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 | Rayten's Realmdate posted: Feb 14, 2006 8:14 PM | updated: Aug 03, 2006 11:40 PM |
 | Lucas speaks: the fates of Jar Jar, Han and Leia |
What happens to Jar Jar eventually? What happens to Han and Leia after ROTJ? And episodes 7-9? Want more proof that George Lucas doesn't care about the EU? All this, plus the final word on why the Emperor renamed Anakin as "Vader".
http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1501522/20050509/story.jhtml
It's a link to a very interesting and informative interview with Lucas himself. It's an interview which many fans do not know about, so this blog is like a heads-up to it.
Here are some quotes from this interview:
"Han and Leia probably did get married. They settled down. She became a senator, and they got a nice little house with a white picket fence. Han Solo is out there cooking burgers on the grill. Is that a movie? I don't think so."
"He (Jar Jar) goes back to Naboo and he's a representative. He probably stays on the council, he's probably in the senate, because it becomes completely worthless. Senators are just for show, which they talk about in 'Episode IV.' Actually, in 'Episode IV' they get disbanded, so Jar Jar probably goes home to his wife and kids."
From the first comment, you can tell that Lucas does not care about the EU. He disregards it. He considers that Han Solo leads a boring, uneventful, but happy life, no more adventures. If Lucas really cared about the EU and regards it as being continuation of his movies, his answer when asked about the fates of Han and Leia after ROTJ would be the EU, he would say that he left it to other storytellers. But he didn't mention it at all, he said what he truly felt about Han and Leia's fates after ROTJ.
Update:
If you go here:
http://www.mtv.com/overdrive/player.jhtml?vid=48039
there's a video clip of the interview, and Lucas mentions that he has not read any of the EU books, and right at the end of this clip, he says "who really cares what happens after that (ROTJ)".
For more on the subject of Lucas and the EU, click here: http://blogs.starwars.com/Rayten/25
On a final note, I wonder what Lucas thinks of us fans bickering among ouselves over the merits of the EU. You know what I think he thinks? I think he does not care about it anymore than he does about the EU.
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FAN4YRS
A Rebel's Ramblings
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date Posted: Feb 14, 2006 8:39 PM
I also think the Han's "real" backstory is very different from what the EU tells you. As far as I'm concerned, fan imagination is more important than something a novelist writes. The less you know about a character the better, because the more you can put yourself into a character and believe you can relate with him/her
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Qymaen-Grievous
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date Posted: Feb 14, 2006 9:01 PM
also think the Han's "real" backstory is very different from what the EU tells you.
Han Solo is NOT a real person.
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Ultimate-Sith-Lord
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date Posted: Feb 14, 2006 9:17 PM
There probably is some fan out there who changed his name to Han Solo or named his child that.
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Son of a Bith
The Cantina Corner
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date Posted: Feb 14, 2006 9:34 PM
I think most of us don't know about that interview because we don't like MTV. (eMpTyVee)
Why do they even call it "Music Television" when they hardly play any music, and when it is, it is some bubblegum crap or some guy flashing jewelry in front of us while degrading women and saying how hardcore he is because he is "from da hood."
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Darth Siler 55
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date Posted: Feb 14, 2006 9:36 PM
I agree with Son of a Bith...
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Davidw4
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date Posted: Feb 14, 2006 9:48 PM
That's for sure on MTV. It is hard to imagine that ep3 will be the end.
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jediknight2210
Where did you dig up that old fossil?
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date Posted: Feb 14, 2006 9:48 PM
Yeah Bith is right.
MTV is the worst stuff on TV......completly talentless work, a 100% uninspiring waste of time.
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Davidw4
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date Posted: Feb 14, 2006 9:52 PM
I agree on MTV. It's kinda sad that it will end with ep3. I hope the tv show is on fox and not on some cable channel that I don't get.
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jedi_fry13
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date Posted: Feb 14, 2006 10:10 PM
When it comes to Starwars GL knows best , but i think that he shouldnt have said it, like darthgenious7 said way to kill a fan base. i still like to believe that the han and leia character live more exciteing fictional lifes. so thats why i like to read the books.
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The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Feb 14, 2006 10:11 PM
pppbllt. :0p whuuuut evah. I think he just offers an opinion why he would not want to make further movies about those characters.
He's not sitting there writing the future of the Solos. He's answering a question for the press about his opinion of a continuation he didn't write. He's basically saying "to me, this is why I didn't have any more story for them."
