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 | Star Destroyer vs. the ENTERPRISE |
 The rules of this blog are very simple:
1. You may only use 1 version of the Enterprise, and that is Captain Kirks.
2. The Destroyer will be the Chimaera, (Thrawn optional) the destroyer with the highest efficiency rating in the Imperial fleet, and is of the MARK II class.
THERE ARE NO OTHER LIMITS
First, Size: The Enterprise Is Hundreds of meters long (If any one knows exactly...) The Chimaera is 1.2 kilometers long, or roughly 1 mile.
Star Wars wins battle of size... but bigger is not always better.
Second, Speed: The Enterprise can travel at Warp 9, with no idea on the sublight speeds (again...) A Star Destroyer can make Point Two past light speed (with the Falcons speed at Point Zero-Five)
No exact comparison, maybe about even, with Enterprise slightly faster.
Third, Fire Power: The Enterprise has 3 lasers that are very powerful, but can't fire together for more than 5 second (this from watching old StarTrek episodes on G4TV) as well as very powerful missles and several shuttle craft. The Chimaera has 60 Heavy Laser Cannons, 6 Heavy Turbolasers, 2 Heavy Ion Cannons, more light ion cannons and lasers, as well as missles and powerful Tractor Beam Projectors, that can grab the Enterprise and stop it cold, and 6 squadrons of TIE fighter craft, or 72 fighters.
I say pretty confidently that the Chimaera wins in the Weapons Department, although those steady lasers could really do some damage if unprepared for it.
Fourth, Sensors: I would just call this even all around, maybe one see's ####her, but the other see's clearer, that sort of thing.
Fifth, Shields: Again about the same. Enterprises shields are maybe a little stronger, but Chimaera's can reinforce a weak shield from a unhit area, (with TIE's swarming it, even if Enterprise could reinforce, it would be a fatal mistake)
I believe in a Slugging match, or any frontal assault(which is what StarTrek does, announce, then fight) the Chimaera would win.
BUT in an ambush, the Enterprise can use it's pin-point weapons to destroy the bridge, the so on and so on.
If any of you agree, disagree, (or just want to rant about how much better Star Wars is  ) feel free to post.
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http://blogs.starwars.com/Mando-Wookie/12 |
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jedi_master_nichole
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date Posted: Jun 26, 2007 11:24 PM
Good blog, I'm not into ST but it was interesting. How come you didn't just type the word "####her" in the first place?
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jedi_master_nichole
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date Posted: Jun 26, 2007 11:29 PM
How come that word doesn't show up?
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ahuggins
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date Posted: Jun 27, 2007 1:25 AM
Actually, I am a star wars fan far before a tekkie but warp speed is light speed so the enterprise would be traveling at 9 times the speed of light. And I would have to say the sheilding if better on the enterprise as it blocks everything whereas as far as I know the Star destroyer only stops energy weapons, not physical attacks (missles). And with transporter technology which star wars doesnt have they could simply beam the fighter pilots or crew from the ship into the vacuum of space.
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ahuggins
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date Posted: Jun 27, 2007 1:26 AM
Agaib I prefer Star wars far more than Star trek but star trek has alot of wayyy out there super high tech stuff which is extremely unrealistic compared to star wars
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JawaJoey
Return of the Jawa
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date Posted: Jun 27, 2007 2:10 AM
I think the compliment of TIE fighters really gives the ISD an advantage. The Enterprise can't effectively kill them, and can't arrange their shields to be strongest in one area because they'd be hit from everywhere. Shuttlecraft have nothing on a TIE fighter. I don't think they even have weapons, and nowhere near the maneuverability.
Transporters is a good point. 2 things, though:
1) An ISD is filled with trained soldiers, and could surely defend against a Federation boarding party.
2) In ST, shields inhibit transport. It's fair to assume that a ISD's shields would inhibit it too. (I forget if in ST they can even beam out through their own shields)
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CHEWBACA937
Who said Wookies can't be Mandalorians
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date Posted: Jun 27, 2007 4:35 AM
Another fact is that their sensors are devoloped for BIG combat, i.e. Ship-to-Ship. I seriously doubt they can lock on to a Ultra-Fast and manuaverable starfighter. Second is that they have no extra weapons with wich to attack the fighters (Which also includes BOMBERS intended to bring down big ships.) Another edge is Ion Cannon technology. Nowhere in StarTrek have I seen its equal. There shields would shrink at a much faster rate. Also, bringing up shields, a Imperial Star Destroyer has Ray Shields (i.e. Lasers) AND Particle Shilelds (i.e. Missles) If they did not, every stray asteroid would do massive damage to the ship.
