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 | Some ROTS Observations |
 Hey everybody. I know it has been a while since I blogged. I might be taking some absences occasionally, because sometimes I have other things to do, and I don't always have good ideas to blog about. I have been a little drained of ideas, and I have been busy, and then I got sick. Anyway, when I was sick, I watched ROTS a few times and got to thinking about some stuff.
Remember the beginning of ROTS when there are all of the Federation Starships, Star Destroyers, and other stuff over Coruscant? Ah, of course you remember. Well I watched the absolute beginning where you can only one Star Destroyer, and you can see under it somewhat. After the Jedi interceptors flew under it, you can see all of the other ships there under it. This doesn't add up for me. If you watch the beginning a couple times, you will see that all of the other ships should have been visible. Why weren't they? My guess is that from a movie making standpoint is they didn't want to reveal how many ships were all gathered. But from another point of view, the one we fans often see: The ships should have been visible!
Also remember sort of at the beginning where Obi-Wan severed the Bodyguard Droid's head? It keeps on fighting. I am not sure how it would see, but it does. The databank says the will fight even if their head is severed. Remember on Utapau when 4 Bodyguard Droids come at Obi-Wan? He uses the force to have some hanging thing to have them killed. One of them didn't appear to be seriously injured, so it reached for its electrostaff. Obi-Wan severed the droid's head, and for some reason, it dies. The only two theories are the droid was somehow damaged from that huge thing that came crashing down. This seems possible, I suppose. Another theory is that more of or more than its head got chopped off, so it died.
An interesting thing I have thought about is what happened to Vader's legs and his arm? We know what happened to his lightsaber, but you never really see his legs or his arm after it gets cut off. I mean like one second later. You can't see it on the ground anytime, not even one second after it is cut off. I don't know why this troubles me, but it's almost like the limbs just disappeared.
And I also thought it would be cool if you got to see the effect of an electrostaff on a person in the movie. I would also have liked to see an electrostaff to electrostaff battle. I think both of those things would have been exciting. I did notice the electrostaff either touched briefly, or got close to touching Obi-Wan when he was in pursuit of General Grievous while riding Boga. I doubt it actually touched him, though.
Oh yea, I just thought of this briefly during the movie, when Bail Organa is talking to Captain Antilies about the droids:
"Captain Antilies. I am putting these droids under your care. Treat them well, clean them up. Have the protocol droid's mind wiped."
I think that's what he said. Anyway, didn't they already look pretty clean? I bet he meant for the future when they get dirtier. But that one is not too important.
And lastly, did it bug anyone how you never get to see how some of the characters get out of a few situations at the end of ROTS? For instance, when Anakin is laying down on the table thing and Obi-Wan tries to strike him bugs me a bit because you never see how he escapes it or anything. Also when Obi-Wan and Anakin are going head to head in a very famous shot of ROTS, it is the picture above. It just bugged me how they switched between the two fights at the worst possible times sometimes. It was probably to keep the tension up high.
Anyway, I am sure you don't want to hear about what has started to become my complaining. Comment if you have answers, questions, or comments.
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Ki-Adi Andy
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Grand Admiral Veers0
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date Posted: Nov 25, 2005 10:16 PM
Your insight serves you well, Ki-Adi-Andy, much do you see. All movies have their own little foibles, it could be a technical error or simply for cinema's sake, but the mark of a true fan is looking over the quirks and seeing the movie for what it is. Passed the test you have, young Padawan, powerful in the fandom you are...
I have forseen it
-Emperor, Return of the Jedi
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Ki-Adi-Andy
A Tremor In The Force....
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date Posted: Nov 25, 2005 10:23 PM
Uh, thanks Admiral. I can't help but ask you guys' opinions on some of these possible errors, though. I do see the movies for what they are, but I can't completely forget about these things.
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DorkofMordork
This one goes there, that one goes there!
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date Posted: Nov 25, 2005 10:26 PM
MagnaGuards are equipped with backup processors that allow them to continue fighting even after they have been beheaded or sustained traumatic amputations.
SW ROTS Visual Dictionary
And that third processor is in their chest so when he got smashed it broke his backup processor.
Once more the sith shall rule the galaxy...and we shall eat cookies.
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darthzemo
Mandalorians?
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date Posted: Nov 25, 2005 10:32 PM
well, eerrm, optical illusion?
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Mace Nguyendu
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date Posted: Nov 25, 2005 10:35 PM
KI-Adi-Andy! I've been surfing this site everywhere for you! 'Bout time you made another blog! Anyway...very good blog. I'll try to look out for those things the next time i watch ROTS (2 seconds later). Oh, and I suggest watching the scene when Obi-Wan cuts off all of Darth Vader's limbs...in slow motion! Man, that never gets old. 
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Ki-Adi-Andy
A Tremor In The Force....