He's not saying other people don't. Lest some become overly dramatic on the subject.
As far as more movies - he said on 20/20 there would be no Episode 7, and he would not hand over the franchise for someone else to make them.
DM out
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darthgenious7
Chickens only cross the road after coercion.
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date Posted: Feb 14, 2006 10:12 PM
MTV is not bad exceptfor the fact it shows a bunch of whiny punks who don't pay rent and call it the real world, they teach and promote girls to dress provactivly and result in twelve year olds dressing like whores, they play virtually no music and what they do play is usually teeny-bopper crap that once again promotes promiscuity and bling-bling over substance, oh but who can forget the hilariousness of their disclaimers at the beggining of jackass that has the same effect as are you 18 click here on adult internet sites (I am oddly a fan of Viva la Bam though), and of courses endless dating shows once you get passed that its cool'
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darthgenious7
Chickens only cross the road after coercion.
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date Posted: Feb 14, 2006 10:27 PM
i think i'll outlive GL so maybe when they sell off his estate someone can get the rights to do ep.7. Thats morbid I know I hope GL lives a long and happy life but I really would like an Ep. 7 or at least some of the books from the EU made into movies.
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The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Feb 14, 2006 10:30 PM
I think it should also be pointed out that it's not Lucas himself that needs to care about the EU, and we as fans don't need him to be. He's a film maker. The rest of the continuity and licensing folks, and the readers do not need GL's every approval to continue to enjoy the story. People should go to him for valuable info about the story he made - the Saga.
People tend to confuse GL's Saga and the saga that has been wrapped around it. His saga is just the 6 movies. Why should he be concerned outside of his story?
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The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Feb 14, 2006 10:31 PM
He's saying "This was my story, and that's all there was to my story." What other folks have turned it into he makes no comment about - because they are books and games and merchandise. He makes films - and his films on this are over. He never said he doesnt care about EU, he said he creatively was never concerned about making more movies on the subjects - because his story had ended.
People tend to want to put words in his mouth, but he's answering a specific question about why there aren't more films after this. He's not personally in the book business.
DM out
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Jedi Master Mina
Another Galaxy, another time
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date Posted: Feb 14, 2006 10:54 PM
I agree with you Dark Moose. This topic has been blogged before. The only thing I have heard George say is that he is done making movies. I have accepted the fact that the movies are over. Sad as it may be, but it is over for George regarding the movies. And I don't hold it against him. I'm turning my energy to other mediums of Star Wars (TV, books, etc.). I'm just thankful I get to play in the sand box he created....But...Who knows what will happen 20 years from now!! Never say never. History does repeat itself, in different ways. Hope I'm alive if it happens.
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darthgenious7
Chickens only cross the road after coercion.
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date Posted: Feb 14, 2006 10:59 PM
The pr oblem with your argument being is one thing: He owns the licenses and copyrights to the material I agree with you the story he wanted to tell he told and he has every right not to make another film on the subject. His fans who have supported him however would like to see more and it could be done with little or no involvement from him hell he could have someone he trusts oversee the project. In an age of lawyers he could have a clause where he reserves rights to shut down production if at anytime he doesn't approve because it is his intellectual property! I agree people put words in his mouth he never said anywhere I can find that he doesn't care about the EU we have saying: lack of evidence is not evidence itself.
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darthgenious7
Chickens only cross the road after coercion.
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date Posted: Feb 14, 2006 11:03 PM
Moose if you click on my first blog you'll see that your blogs were the ones responsible for me becoming a hyperspace member I used to just cruise the site and read your blogs particulary it is nice to finally debate you.
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Darth Kevinmhk
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date Posted: Feb 15, 2006 12:49 AM
Unless George Lucas produced more G-canon Star Wars product,
otherwise all the existing C-canon Han Solo story would still be
canon according to the Holocron department.
C-canon become non-canon if and only if:
1. Holocron department decided to tune down its canon level
2. A higher level canon (i.e. G-canon) contradicts it
Because none of the above had happen till this very moment,
so Han Solo's Post-Endor adventures are still valid, licensed
stories in the grand Star Wars Timeline
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Darthilvay
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date Posted: Feb 15, 2006 2:54 AM
I dislike the Eu, so I don't mind Lucas ignoring it, but I'm ticked about the "New Trilogy" that he should be making. He doesn't have to base it off the books, or anything. That's why I hate the Eu. You can't have different authors writning about the same characters. It doesn't work. I could understand it, if they all helped create the characters, their looks, personality, bla, bla, bla... bla,bla....
