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Jacen Solo post NJO
date posted: Jan 07, 2008 2:00 PM
Jacen Solo - Lightsaber Master?
Hi this is my first blog so please bear with me if i lose the plot slightly.

Minor spoliers for Fury may follow:

I've recently been reading the NJO and legacy in their entirety to date (i've previously read each book of the series at least twice) and one thing that really jarred me this evening was a quote from Darth Caedus in Aaron Allstons' Fury:

"The shots were wild and unpredictable and Caedus had to divide his attention betweenamad swordsman and a growing number of half-blind sniper. But he was still the best lightsaber swordsmaster around - excepting possibly Luke, perhaps the best there had ever been"

This to me is at odds with Jacens' assessment of his skills in The Unifying Force seems to contrast greattly:

"He was a decent lightsaber master and a sai acroba but nowhere near as skilled as Luke Kyp, Corran - or Anakin. His heart just wasn't in it".

So I guess my question is where did his skills suddenly increase between the books I understand that at least 10 years separates the events but it seems quite a change for Jacen to undergo

We know he spent a 5 year sojourn to explore the differing aspects of the force but nothing indicates that he spent any time in extensive lightsaber training.

By the time of the Dark Nest series I'm not sure he has improved much as Lomi Plo had no problem dealing with him - puncturing a kidney if memory serves (correct me if I'm worng asI don't have the novel to hand at (present).

One theory, and it's most often said of Caedus in his sith incarnation is that he's an arogant little whelp with a vastly inflated sense of his own powers. I can accept this to a point but he does manage to demonstrate some formidable skill against masters such as Katarn and Skywalker so I'll accept that he is a saber master in that respect but certainly not of a level with Luke.

I have to point out that the duel in Inferno had as much to do with the location of the fight (in Caedus' favour of course) as it did to do with straight up saber duelling.

My other theory lies simply in the quote from Jacen in TUF "His heart just wasn't in it".

Could it perhaps be that since taking the dark path, his anger and hate have fuelled his desire to excel in lightsaber conduct, having abandoned diplomacy and any desie to resolve a situation without bloodshed had led to this increase in his skill?

As far as I'm aware Vergere never tutored in lightsaber combat, neither do we have any indication that Lumiya had any combat lessons to impart.

Well I'd love our thoughts on this as i'm still struggling over this contradiction.

MTFBWY

  guiguioh
A journey into the Star Wars universe
date Posted: Jan 07, 2008 2:27 PM
I think the answer is in your entry. Caedus has know is heart in when it comes to the use of a lightsaber. And he is the the most accomplished Force user of the time period, so it also helps in combat in some way.

Anyway, great entry. Welcome to the world of the Star Wars blogs.

MTFBWY
  master sifo dum dum
Jacen Solo post NJO
date Posted: Jan 07, 2008 2:40 PM
Thanks guiguioh, that was my conclusion by the end of writing the blog too

I'm excited to see what they with his charecter in the final arc of the leagacy books - if the previosu books are a standard to follow then it will be an amazing climax

  Smuggler Jedi
Hokey Religions and A Good Blaster at My Side
date Posted: Jan 07, 2008 2:54 PM
Welcome to the blogs.

Personally, I think that passage from the novel mischaracterizes Jacen. Yes, he is an exceptional saber master. However, where he seems to win against the other Jedi is not with the blade so much as it is with his other force powers. I don't want to give away anything as a SPOILER, but it seems that every time he wins in Legacy of the Force, it is by using a Force power or some other trick.
jedilily1026
Years Matter Not (Gone Crazy...Be Back Soon)
date Posted: Jan 07, 2008 2:56 PM
I know nothing of Jacen but just wanted to stop by to say hi and welcome to our community.:D
  master sifo dum dum
Jacen Solo post NJO
date Posted: Jan 07, 2008 3:17 PM
jedilily1026 and smugglerthanks very much for the warm welcomes, mtfbw

Smuggler I think you may have hit the mark there - I've been thinking back throughout Legacy and have to agree with you 100%

With this in mind i can't wait to see the purported duel between Caedus and Jaina as there's n doubt of her mastery of the blade.

Thanks for your comments
MizzeeOH
MagiKotor
date Posted: Jan 07, 2008 4:30 PM
I'm not actually going to read your blog, since I don't want to view any spoilers, but I just want to welcome you to the blogs! :D
  rj_peters
Memos from the Imperial Finance Department
date Posted: Jan 07, 2008 5:15 PM
With this in mind i can't wait to see the purported duel between Caedus and Jaina as there's n doubt of her mastery of the blade.

Agreed. That will be a showdown to remember.
Darth_Hiram
A Journey into The Force
date Posted: Jan 07, 2008 5:47 PM
Good entry, and welcome to the blogs. I think Jacen / Caedus has developed his sword mastery roughly on his own ... adopting his different Force powers into his technique. He relies on his knowledge of various Force powers to enhance his swordplay, and it works for him. And this makes him one of the galaxy's best.
  comanderbly
That's Impossible. Even for a Computer.
date Posted: Jan 08, 2008 6:52 AM
I think its part arrogance and partly skills that he acquired in his 5 years of travelling. He may not have run into any lightsaber training, but probably met a few warriors here and there. It's just speculation on my part though.
  master sifo dum dum
Jacen Solo post NJO
date Posted: Jan 08, 2008 1:14 PM
commanderbly - good point - i guess all we can do is speculate on his 5 year sojourn until we're graced with a novel covering this era - currently about as likely as a Darth Plagueis novel at this point - ah well we can but hope I guess

Thanks everyone for your feedback and welcomes to the blog

The Stooge
Star Wars Joke-A-Day
date Posted: Jan 08, 2008 4:12 PM
Didn't read from spoiler fears... but hey, welcome to the blogs!
  Master Deireanach
date Posted: Jan 09, 2008 7:45 AM
Welcome, if you read Dark Lord, you'll see that the Sith would rather win fights with the force then with lightsabers. Once Vader learns to use the enviroment to his advantage by hurling everything that's not bolted down at his opponents he's almost unbeatable. Caedus follows the same strategy. If you notice in ROTJ the space was devoid of objects to hurl at Luke thus making it possible for him to beat Vader. I can't wait for Caedus and Luke's final confrontation it should be one for the ages.
  master sifo dum dum
Jacen Solo post NJO
date Posted: Jan 09, 2008 1:49 PM
if you read Dark Lord, you'll see that the Sith would rather win fights with the force then with lightsabers.

That's a really good point actually, I haven't read Dark Lord in ages but this is certainly true - his battle with Katarn is a prime example also.

I can't wait for Caedus and Luke's final confrontation it should be one for the ages.

My sentiments exactly i'm also looking forward to the events that will bring us to this battle and a resolution to the subplots woven through the series



  master sifo dum dum
Jacen Solo post NJO
date Posted: Jan 09, 2008 1:50 PM
**Deireanach's points should have been in bold - still getting used to this
  darkclone#1
date Posted: Jan 10, 2008 12:04 PM
I think is multiply things, Im pretty sure he learned some lightsaber stuff along the way from his 5 years of "Im to some soul searching deal". But then again I also believe.... infact I know. thats Jacen is proably the most cunning jedi/sith to every walk the universe. Wel all know that Luke is no where in his league when it comes to brain power. few people are. Luke more of a " Im going to at saber you to death" kind of guys. While jacen more of " Im going to out duel you, but Im going to use my cunning to do it." so you know...

Plus Jacen my favorite character so I go for him anyway.
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