Answer all your arguements
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CHEWBACA937
Who said Wookies can't be Mandalorians
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date Posted: Jun 27, 2007 4:40 AM
Don't forget that there Transporter also needs a signal to lock onto, and to lock on to that signal, impossible to do from my point of view. (And the Transporter can't get through shields, they just open a small hole I think)
There, that answer all your Questions
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Lord Harald
The Council of Evil
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date Posted: Jun 27, 2007 6:21 AM
No exact comparison, maybe about even, with Enterprise slightly faster.
No way, I read somewhere that ST ships use weeks, months or even years to travel across the galaxy. I'm under the impression that hyperspace travels take maximum a few days.
Perhaps the Enterprise is faster in real space.
You should check out www.stardestroyer.net, it answers all the questions about size and weapons. It even calculates a possible results of a potential war between The Empire and the Federation. And different versions of battles. Everything results in a crushing Imperial victory ![]:)](http://blogs.starwars.com/share/img/emoticons/devil.gif)
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JawaJoey
Return of the Jawa
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date Posted: Jun 27, 2007 11:31 AM
The thing about the engines, though, is that IIRC, ST ships can fight at Warp. In the Original Series, I think fights regularly took place at Warp Speeds, but that isn't so in other versions.
So even though Hyperdrive is much faster than Warp, Warp has the advantage in actual combat. In Hyperspace, a SW ship can't interact with the galaxy at all (except for communication?).
But in SW it is confusing, because there's no way the Falcon could make it from the Hoth Asteroid field to a completely different Star System at sublight speeds in anything less than a lifetime. What is the explanation for that, anyways?
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JawaJoey
Return of the Jawa
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date Posted: Jun 27, 2007 11:43 AM
Hmm. They probably cobbled together the hyperdrive to work long enough to get them to Bespin (at some slower speed) without really fixing it.
I seriously doubt they can lock on to a Ultra-Fast and manuaverable starfighter.
There are examples in ST of ships locking onto faster small things just fine (although not as small as TIEs). The bigger problem is number of guns. They can't waste 100 shots on TIE fighters with an ISD in their face, not with their crappy fire rate.
But with 10,000 Star Destroyers made (I read all these facts Somewhere...) They could just throw a fleet at a single ship, no problem so...
That's the #1 reason Empire would beat Federation, sheer magnitude, but ISD vs Enterprise is different.
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darkclone#1
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date Posted: Jun 27, 2007 11:33 PM
Return of the Jawa! your numbers on the Star Destroyers built is a little bit off! ... well, depends when you are taking your information from? if you are going from Legacy series then I would give it a number around.... almost 100,000 maybe even more! Trust me! their are over 20 classes of known Star Destroyers. And some still that dont have a huge data base either. But Since I specailize in Star Destroyers, I will go ahead and give the Win to SW, though I will say that the Enterprise does have speed over a Star Destroyers! Without A doubt in the later models of the Enterprise! Im not going to lie, even though this is about the 2nd gen Enterprise and the 2nd class SD.
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darkclone#1
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date Posted: Jun 27, 2007 11:33 PM
the Newest class of Enterprise I think, can only have a real challenge against a SSD. Sorry I know IM a huge SW fan, I dont even like ST but I do know those ships on both sides. And I have a feeling that it would have a huge problem!
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Captain Peabody
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date Posted: Jun 28, 2007 8:38 AM
Fighters (in my opinion), would be next to useless against the Enterprise. As JawaJoey says, Federation Starships have demonstrated ability to track and target small, fast objects such as fighters (even objects in warp speed). And, again in my opinion, TIEs just don't have the firepower necessary to be able to do much more than serve as distractions for the 'mothership'. That, combined with their complete lack of shields, would make them nothing more than sitting ducks; in my opinion, they'd get picked off like flies.
Just my thoughts.....
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darkclone#1
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date Posted: Jun 28, 2007 11:20 AM
see! even though I like this argument alot! there are alot of variables that are being left out! like what time line this is being pulled from? like if we are talking about the most recent in SW history, like in the LOTF series Tie fighters have shields and the Imperial class II is practically out of date and is being replaced by the Galaxy class if you are the GA, im not sure about the IR though? I think they still produce it? I know that the Chiss have their own mysterious class SD which might as well be Imperial class III.