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ulic_g99
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date Posted: Feb 15, 2006 5:54 AM
I agree with Dark Moose; really you have to look some of Lucas' other quotes to see the full picture. For example, a quote provided by Pablo Hidalgo for this site:
"So how did Anakin get that scar, George?" asks John Knoll
"I don't know. Ask Howard," says George, referring to President of Lucas Licensing Howard Roffman. "That's one of those things that happens in the novels between the movies. I just put it there. He has to explain how it got there. I think Anakin got it slipping in the bathtub, but of course, he's not going to tell anybody that."
Its not that he doesn't like the EU, he just doesn't concern himself with all the minute details outside of 'his world', the movies.
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DarthWaxx
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date Posted: Feb 15, 2006 5:59 AM
i went to the link and saw and heard what Lucas had to say if this doesnt shut anyone up about the EU and books not written by Lucas then nothing will.
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Darth Rex0
So be it....
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date Posted: Feb 15, 2006 6:20 AM
Since when is the EU for George Lucas? Its for some fans who enjoy it. As long as the folks at LFL keep things somewhat together as far as timelines and story continuity, write on!
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Darth Kevinmhk
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date Posted: Feb 15, 2006 6:22 AM
DarthWaxx:
The only way to shut all EU down is up to George Lucas too.
If he DARE, he could just shut every comic / novel / game / short story /
magazine etc etc down and declared ALL of them NON-CANON.
Does he dare?
I think not, at least from the financial point of view.
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Darth Kevinmhk
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date Posted: Feb 15, 2006 6:23 AM
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The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Feb 15, 2006 6:25 AM
His fans who have supported him however would like to see more and it could be done with little or no involvement from him
As far as movies, only some of his fans want to see more movies. A large number of fans agree - to do more with this story is to cheapen it.
As far as everything else, yes, he own the copyrights because he created the core settings and characters and backstory that everyone else has decided to base their stories on. But he remains a film maker, concerned about making films. That's why he has a company handling the rest of that poodoo.
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The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Feb 15, 2006 6:46 AM
but...I don't want to drag the comments too far off from the author's original points (I even deleted my own comments) ...I'll just close with saying there is a difference between George Lucas the guy and George Lucas the company that owns all that stuff. The guy himself is a film maker, and has to concern himself with making films for the most part.
Moose if you click on my first blog you'll see that your blogs were the ones responsible for me becoming a hyperspace member
I'm glad to hear that - of course, there are lots of blogs and features that make Hyperspace great...I just come with the scenery :0)
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Kenobi-fan
The Jundland Wastes Journal
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date Posted: Feb 15, 2006 6:47 AM
I've said this before, I don't really care what George thinks of his own product. He made something I like - oh well. He can't take it back now. Now matter what his input is at this point it's grown beyond his control. Sure, he (or Lucasfilm) could clamp down in some manner, but you can't control people's imagination or the impact it has/had. Such draconian measures might sour the relationship with the series but it could never kill it - not really. This mania and meaning of SW, like the Force itself, is a 'energy' field created by all living fans, it surrounds us, penetrates us; it binds 'our universe' together. So long as there are people who like SW as much as we do, it will linger in whatever form we choose.
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Kenobi-fan
The Jundland Wastes Journal
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date Posted: Feb 15, 2006 7:08 AM
I don't really care what George thinks of his own product.
Sorry, I'm quoting myself - this comes off much harsher than I intended. My main point was to state that Star Wars is HUGE. It has branched off in so many areas through so many people, you can virtually pick and choose the destiny of each character. And if you don't like what's out there, you can make it up yourself. It's one of the few things I can think of where where so many people feel free to commit their own thoughts and ideas to page and screen. It's truly a wonder and quite inspiring. While it's nice for GL to commit to something we can hang on to as 'true'; I dont' feel it's needed or necessary.
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gallandro77
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date Posted: Feb 15, 2006 8:05 AM
darthgenious mentioned making the Eu in to movies, that would be awesome! I do think that they might be better being animated movies. I dont want to see anyone but the original actors play luke and friends. If its animated, I can deal with a different voice for the character.
