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 | A call for cancellation |
They should of left it alone.
We didn't need another Star Wars film, and yet here it is, in all it's crappiness.
If you couldn't tell, I hate the Clone Wars.
First of all, they warped the theme. HOW CAN YOU RUIN JOHN WILLIAMS???? IT SHOULD BE ILLEGALL!!!!!!!!
They opening of the film played out like a HoloNet News Report! And then came the battle, which I am nominating for stupidest battle in the Star Wars universe. And what kinds of names are those anyways for planets? Christophis and Teth are the stupidest planet names ever. The humor was corny, Anakin and Ahsoka had dumb nicknames for each other, and the plot was stupid. And they had voice overs for all but 3 of the characters. And an alien can't have an Irish accent. And oh yeah, there was a gay alien.
They need to leave that kind of stuff out of Star Wars, especially in a kid's show. Oh, and I looked him up on Wookieepedia, and it says that Ziro the Hutt's gender is a masculine personality, so he technically isn't Jabba's uncle or aunt. He's his relative.
And worst of all, it didn't fit in at all with Star Wars continuity. George says it takes place early in the Clone Wars and Anakin was not a Jedi till a little bit before the end of the Clone Wars, so none of this works out at all. I guess they can make a new type of canon, called F-canon, Filoni Canon, which thinks it can just sit down wherever it likes. Oh look, there is Episode 2 and Episode 3, so I'll just sit down right between them wherever I please. Oh look, now it's going to sit down in the Yuuzhan Vong War. No w2 wars are going on at the same time.
I do not expect much from Dave Filoni in the future. And I am probably going to call for cancellation of the TV show, though no one will listen.
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comanderbly
That's Impossible. Even for a Computer.
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date Posted: Aug 19, 2008 12:57 PM
And oh yeah, there was a gay alien. They need to leave that kind of stuff out of Star Wars
No they don't. And there is no statement to that fact - that was your interpretation. Either way there is room for everyone.
Oh, and I looked him up on Wookieepedia, and it says that Ziro the Hutt's gender is a masculine personality, so he technically isn't Jabba's uncle or aunt.
Hutt's do not have a gender - they are asexual, check the data bank. Wookieepedia is not a totally reliable source since anyone can be an editor.
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comanderbly
That's Impossible. Even for a Computer.
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date Posted: Aug 19, 2008 1:03 PM
I did not like the clone wars (and not to the same degree) - but for different reasons. I do agree that there are some issues regarding the cannon, but those things always get worked out as time goes on. 
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kyle228
Truly Wonderful, the Mind of a Child Is...
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date Posted: Aug 19, 2008 1:09 PM
And oh yeah, there was a gay alien. They need to leave that kind of stuff out of Star Wars
Well there's a pretty condescending comment if I've ever heard one! I agree with commanderbly - and asexual beings can't even be gay, so I don't have a problem with Ziro at all.
And an alien can't have an Irish accent.
Says who?
They opening of the film played out like a HoloNet News Report!
I think that was the point.
I think you're reading way to much into this film... it was fun, action-packed, and I think a great addition to the Saga - despite some of it's shortcomings. (it seems to me that you had too great of expectations!)
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usetheforce19
MasterMonkey13
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date Posted: Aug 19, 2008 3:43 PM
I agree with commanderbly - and asexual beings can't even be gay, so I don't have a problem with Ziro at all.
True.
Seems like you hated it. To enjoy it I had to expand my view. The movie was definitely different and didn't at all compare to the 6 movies. But it was fun.
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caledre
If There's A Bright Center To The Universe...
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date Posted: Aug 19, 2008 3:45 PM
Keep in mind that it wasn't intended to be a feature film either. WB just pushed for a theatrical release. I maintain it would've played out a little better on the small screen. People I saw it with said it didn't add anything to the series - it's not technically part of the film series, just a kind've expansion, like a novel or a comic.
I liked the HoloNet News/serial opening and yeah, Hutts can't be gay. I think the point was Ziro was a hedonist - but I did a big defense of the character on my blog, so I won't put more here. I've exhausted that subject.
As to the Irish (Scottish actually) accent, Obi Wan technically has a British accent - but in the context of SW, it's a Coruscanti accent.
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FAN4YRS
A Rebel's Ramblings
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date Posted: Aug 19, 2008 3:51 PM
I agree with much of what you wrote. But by far the VERY worst nickname was Artoowie. I will never live that down.
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Yodawolz20
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date Posted: Aug 19, 2008 5:27 PM
Well said. Me and my brother couldn't agree more. Filoni is the most incompetent, idiotic director I have ever known. He couldn't care less about screwing up existing Clone Wars cannon.