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date Posted: Nov 25, 2005 10:40 PM
Oh, thanks, Mace. If you were actually using search.starwars.com, I'd suggest not using that to search for members. It doesn't seem to work. I have tried searching for Mods, and Admins and nothing shows up. I am very glad you seem to like my blogs. if you really like them, bookmark my blog site, or put it in your favorites. I am glad you like my blogs, thanks. It means a lot to me. I will definately watch that part in slow-mo. it does sound like it would be interesting now that I think about it.
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Mace Nguyendu
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date Posted: Nov 25, 2005 10:58 PM
Hahaha. Keep up the good work Andy. Oh, and when you do watch that scene in slow motion, here's the exact instructions how to do it: since the scene is so short, you obviously need good timing. When Anakin makes his jump to Darth Vader (hahaha, good metaphor), THAT'S when you press pause! Then press forward button. Nothing in between!
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Ki-Adi-Andy
A Tremor In The Force....
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date Posted: Nov 25, 2005 11:05 PM
Wait, you lost me. be more exact. When do I press the button? Just kidding, haha. Thanks, I think I can figure it out, Mace.
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DorkofMordork
This one goes there, that one goes there!
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date Posted: Nov 25, 2005 11:11 PM
Lol, not everyone has one of those. I just made mine up and don't use it a lot. I hope the info on the droids helped. And the SW visual dictionarys are pretty handy! I have them all. Keep up the good blogs! 
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janlomona
Smugglers Rants
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date Posted: Nov 26, 2005 2:43 AM
No way Dork, you shall now forever be known as the cookie monster!
Good points one and all. I think many cool parts of Star Wars have almost grown organically, and were not on the written pages of Lucas' scripts. There are relationships, ideas and concepts that have taken on a life of their own, and been cleverly expanded in the EU and through fandom.
The ships should have been visible! - You're on about the waterfall shot, the opening scene of Sith. True, the battle probably should have been visible, but notice the angle of the tracking shot and how close Ben and Ani stay to the Destroyer-they fall into the battle.
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janlomona
Smugglers Rants
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date Posted: Nov 26, 2005 2:47 AM
Another theory is that more of or more than its head got chopped off, so it died - I would imagine that so many of its systens were destoyed when that thing crashed on it there waas no way it could operate, servomotors, systems and power would have been flattened, so no more droid.
it's almost like the limbs just disappeared. - as I understand it, the limbs rolled into the lava and burned. I think it's in the novel, it was certainly discussed but jettisoned as perhaps being too gruesome for a PG-12.
cool if you got to see the effect of an electrostaff on a person in the movie - considering its the only thing we have yet seen that can block a lightsabre, it's clear that it would mess them up permanently.
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janlomona
Smugglers Rants
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date Posted: Nov 26, 2005 2:50 AM
It just bugged me how they switched between the two fights at the worst possible times sometimes - I would imagine that the fight took place over a long time, and that the battle we see is, effectively, the edited highlights. They were kicking the crud out of each other, fists flying, it wasn't a pretty or orthodox Jedi confrontation. And don't forget, Padme leaves Coruscant (in the interior) in one scene and a couple of moments later she's on Mustafar (on the Outer Rim). Most of the 6 films take place over weeks (months in the case of Empire)
Great blog and cool questions, good to see you back!
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lia_nailo
Random Ruminations of a SW Fangirl
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date Posted: Nov 26, 2005 4:23 AM
"Captain Antilies. I am putting these droids under your care. Treat them well, clean them up. Have the protocol droid's mind wiped."
I think that's what he said. Anyway, didn't they already look pretty clean? I bet he meant for the future when they get dirtier. - Um ... this is sarcasm, right? No offense meant if it isn't - what Bail meant was "wipe his memory," thereby effectively nulling any fans being able to say, "Well, why doesn't 3P0 remember anything?" IE, plot device.
Most of the 6 films take place over weeks (months in the case of Empire) - In the last issue of SW: Insider I read, it stated that RotS took place over 9 days. To me, that seems *WAY* too fast ... but maybe that's just me.
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bluejedi32
The Force Is All Around Us
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date Posted: Nov 26, 2005 6:20 AM
When you talked about the opening scene at the space battle over Corurscant. I thought you were looking at the top of the star destoryer and Anakin and Obi-wan were flying over it and the battle was taking place under the star destoryer, so in that way it does make sense why you couldn't see that battle at first. And about Vader's missing body parts: does it really matter what happened to them, maybe the fell into the lava or just burned up but real quick. I was thinking maybe GL couldn't show it and still have the PG-13 rating or something dumb like that. I hope those answer your questions.
MaY tHe FoRcE bE wItH yOu
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Sithhunter123
The melodic line of the saga
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date Posted: Nov 26, 2005 7:29 AM
another thing i noticed. when vader's on the operating table the lower part of his mask is missing then when u see the face part of the mask coming down on vader the lower mask is already in place. That is a silly mistake
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Darth_Revor
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date Posted: Nov 26, 2005 7:40 AM
If he could get away with slicing Darth Maul in half or decapitating Jango Fett and still show their "parts" (and the shadow of the head leaving the helmet in Jango's case) in PG movies, I'm sure they could've gotten away with showing Anakin/Vader's limbs. Why they are not shown, I honestly can't say though. Supposedly, they did land in the lava and burned up though.