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JediPug1
Like My Father Before Me
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date Posted: Feb 15, 2006 8:46 AM
I agree with Kenobi-fan. I like GL very much and I appreciate what he has created, but I'm not that concerned with whether or not he likes the EU. I do and will continue to read all the books and comics I can because it is fun. I think GL is just saying he's done with the movies and has moved on with his life, and I can't say I blame him for that.
I also agree with Bith... MTV stinks!!!! ![]:)](http://blogs.starwars.com/share/img/emoticons/devil.gif)
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luuke.skywalker
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date Posted: Feb 15, 2006 9:26 AM
From the first comment, you can tell that Lucas does not care about the EU.
The "first comment" alluded to was, I assume, the paragraph ending with "Is that a movie? I don't think so."
I cannot tell from that that Lucas does not care about the EU. I can tell that he is not interested in making any further Star Wars movies, as Dark Moose and others have said above.
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luuke.skywalker
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date Posted: Feb 15, 2006 9:27 AM
Darthgenious7 said, "what a way to kill your fan base especially when you are getting ready to promote a TV show."
And yet my fan-ness is somehow completely unaffected. We were all perfectly aware that Lucas has chosen not to make further movies. I still enjoy the six movies he did make, as well as all the books and comics that have further filled out that universe. I will most likely enjoy the TV show as well.
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luuke.skywalker
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date Posted: Feb 15, 2006 9:27 AM
DarthWaxx said, "i went to the link and saw and heard what Lucas had to say if this doesnt shut anyone up about the EU and books not written by Lucas then nothing will."
Shut us up how? Lucas doesn't want to make anymore Star Wars movies. I'm content with that. He has several companies producing novels, comics, video games, RPGs, and soon a TV show. That is in fact George Lucas's money making all of that possible. He has just chosen to stop telling the story himself and allow others to imagine up further adventures. Whether or not you choose to read/play/watch those additional adventures is entirely up to you. But they do exist. They have been published. Get used to it.
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Master Jedi Joe14
Master Joe's Archives
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date Posted: Feb 15, 2006 4:58 PM
i agree with moose
i mean,i didnt see any hidden meaning in there that said " eu is garabage dont listen to it"
as far as i am concerned, EU (well a good chunk of it) is canon, you can argue with me all you want , but really, if you want to kno about things outside of the movies, how ealse are you supposed to kno what happens aside aside form the EU...i consider 85% of EU canon...mostly jsut the stuff that contradicts the movies i dont consider canon
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Frostor
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date Posted: Feb 15, 2006 5:20 PM
I think the point to consider is that the EU, whether you love it or hate it, is more of a "product" than the films. I consider it in the realm of merchandising, along with action figures and fast-food promotional tie-ins. The EU is mostly a cash cow, whereas the movie series is more of a "pure" work of art. That may sound elitist, but I think you've always got to go to the basis of a franchise to find the "true" meaning of it. That's not to diminish the talent of the authors and artists who produce EU work, but in the end, they're getting "assignments."
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Darth Kevinmhk
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date Posted: Feb 15, 2006 6:06 PM
Sorry, I'm quoting myself
LOL!
Anyway, EU is just out there, and they have their place
in the timeline and the canon policy. You can neglect them,
but you cant deny they exist. Whether you (or even GL) like
it or not they are still out there.
Everyone knew GL hates Star Wars Holiday Special,
but Wookieepedia reported that the infamous show
has numerous entries entered the official Holocron Archive,
and even EP3 Kashyyyk was more or less based on the Holiday's
Kashyyyk.
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Darth Kevinmhk
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date Posted: Feb 15, 2006 6:14 PM
But same as always, i say Movies - Not just Star Wars movies,
but all movies - can never replace TEXT - fictional novels.
Text allow a lot more imagination than movies, and complex
character feeling / thoughts - like what Matt Stover did in his
Shatterpoint and ROTS Novel - or complex theory, philosophy,
religious and moral view, ideals, argument and debate etc etc....
You cant just put ALL of them into movies and it is even more
difficult to present the above stuff well (Take Star Wars as eg,
who would like to listen up teachings for hours, they want
lightsaber duels!)
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Rayten
Rayten's Realm
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date Posted: Feb 15, 2006 6:16 PM
novels have their advantages. Movies have their advantages. Let this not turn into a discussion on which is better.