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Ke Knivek
Reflections of a Middle Aged Star Wars Junkie.
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date Posted: Aug 19, 2008 6:56 PM
Forget your problems with continuity. Lucas has final say on any and all story lines, so if you are trying to bash Filoni... bash his editing or directing, but continuity and story has little to do with him.
As far as your concern with John Williams and the Holonet style opening... it's a NEW Star Wars. If you want the old style, watch the old movies. In fact, watch the Cartoon Network series again... you may be surprised what you hear. The Cartoon Network series was total genius. I believe this may be able to get there, but it only time will tell.
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leia19886
Someone get this big walking carpet out of my way ...
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date Posted: Aug 19, 2008 7:31 PM
I think you are reading way tooo much into the movie. It's ment for little kids and adults who are still kids at heart.
I liked the movie. I took it for what it is: a way to introduce the Series on Cartoon Network.
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DJ Maul: Got Feet?
DJ Maul's Dancin' Cantina Party
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date Posted: Aug 20, 2008 6:20 AM
I thought it was a fun movie....not BRILLIANT but still a good time.
to quote the MST3K theme song: "...just repeat to yourself its just a show, you should really just relax..."
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mastersaurkon
The Four Nerf Herders of the Apocalypse
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date Posted: Aug 20, 2008 11:11 AM
I think you are reading way tooo much into the movie.
Well I think you are reading way tooo much into my blog entry.
As to the Irish (Scottish actually) accent, Obi Wan technically has a British accent - but in the context of SW, it's a Coruscanti accent.
I was talking about the alien general on Christophis.
As far as your concern with John Williams and the Holonet style opening... it's a NEW Star Wars.
Do you guys have no appreciation for the musical genius of John Williams? And do you have no appreciation for the crawl that is such a part of Star Wars as The Force?
cannon
Canon, as in timeline, is not spelled like the weapon cannon.
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mastersaurkon
The Four Nerf Herders of the Apocalypse
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date Posted: Aug 20, 2008 11:14 AM
it seems to me that you had too great of expectations!)
Your are wrong. Mine, as many others, were low.
Hutt's do not have a gender - they are asexual
Yes but he was still a drag queen.
Forget your problems with continuity. Lucas has final say on any and all story lines, so if you are trying to bash Filoni... bash his editing or directing, but continuity and story has little to do with him.
Then George needs a wake up call.
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Skywalker's Fury
If nobody hears a tree fall in the forest - does it make a sound?
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date Posted: Aug 20, 2008 3:52 PM
Good luck with that call.
LOL
And oh yeah, there was a gay alien
Hutt's do not have a gender - they are asexual, check the data bank.
Well I don't know about all that asexual stuff..... But I know a Homo-Hutt when I see one! lol It seems like everybody missed the point. GL himself said that the Clone Wars movie is to revive the old fun spirit of Star Wars for people who aren't dedicated fans like we are.
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Skywalker's Fury
If nobody hears a tree fall in the forest - does it make a sound?
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date Posted: Aug 20, 2008 3:59 PM
I'm not judging expectations, but that's the one I went in with. That it was going to be light. Funny. Simple. And I walked out satisfied. To me - I'm kinda weird though (lol) - because of the expectations I had - it was a riot! I didn't know what was going to happen next, cuz it was anybody's ball game! And when the (in my opinion) homo-hutt came out...... I paused as I digested it - and then I broke out laughing cuz it was so random and unexpected!! Only in Star Wars can you get such a wonderful mix and have it come out alright. Calm down guys! lol
It's still Star Wars!! And it was also used (as caledre said) as a theatrical push. The point isn't the movie. It's the following tv series 
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Qui-Gon Reborn
The Fifth Dimension
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date Posted: Aug 20, 2008 5:43 PM
HOW CAN YOU RUIN JOHN WILLIAMS???? IT SHOULD BE ILLEGALL!!!!!!!!
Actually, I really enjoyed the music. No, it wasn't pure John Williams, but it was a breath of fresh air!
Christophis and Teth are the stupidest planet names ever.
Why do you say that? They're no different from any other SW planet names!
The humor was corny, Anakin and Ahsoka had dumb nicknames for each other, and the plot was stupid.
The humor wasn't so bad, and I actually found a lot of the battle droid conversations really funny!
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Qui-Gon Reborn
The Fifth Dimension
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date Posted: Aug 20, 2008 5:46 PM
And an alien can't have an Irish accent.