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Corranhorn8
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date Posted: Jun 28, 2007 8:56 PM
I agree with Lord Harald. Go to stardestroyer.net.
Another thing; the Star Wars craft have two types of shielding, concussion shields and ray shields. The concussion shields are always up to prevent micro-meterors from damaging the hull too much. They are always up and defend against missile attacks too. The statistic of the shields not being able to stop a missile weapon was used only in the Empire at War game to even the playing field.
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Corranhorn8
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date Posted: Jun 28, 2007 8:57 PM
I agree with Lord Harald. Go to stardestroyer.net.
Another thing; the Star Wars craft have two types of shielding, concussion shields and ray shields. The concussion shields are always up to prevent micro-meterors from damaging the hull too much. They are always up and defend against missile attacks too. The statistic of the shields not being able to stop a missile weapon was used only in the Empire at War game to even the playing field.
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Corranhorn8
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date Posted: Jun 28, 2007 9:01 PM
Captain Peabody, have you ever tried to hit a fly dead out of the air? It's nigh impossible.
As for the Enterprise, it is severely outclassed and out-gunned. Admitedly, by gift of its sheer size it could indeed cause some damage to the Star Destroyer in an ambush, but the Star Destroyer would still kill in simply because there is so much Star Destroyer to hit. Even a direct hit on the bridge wouldn't stop it because the Imperials can get the auxilary bridge up and running in five minutes.
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Corranhorn8
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date Posted: Jun 28, 2007 9:12 PM
Their clear chain of command would assure that there would be no power vacuums. The next person in line would take control.
Ship-to-ship; no contest. Reading from my "New Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels" (which is canon by the way, unlike its ST conterpart): The Kuat Drive Yards Imperial Mark I-Class Star Destroyer has 60 Taim & Bak XX-9 Turbolasers equiped with advanced targeting technoloy for use against starfighters, Sixty Borstel NK-7 Ion cannons (For disabling ships and devistating shields), 10 Phylon Q7 tractor beam projectors, and Six each massive Heavy Turbolasers and Heavy Ion cannons, each almost as large as the Tantive IV.
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Corranhorn8
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date Posted: Jun 28, 2007 9:20 PM
Quoting from "Star Wars incredible Cross-Sections" in reference to the Heavy Turbolasers:
"Fifty meters in diameter, these turbolasers can overload deflector shields and punch holes in the most heavily armored spacecraft."
The new essential guide says that the Sienar Fleet Systems 1-a2b solar ioniation reactor can power everything onboard the Destroyer at full power with a substantial reserve. So, if you hear any fleet commander say, "All power to forward batteries," you can bet there is some massive power being released.
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Corranhorn8
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date Posted: Jun 28, 2007 9:30 PM
Keep in mind that these figures are for the origianl Imperial Class; the first of its kind. The Chimera is a Mark II with all the upgrades. It is more than twice as powerful as the Mark I.
The New essential Guide states that the Star Destroyer can hit 2,300 G in regular travel. I suppose that it pretty fast, and I assume that it means that without the inertia compensators, the crew would be pushed to the back of the ship with the force of over 2,000 G's. Could Someone please tell me hpw fast they would have to go to achieve this?
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Corranhorn8
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date Posted: Jun 28, 2007 9:35 PM
Now for the amount of troops it carries: The Star Destroyer has 9,700 Stormtroopers, 72 Tie fighters, 20 AT-ATs, 30 AT-STs, and an assortment of barges, gunboats, transports, shuttles, and skipray blastboats.
All in all, I think it is no contest. The Enterprise wouldn't stand a chance. It would be vaporized within a few shots.
Of course, according to Stardestroyer.net (and that guy really knows what he's talking about), the Slave I outclasses the Enterprise...
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Corranhorn8
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date Posted: Jun 28, 2007 9:41 PM
I almost forgot; the Star Destroyer carries many, many proton torpedo lauch tubes, concussion missile tubes, ect.
Another thing; the Hyperspace speed record is a little messed up. The faster you go, the lower your number gets. For example, the Falcon, with a speed of .5 is faster than the Star Destroyer with a speed of 2.0.