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Darth Kevinmhk
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date Posted: Feb 15, 2006 6:17 PM
I consider the Star Wars movies a very simplified ver. of Star Wars...
Life is much larger, much more expanded, much deeper...
If the core of Jedi teaching can really finish in an hour, then why spend
800 years to train yourself? Go into EU and check wht's not in the movie,
but equally important, and maybe even better
Rayten:
The point is: It doesn't matter whether or not GL care about it!
They are out there, he may not like it, but STILL they are out there.
(Not to mention his main point is just No More Movies from the quote)
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Rayten
Rayten's Realm
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date Posted: Feb 15, 2006 6:18 PM
luuke.skywalker said: I cannot tell from that that Lucas does not care about the EU.
And I say: If Lucas really cared about the EU and regards it as being continuation of his movies, his answer when asked about the fates of Han and Leia after ROTJ would be the EU, he would say that he left it to other storytellers. But he didn't mention it at all, he said what he truly felt about Han and Leia's fates after ROTJ.
The fact that he did not mention the EU at all is enough proof to me that he doesn't really care about it.
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Rayten
Rayten's Realm
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date Posted: Feb 15, 2006 6:25 PM
Life is much larger, much more expanded, much deeper...
Life is very boring. Exciting stuff don't happen often. The EU has bombarded us with too many exciting stuff happening in the lives Luke, Han, Leia, Obi-wan, Anakin, to the point where it's TOO MUCH, and becomes stupid, senseless and just a way to make more money for Lucasfilm and create jobs for the writers. Too much, that's one of the main reasons why I don't like the EU and disregard it.
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Darth Kevinmhk
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date Posted: Feb 15, 2006 6:27 PM
GL may be the first one to pop out and ask EU to go on....
After all, it IS money and many people depends on it... 
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Rayten
Rayten's Realm
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date Posted: Feb 15, 2006 6:29 PM
Rayten:
The point is: It doesn't matter whether or not GL care about it!
Yes, it does. He's the creator, you know. It would be like saying it doesn't matter if Tolkien would like the LOTR movies of not if he were still alive. I reckon that you are a fan of the EU, and if Lucas said that he cares about the EU 100%, you would not be saying what you just said.
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Darth Kevinmhk
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date Posted: Feb 15, 2006 6:39 PM
He doesn't care, then what?
Stop reading them? Stop buying them?
Or authors should stop creating them? (Not up to them, actually  )
Or what.....?
Really... no harm done. He (or me or you or just anyone else)
likes/cares it or not really does not matter....
Remember, he CAN shut all of them down. he CAN band every and any
idea the authors proposed, he CAN declare all previous EU into non-canon.
But he did none of that!
He participate in Clone Wars 3D Animation production, & the previous
mini-series, & the upcoming Live action TV series. They are not movies too!
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Darth Kevinmhk
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date Posted: Feb 15, 2006 6:41 PM
And i am happy he doesnt care about EU, otherwise EU will just
become 100%-George-Lucas'-movies-convert-to-text/comic/etc.
Because he does not care, that's why we have so many enjoyable
EU story. (As long as EU did step into his area and GL doesnt
step into EU much)
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Darth Kevinmhk
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date Posted: Feb 15, 2006 6:55 PM
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Rayten
Rayten's Realm
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date Posted: Feb 15, 2006 7:02 PM
I am glad that Lucas does not care about the EU, because if he did, I would too, and I would be a vey busy person.
All the backstory you are refering to were developed as backstory for his movies, not developed specifically for the EU. He contributed to the EU, because there was no place else in the movies for it. It would be a waste if the backstory were not used in the EU. Also, Lucas would not be fulflling his duty as SW creator, if he didn't let EU authors use these backstories.
Just because Lucas provided the backstory to the EU authors, does not mean he cares about the final EU product.
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Darth Kevinmhk
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date Posted: Feb 15, 2006 7:25 PM
He cares the final product i presume...
it hurts the reputation of Star Wars if the quality is bad,
and if the reputation is hurt, sponsor may hold back,
further production of specific products may face more obstacles etc....
In the end, less credit, less income.
Even if he is not Star Wars creator, as a boss he should care the product.
But looks like the current situaion satisfy everyone.
GL enjoy his own movies; we got non-GL style interesting and exciting EU
products from various media; and you would not be an ultra busy person.
What i always try to say is just even though GL dislike or doesnt care them,
they are still out there and have their own place in the timeline and the continulity level.
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