Mastersaurkon, I really hate to be negative, because I respect the opinions of everyone here on the blogs, and they really make me think, and laugh, and see Star Wars in a new, often different light, but I think you're sort of stepping out of line here. Now, don't get me wrong, you have every right to critisize anything you want. Heck, I do it all the time. But when you start saying things like this, I think you're going a bit far. That's just my humble opinion, but I'm certain other bloggers feel that way, too.
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Qui-Gon Reborn
The Fifth Dimension
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date Posted: Aug 20, 2008 5:51 PM
Obi-Wan has a British accent, Anakin has a slight Canadian accent, Palpatine has a minor Scottish/British accent, Nemodians were meant to have a slight Asian accent, and the list goes on and on. What's wrong with an Irish accent? Are you aware that Liam Neeson (Qui-Gon) is Irish?
And oh yeah, there was a gay alien. They need to leave that kind of stuff out of Star Wars.
Whoa there, ner vod! You really need to leave your personal feelings about these sorts of matters out of this. I agree wholeheartedly with the other bloggers. This is your interpretation. My personal opinion can go either way, so I'm not claiming to support or condemn anyone.
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Qui-Gon Reborn
The Fifth Dimension
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date Posted: Aug 20, 2008 5:56 PM
But I know something for sure. SW is for everybody, regardless of who they are or what they do, if they're willing to give something to the galaxy far, far away, we're willing to welcome them aboard.
The Clone Wars was never intended to be another A New Hope or Revenge of the Sith. It was supposed to be a fun little film designed to introduce a new tv series, and introduce a new generation to the magic of Star Wars.
You are really reading way too much into what was just a fun movie. I mean, no, you're no going to find the answers to the universe in this movie, but it is entertaining. And I do believe that in the future, you should show a little more respect when stating your opinions. 
May the Force be with you.
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comanderbly
That's Impossible. Even for a Computer.
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date Posted: Aug 20, 2008 6:00 PM
Yes but he was still a drag queen.
Uh yeah I think you missed my point.
And when the (in my opinion) homo-hutt came out...... I paused as I digested it - and then I broke out laughing cuz it was so random and unexpected!!
Uh oooookkkkkkk. Skywalker's Fury. ok.
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Merryman-Lyon
A Wild Bantha Chase
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date Posted: Aug 20, 2008 6:01 PM
Do you guys have no appreciation for the musical genius of John Williams? And do you have no appreciation for the crawl that is such a part of Star Wars as The Force?
You hate this film right? You love Williams work, right? I would think that you wouldn't want to have Williams work tarnished by having it play before this horrible film.
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GalacticBabe
I Have a Bad Feeling About This!
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date Posted: Aug 20, 2008 7:31 PM
Wow...harsh!
It was a fun kids' movie. My 4 year old grandson liked it, and so did the three 30ish year old men that sat in front of us.
A round of chill pills for everyone!
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Krash
Shadow 12 standing by!
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date Posted: Aug 20, 2008 10:00 PM
A round of chill pills for everyone!
Amen to that!
I think David Filoni did an amazing job of taking a well-known franchise like Star Wars... and made it FUN again! And with all due respct to the music of John Williams, if you don't think adding guitar riffs in the middle of a SW battle scene like in "Battle of Teth"... check your pulse.
Then George needs a wake up call.
No, you just need a nap about as bad as "stinky" did 
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caledre
If There's A Bright Center To The Universe...
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date Posted: Aug 21, 2008 1:51 AM
As to the Irish (Scottish actually) accent, Obi Wan technically has a British accent - but in the context of SW, it's a Coruscanti accent.
I was talking about the alien general on Christophis.
Yeah the General. He had a Scottish accent. My point is in the SW universe it's not a Scottish accent, it's a (whatever planet he's from) accent. The same as how in sword and sandal movies the Romans usually sound British and the Hebrews/Christians sound American. In SW, Corellian accents are American, Coruscanti are British, Jamaican are Gungan, Asian are Nemoidian.
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mastersaurkon
The Four Nerf Herders of the Apocalypse
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date Posted: Aug 21, 2008 12:32 PM
Face the facts people. It was bad. I know it was designed for kids but it was still bad. Rotten Tomatoes gave it 30%, the worst of any Star Wars film.
The Clone Wars is the new Holiday Special in my mind and Ziro the Hutt is the new Jar Jar Binks. Who would base a SW character off of Truman Capote?
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mastersaurkon
The Four Nerf Herders of the Apocalypse
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date Posted: Aug 21, 2008 12:35 PM
if you don't think adding guitar riffs in the middle of a SW battle scene like in "Battle of Teth"... check your pulse.
Dude, seriously, if you're gonna add riffs, you gotta turn up the volume and pump it up. I could barely even hear them okay. And your also saying that Star Wars isn't fun anymore?
