Deireanach

date Posted: Nov 13, 2007 6:02 AM

Also if you read the novel, Anakin had Obiwan beaten and was about to deal the death blow but Obiwan being so focused on the moment used the force to cause Anakin's mechanical arm to drop his lightsaber just as it was coming down on Obi. if you notice in the film when it cuts back from Yoda/Sidious Anakin doesn't have a lightsaber and he's got a hold of both of Obi's wrist's, the above is why. I'm not saying Obiwan couldn't win if they fought somewhere else but unless an opportunity like getting the high ground and Anakin being too cocky about it presents itself Obiwan wouldn't have a chance

	Smuggler Jedi Hokey Religions and A Good Blaster at My Side
date Posted: Nov 13, 2007 7:17 AM I think it is apparent that Anakin has more power, but I think Obi-wan was always more resourceful. Even on Tatooine or another setting, I think Obi-wan still wins.

	FAN4YRS A Rebel's Ramblings
date Posted: Nov 13, 2007 7:36 AM I don't get the whole "I have the high ground"-thing anyway. Why couldn't Anakin have successfully jumped and gotten the advantage on Old Ben? That's the problem with turning the Jedi into Superheroes (I didn't see them as that in the Original Trilogy and I liked it that way, because it made them vulnerable and therefore, realistic).

	Darth_Hiram A Journey into The Force
date Posted: Nov 13, 2007 9:33 AM I think Obi-Wan would win on whatever planet they fought on. Anakin allowed his emotions to blind his vision and his rational thinking. Obi always seemed to keep his cool (tough to do on Mustafar though!) and would rise above many situations he was in ... well, TPM excluded perhaps.

	usetheforce19 MasterMonkey13
date Posted: Nov 13, 2007 10:46 AM Obi-Wan would have won. He had an advantage over Anakin, not in Force powers or in strength and skill, but in being mentally calm. Anakin was full of rage which made him strong, but Obi-Wan had a clear mind and was able to use tactical moves to gain the high ground on Mustafar, and he would have been able to do the same anywhere else. MTFBWY! God bless!

Master Deireanach

date Posted: Nov 13, 2007 11:19 AM

FAN4YRS

The high ground means that your opponent has to come from a position where they can't attack without making themself vulnerable. The person below can't get to you to hit you without taking damage themsleves. That's why forts were always built on hills so the enemy had to come up hill to attack. Ever try running up the stairs when someone's standing at the top swinging a bat? It's almost impossible to over come the tactical advantage, Anakin was blinded to this by his belief in his new powers.

Aurin_Starkiller

date Posted: Nov 13, 2007 12:15 PM

Hmm...

Tis an interesting question. Anakin's rage and ability against Obi-Wan's focus and resourcefulness. I honestly couldn't tell you which one would win, only that if it wasn't for Obi-Wan's "high ground" advantage the battle would have gone on much longer. The two were pretty evenly matched in that fight, as demonstrated in the movie, and depending on the environment the fight could have been very different.

One interesting sidenote: without the lava, we don't have Ani's grievous injuries. Would the fight end in the death of the loser, or him being disabled by the victor in another fashion?

God Bless,

May the Force grant us wisdom...

	Aurin_Starkiller
date Posted: Nov 13, 2007 12:17 PM "on a more level planet, such as Tatooine?" Tatooine had hills-a-plenty, along with deep ravines and other interesting terrain.

JediMelindaWolf
Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.

date Posted: Nov 13, 2007 5:36 PM

Great thought.

I'd have to say Obi-wan would have won no matter what the terrain was like. Why? Because he truly was more powerful than Anakin. Anakin may have been the Chosen One (although I have my own opinion about that), but he couldn't channel his potential power to defeat Obi-wan at that point in their lives.

Let's not forget either that DV emerged victorious from their lightsaber battle in ANH because Obi-wan ceded the victory (of sorts) to DV. As Obi-wan said, "If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine." DV did not best Obi-wan, but rather took advantage of the offer Obi-wan offered.

MTFBWY

	MizzeeOH MagiKotor
date Posted: Nov 13, 2007 7:49 PM Thanks for the comments everyone! It seems as if the general consent is Obi-wan. As I stated in my blog, I do agree. But I did think that more people would think Anakin would win. May the Force be with you all!

Master Deireanach

date Posted: Nov 13, 2007 8:12 PM

Yeah I guess I'm the only one who thinks Anakin can win lol. I look at other duels that they were both involved in and Anakin is a much better swordsman. Look how Dooku totally owned Obiwan both times and Anakin made him actually have to concentrate the first time, though briefly, and then destroys Dooku the second. In all battle situations Anakin is superior. All I'm saying is that without a the opportunity of a tactical advantage, if they fought in an open arena Anakin wins the fight. If you look at all of Obiwans victories he's an opportunist, if the opportunity doesn't present itself he doesn't win. but that's just my opinion

	Granny-Wan I Am NOT an Old Fossil!
date Posted: Nov 14, 2007 12:49 AM If Anakin and Obi-wan were dueling on a different planet with level ground, would Obi-wan still have won? Yes. Anakin was arrogant and over confident. All Obi-Wan had to do was wait for him to make a mistake, and he had the patience that Anakin did not.

	Darth Henious4 We droids are made to suffer; it's are lot in life.
date Posted: Nov 18, 2007 5:12 PM An interesting question! I've often thought of this myself and have come to the conclusion that Anakin was the better swordsman. Throughout their battle on Mustafar, Anakin seemed to be the one in power. However, Obi-Wan was under alot of pressure. Imagine if your padawan, one you had trained since childhood, turned against you. How would you react?

	master sifo dum dum Jacen Solo post NJO
date Posted: Nov 19, 2007 11:36 AM Ever try running up the stairs when someone's standing at the top swinging a bat? well ya know the doctor told me to cut down on stair brawling after the first few attempts

master sifo dum dum
Jacen Solo post NJO

date Posted: Nov 19, 2007 11:37 AM

If Anakin and Obi-wan were dueling on a different planet with level ground, would Obi-wan still have won?

To be honest i still vote for Obi Wan to come out on top for the duel, he was much more grounded and centred in the force And as for not being a great swordsmen i have to disagree - Mace Windu described him as the master of his chosen form (soresu), he destroyed grievous' lightsabers having deflected stirkes out up to 18 strikes per second - coming from four separate blades (quoted from novelisation by stover) - sorry but i just can't see anakin managing that - he'd have been busted down chosen one or not - IMHO at least

	Fish1941
date Posted: Nov 19, 2007 12:38 PM I think in the end, no matter what, Obi-wan would've won. But he would've had to fight really hard to do it. How do you know this? Honestly. How do you know? Because you like the idea of Obi-Wan winning in his duel against Anakin? I doubt that anyone knows the answer to this question. Why pretend that we do?

Fish1941

date Posted: Nov 19, 2007 12:40 PM

To be honest i still vote for Obi Wan to come out on top for the duel, he was much more grounded and centred in the force And as for not being a great swordsmen i have to disagree - Mace Windu described him as the master of his chosen form (soresu), he destroyed grievous' lightsabers having deflected stirkes out up to 18 strikes per second - coming from four separate blades (quoted from novelisation by stover) -

I keep forgetting that Matt Stover's idealization of Obi-Wan is supposed to be the last word on the character. He may have believed that Obi-Wan was the best swordsman of his chosen form, but the movies had never varied this.

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