My explainations for not seeing the battle in the openning: 1) the shot is from an angle (not directly above. 2) the ship is on the outskirts of the battle, and approaching it. 3) the concept of "above" is all relative, so battle probably isn't directly below it.
My opinion as a 3D animator
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Darth_Revor
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date Posted: Nov 26, 2005 7:42 AM
Sithhunter123,
You stole my next comment! How dare you! LoL, just kidding. But yeah, I caught that too. I was laughing out it. Sharp eyes. 
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JadenNightsaber
THX 118?
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date Posted: Nov 26, 2005 7:57 AM
Nice points andy. and i don't have answers to any of them. good to have you back blogging! §
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Sithhunter123
The melodic line of the saga
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date Posted: Nov 26, 2005 8:29 AM
Sorry i stole ur next comment darth Revor! hehe. I had 2 watch that bit several times cos i couldnt believe they had missed something so simple yet important
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Ki-Adi-Andy
A Tremor In The Force....
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date Posted: Nov 26, 2005 12:26 PM
Lia, that thingy about the droids wasn't really much of a topic up for debate. Perhaps I should have specified that with more "lol"s.
janlomona, I'd say you had some great answers too this blog. It still bugged me a little how they switched right when they get into trouble sometimes.
And nine days does seem way too short for when ROTS took place. If I had to guess, I'd say it happened at least least about three months. Because wasn't anakin apart from Padme for like 5 or 6 months? I don't remember where I found that out, so maybe it's wrong. But not to say padme couldn't have been pregnant for a few weeks before Anakin went.
Thanks for your comments (at least so far) , everybody!
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lia_nailo
Random Ruminations of a SW Fangirl
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date Posted: Nov 26, 2005 12:59 PM
I wasn't entirely sure ... I've seen questions more obvious than that on blogs before (not yours, I should add). 
You did bring up a lot of good points, though - a lot of them are things that LucasFilm should have caught ... but you know how it goes. I figure, if they're there, we can at least think of humorous explanations for them.
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DarthVicomte
Vicomte's Blog Extravaganza (Now Defunct)
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date Posted: Nov 26, 2005 1:26 PM
Well, I always assumed the ships were using some kind of cloaking device, the droids, anything could be the cause, and I think severed limbs are a bit too gory for Star Wars. (Except for that one time, of course)
As for little catch phrases below people's entries, we Hyperspace members are too cool for that. 
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DarthDUDE84308
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date Posted: Nov 26, 2005 6:27 PM
Weird and the falcon can be seen landing in the couroscant docking bay landing at the
bottom of the screen and when yoda falls off the senator platform he says "Ah F@!# S#@$"
and the droid thing has a sort of deep meaning to it..... I wonder 
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prettypadme999
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date Posted: Nov 27, 2005 6:51 AM
Wait a second, Wait a second!!!!!! If Bail told them to have 3PO's mind wiped, then how does he remember all of it? Cause' in ROTJ 3P0 tells the E Walks The Story.....Remember how R2 does the sounds? Help!
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Ki-Adi-Andy
A Tremor In The Force....
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date Posted: Nov 27, 2005 9:33 AM
In ROTJ, doesn't C3PO just tell the ewoks about the OT events? He got his mind wiped much before that. I haven't watched ROTJ in a while, so I guess I forgot a bit.
And Darth Vicomte, nicely said. Maybe the ships did have some kind of cloaking dvice. I am not sure why they were cloaked there, though. Probably just for our enjoyment. And I suppose we hyperspace members are too cool for such phrases. Although mine is "Hey everybody." at the beginning of all of my entries. Not too creative, but I just developed a habit for saying it at the beginning of my entries, so I will for all of them to come, too.
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Sol Kassar
Ramblings from the Detention Center (Startled)
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date Posted: Nov 28, 2005 10:39 AM
...but you never really see his legs or his arm after it gets cut off. I mean like one second later. You can't see it on the ground anytime, not even one second after it is cut off. I don't know why this troubles me, but it's almost like the limbs just disappeared.
If you look carefully when Anakin is down for the count, if you look on the ground in between Anakin and Obi-Wan, you can see a small smoldering mass. I thought of this as this scene happened, but I checked carefully - notice how on that ground there is nothing smoking when Obi-Wan lands. After Anakin's bad decision, you can see the light smoke. I thought they were rocks, could be, but I like to attribute that mass to Anakin's limbs.
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jedifan66
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date Posted: Dec 04, 2005 6:21 PM
well the only part of his body of the body guard that haden't been crushed was the head, so after Obi-wan cut off his head... i think you get the picture.
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Mace Nguyendu
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date Posted: Dec 08, 2005 7:09 PM
Something I thought was hilarious: when Obi and Ani are on that pipe fighting each other, a little droid comes out in the bacground just beeping as the two fighters pay no attention to it. And oddly enough, that same distracting droid was the one that saved Ani's life when he jumped off the tower thing. Just thought I'd point that out.
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