I just hope the live-action series will redeem this, because it will, because it isn't animated or manga-ish and it will actually put the used universe back in the Star Wars Universe.
Oh did anybody notice that the Magna Guards starfighters were Utapuan starfighters?
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Qui-Gon Reborn
The Fifth Dimension
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date Posted: Aug 21, 2008 1:34 PM
On the Force.net, a TCU poll was taken, and, as you can see, most people enjoyed it!
Masteraurkon, I really think you missed what everybody is trying to say, and the more you talk, the more you sound insulting. I think apologies are definately in order.
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mastersaurkon
The Four Nerf Herders of the Apocalypse
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date Posted: Aug 22, 2008 11:00 AM
No you are wrong QGR. This is what always happens when people try to give honest reviews. Do you want me to lie about what I think? I think I should be the one to recieve the apology. I gave an honest review and then all of you guys come parading in thinking you can order me around and saying that what I think is wrong.
You guys are racist against Wookiees.
And I am not most people.
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caledre
If There's A Bright Center To The Universe...
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date Posted: Aug 22, 2008 9:51 PM
Whoa! Ease up jedi_dude77!
The guy's got his opinion and he's entitled to it, same as we are of ours'.
I'm a bit of a Star Wars apologist, I guess. My final word is it's not the best thing in the world of SW, but it's not Jar Jar. Even he's starting to grow on me a little.
That is all!
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Qui-Gon Reborn
The Fifth Dimension
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date Posted: Aug 22, 2008 11:16 PM
No you are wrong QGR.
Like I said before, I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with anyone giving any opinion that they like! I've read other review of TCW that I didn't agree with, but I simply stated my point of view, and respected theirs, and we both agreed to disagree and went about our buisness! That's it. I didn't insult them or anyone else, and they didn't insult me or anyone else.
You, however, are taking the wrong approach. It is not merely an approach that I personally don't agree with, but it is morally and ethically wrong.
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Qui-Gon Reborn
The Fifth Dimension
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date Posted: Aug 22, 2008 11:19 PM
(cont'd)
You have specifically directed insults at particular individuals, including:
1. HOW CAN YOU RUIN JOHN WILLIAMS????
2. Christophis and Teth are the stupidest planet names ever.
3. The humor was corny, Anakin and Ahsoka had dumb nicknames for each other, and the plot was stupid.
4. And oh yeah, there was a gay alien.
5. They need to leave that kind of stuff out of Star Wars, especially in a kid's show.
6. I do not expect much from Dave Filoni in the future.
7. And an alien can't have an Irish accent.
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Qui-Gon Reborn
The Fifth Dimension
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date Posted: Aug 22, 2008 11:23 PM
Yes, you are entitled to your opinion, but there is a way to say certain things so that you get your point across, but no one is left with damaged feelings. Specifically attacking certain individuals is not the way.
And I know that others feel the same as I do. It is not just me. But I am willing to tell you how it is. I am trying to be as respectful as possible, but it's hard! Earlier on you wrote a blog dedicated to telling people to put you on their blog roll. FIrst of all, this is not some kind of popularity contest. This is a community, and if you can't reciprocate , you can leave.
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Qui-Gon Reborn
The Fifth Dimension
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date Posted: Aug 22, 2008 11:27 PM
Now, I'm not saying that you should leave. I'm saying that instead of worrying about being on people's blog rolls, you need to concentrate on delivering material this is respectful, while still expressing your view as a Star Wars fan. Then, you can earn your way onto blog rolls. People would place you onto a blog roll if you deserved it, and if you were both respectful and honest. And people will appreciate it, too. I know I will.
And I don't think anyone here is racist (except, maybe, toward Ewoks ![]:)](http://blogs.starwars.com/share/img/emoticons/devil.gif) ) and Chewie is awesome. But you made some insulting comments, yourself. And you need to accept responsibility for that.
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Qui-Gon Reborn
The Fifth Dimension
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date Posted: Aug 22, 2008 11:28 PM
In addition, if you start talking about polls and such, expect some people to throw polls right back at you.
Now, I don't mean to preach at you. I'm just telling you how it is. 'Cause that's what Qui-Gon would have done, and I feel that it's my duty to do so.
May the Force be with you.
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mastersaurkon
The Four Nerf Herders of the Apocalypse
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date Posted: Aug 23, 2008 11:33 AM
jedi_dude77 I have my opinion, you have yours, so leave me alone.
And now I feel that you guys need to hear something from a Bon Jovi song. It's my life, it's now or never, cause I ain't gonna live forever. It's my life, I have my opinion, you don't need to criticize it. And you especially don't need to bash my previous entrys.