The mesurment system is not "Lightspeed". Hyperspace is something completely different. It is much, much faster than light. It is only refered to as "light speed" because of the way people speed past the stars. It is a lazy definition.
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ahuggins
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date Posted: Jun 29, 2007 1:50 AM
Umm in every movie I can think of each time the bridge was destroyed on a ISD it rendered it pretty much usless. Most lost control and the Executor crashed into the death star 2 after its bridge was destroyed. Ive always thought it funny how ISD all have the bridge sticking out from the rest of the ships profile, almost saying "I'm over here shoot me". And if were talking the Enterprise from next gen perhaps its separation ability would cause problems for the ISD having 2 targets??. Then again the Eterprise is mostly full of civilians and families whereas an ISD is all troops. More likely as soon as it looked lost the Enterprise would run to save their own families on board.
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Corranhorn8
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date Posted: Jun 29, 2007 9:26 AM
You only saw a bridge destroyed once.
The Executor was too close to the Death Star and was just manuvering when it was hit. The ensuing short-circuit rammed them into the Death Star before the secondary bridge was hooked up.
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Corranhorn8
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date Posted: Jun 29, 2007 9:43 AM
Let's go by the numbers; The Enterprise has three heavy weapons and one torpedo launcher. The Mark II Destroyer has sixty heavy weapons and at least six torpedo tubes.
If it came to a fight, the Enterprise wouldn't even have a chance to run. They would be vaporized in the first salvo.
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Corranhorn8
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date Posted: Jul 01, 2007 9:05 PM
And we have to remember; in this argument, there are no variables. The Chimaera, an Imperial Mark II Star Destroyer under command of Grand Admiral Thrawn (a massive bonus all by itself), versus the Enterprise under command of Captain Kirk.
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CHEWBACA937
Who said Wookies can't be Mandalorians
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date Posted: Jul 04, 2007 5:07 PM
The fact that Grand Admiral Thrawn could probaly wipe out a boarding crew all by himself (which he has done before, when he was re-discovered by agent's of Palpatine) it is REALLY a moot point when it comes to a craft captained by him versus ANY craft so I will not correct anything about his ability's. Remember "Everything you heard about him... its true."
However...
1. Even if they can track the TIE fighters, they don't have any firepower to waste on them.
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CHEWBACA937
Who said Wookies can't be Mandalorians
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date Posted: Jul 04, 2007 5:14 PM
(cont.)
2. TIE fighters are designed to attack en masse. They work best with 5 other squads with them.
3. They don't just carry TIE/in 's (classic), they also carry Extra-Crispy (Bombers, DESIGNED to take down "the Big Boys")
4. The speed lists in The NEW Guide to Vehicles & Vessels is not entirely accurate.
It is based on what the author feels the vessels go at. Some are in books or the movies but the others they just sort of guessed at.
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Corranhorn8
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date Posted: Jul 04, 2007 6:35 PM
No, sometimes the speed listings are always exactly accurate, but they are pretty darn close. I must remind you that, unlike Star Trek, Lucas Arts has an entire department dedicated to mantaining the Star Wars 'canon'. Any officially published materials pass through this department first. They back check every paragraph using their massive database containing everything ever published (and a lot that never was). The mistakes they make are simply statistical in nature; it is inevitable that they not find every mistake.
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Corranhorn8
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date Posted: Jul 04, 2007 6:35 PM
No, sometimes the speed listings are always exactly accurate, but they are pretty darn close. I must remind you that, unlike Star Trek, Lucas Arts has an entire department dedicated to mantaining the Star Wars 'canon'. Any officially published materials pass through this department first. They back check every paragraph using their massive database containing everything ever published (and a lot that never was). The mistakes they make are simply statistical in nature; it is inevitable that they not find every mistake.
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Corranhorn8
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date Posted: Jul 04, 2007 6:36 PM
No, sometimes the speed listings are always exactly accurate, but they are pretty darn close. I must remind you that, unlike Star Trek, Lucas Arts has an entire department dedicated to mantaining the Star Wars 'canon'. Any officially published materials pass through this department first. They back check every paragraph using their massive database containing everything ever published (and a lot that never was). The mistakes they make are simply statistical in nature; it is inevitable that they not find every mistake.
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Corranhorn8
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date Posted: Jul 04, 2007 6:36 PM
And the Star Destroyer figure is completely accurate.
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