And just to tell QGR, Rotten Tomatoes isn't a poll. It get's all the critics reviews and puts them together. And this time I actually agree with the critics.
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mastersaurkon
The Four Nerf Herders of the Apocalypse
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date Posted: Aug 23, 2008 11:34 AM
Oh and about the whole Hutt's being asexual, how can Rhoda be Jabba's son and Ziro Jabba's uncle if there is no gender? These are terms exclusive to males, which proves my point. Ziro is gay.
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Z-score
The Star Wars Uncle
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date Posted: Aug 23, 2008 1:54 PM
Yes, you are entitled to your opinion, but there is a way to say certain things so that you get your point across, but no one is left with damaged feelings. Specifically attacking certain individuals is not the way.
I don't see how anyone could possibly have hurt feelings from this blog.
And an Irish accent doesn't make much sense for a droid, unless all droids of the same make and model had the same accent. I suppose they could be programmed with a variety of different accents, but as far as I know there is nothing to indicate that.
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Qui-Gon Reborn
The Fifth Dimension
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date Posted: Aug 23, 2008 1:54 PM
The Four Nerf Herders of the Apocalypse? Nice title! I like it better than Chewbacca for Prez.
Listen, man, I don't want to sit here and argue with you forever. You said what you wanted to say, and I said what I wanted to say, and nobody can change what we think. I'm finished with you, and I'm not gonna waste my time anymore. I can only hope that you know what you're doing.
May the Force be with you.
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comanderbly
That's Impossible. Even for a Computer.
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date Posted: Aug 26, 2008 7:48 AM
Wow, I wondered if this was still going.
Oh and about the whole Hutt's being asexual, how can Rhoda be Jabba's son and Ziro Jabba's uncle if there is no gender? These are terms exclusive to males, which proves my point. Ziro is gay.
I'll break it down for you.
1. No where does anyone say that Ziro is gay. That is a decision you made based on what you saw on screen. If you do not see an issue with making these kinds of snap judgements - fine. My only point was that you may want to reconsider.
Cont.
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comanderbly
That's Impossible. Even for a Computer.
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date Posted: Aug 26, 2008 7:48 AM
2. You said And oh yeah, there was a gay alien. They need to leave that kind of stuff out of Star Wars
That kind of statement, like #1, implies you have a problem with a gay alien. I find it odd that a star wars fan would feel that way. The empire was xenophobic. There is a message in Star Wars that this kind of thinking is not right.
And if you read the EU, check out the Mandalorian Goran Beviin. Who is he married to?
I have nothing against you, nothing against your opinions or your blog. But I feel its important to respond to these points. This is the last time I will speak about this matter.
MTFBWY
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Krash
Shadow 12 standing by!
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date Posted: Aug 27, 2008 9:52 PM
And your also saying that Star Wars isn't fun anymore?
No, I'm saying it's become more and more difficult for us to enjoy Star Wars with people like you around.
I have my opinion, you have yours, so leave me alone.
You started this... you go first!
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JediMelindaWolf
Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.
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date Posted: Aug 28, 2008 8:30 PM
To each his own. I enjoyed the movie. For what it was. Nothing more. Nothing less. An enjoyable way to spend 90 minutes, to enjoy some of my favorite characters in a new light; to be introduced to some new characters.
And I absolutely LOVED the artistic renderings of the characters.
MTFBWY
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Qui-Gon Reborn
The Fifth Dimension
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date Posted: Aug 28, 2008 8:41 PM
No, I'm saying it's become more and more difficult for us to enjoy Star Wars with people like you around.
I couldn't agree more.
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mastersaurkon
The Four Nerf Herders of the Apocalypse
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date Posted: Aug 29, 2008 2:06 PM
You need to go look through my old entries. I have only written one other entry people have hated. And that was about Halo, not Star Wars. So in ya face.
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Qui-Gon Reborn
The Fifth Dimension
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date Posted: Aug 29, 2008 3:21 PM
So in ya face.
I thought I made it clear to you that we were finished with this conversation, so why are you still being hostile? I did not hate your entry, or any of your previous entries, but I just really wish you would be a little more considerate to other individual's thoughts and feelings.
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mastersaurkon
The Four Nerf Herders of the Apocalypse
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date Posted: Aug 29, 2008 5:36 PM
Okay fine. I apologize. But I am entitled to my opinion, as you are yours, but I would appreciate if people like jedi_dude77 would stay away from my blog. I am insulted very easily because I have been picked on for much of my life.
And about the in ya face comment, I was being sarcastic. That is my sense of humor.
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