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Only Sith Deal In Absolutes!
date posted: Jun 23, 2005 11:39 AM  |  updated: Aug 30, 2006 12:39 AM
The Tragedy of Mace Windu And The Death of The Jedi Order
Mace, how could you.

I believed in you. You were the picture of composure. You were my hero. The absitively, posolutely baddest-a** Jedi in all the land. All the galaxy. When you told Count Dooku, "This party's over," I cheered. Here, I said, here is proof that we can have the best of both worlds: that I can be a good man, the BEST man, and still be cooler than Sith!

Oh Mace. What did you do, fool.

In Revenge of the Sith, Chancellor Palpatine is revealed to us to be nothing less insidious than the DARK LORD and evil incarnate. Standing poised to deliver Palpatine the killing blow, Mace Windu, Senior Jedi Master of the Jedi High Council, has a choice to make: to kill or not to kill? Let's review the facts. Mace has gone to Chancellor Palpatine's office with the knowledge that he is the Dark Lord of the Sith, and has gone with the intent to arrest him.

Again: taking three Jedi Masters with him, Master Mace Windu has gone to arrest the Chancellor of the Republic because Mace has been convinced that the chancellor is actually the Dark Lord Darth Sidious. This intelligence is brought to Mace by none other than the Chosen One, Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker, the one who is destined to bring balance to the Force (...or "So the prophecy says," Mace snorts). Mace senses "a great deal of confusion" in Jedi Skywalker, and denies Anakin, boy of destiny, his rightful place of prophecy in this epic confrontation.

Arguably his rightful place. After all, difficult to interpret are prophecies, Yoda says.

Mace and his Jedi troupe descend on Chancellor Palpatine in the devil's lair...his office. "In the name of the Galactic Senate of the Republic," Mace tells him, "you are under arrest Chancellor... The senate will decide your fate." The Dark Lord, of course, does not go quietly. Mace successfully subdues the Dark Lord, but three Jedi masters sacrifice their lives for the cause. Nevertheless, Mace, with his lightsaber at Palpatine's throat, cool as ever, reiterates, "You are under arrest, my lord."

And we love him.

Despite all that he has gone through, witnessing his comrades cut down before him, engaging the Dark Lord in a debilitating duel, and perhaps most devastating of all, understanding that the Jedi have been tricked into compromising their most cherished principles and becoming warriors instead of peacekeepers for a totally made-up war, at this most desperate hour in the presidential office and cradle of democracy, Mace Windu reaffirms his mission to arrest the Dark Lord, and let the Republic Senate decide his fate.

For the naysayers that complain that Anakin's Fall in Revenge is not illustrated acutely enough, that his fall to the dark side isn't convincing enough, I can't help but cringe. As the familiar adage goes, a person doesn't judge good art; good art strips you butt naked. Recall the terrible moments of choice faced by Anakin in Episodes I and II. Remember Anakin's tough decision to leave Tatooine? "I can't do it, Mom, I just can't." Yet he does it. How about Anakin's tough decision to go after the Count rather than Padmé after his true love gets unexpectedly dumped from a high-speed Republic chopper? For those who have experienced the primacy of free will, who have understood their past actions as events of choice, who have in essence accepted responsibility as the craftsmen of their own destinies and therefore for both the glory and misery of who and what they are, the fall of Anakin Skywalker to the dark side in Revenge of the Sith cannot cut out your soul with finer precision or more satisfying guilt.

When Padawan Anakin decides to take justice, government, into his own hands and indiscriminately slay a community of men, women, and children in Attack of the Clones, and when Master Mace stares into the eyes of the devil, and in fear of a mere possible future, crumbles, these are choices.

"Cruel man, nearsighted man! How can you say that?" an averagely compassionate fellow says. Let's call him, I don't know..."Lando."

"Anakin just watched his mother die before his eyes!" Lando says. "Mace Windu was trying to kill the Dark Lord, Evil Itself, for the safety of a galaxy! Not the world, brother, a galaxy."

I'll get to "evil itself" in a minute. The nearly equal detrimental illusion here is the confusion of justification in feeling a certain emotion - feeling hatred, fear, etc. - with justification of acting on that emotion. Is it natural to feel the impulse to chop some fools in half with a lightsaber? Sure. But the divide between impulsive, adrenaline-fueled desire and moral necessity is enormous. A person certainly doesn't need to act out an impulse, especially when that impulse contradicts his or her personal ethical code, even less when a person reaffirms that ethical code mere moments prior to taking that impulsive, hypocritical action. An individual always has a choice, though to face the less attractive of those choices is often remarkably painful (in this case, the decision to let Palpatine live to see trial). And therefore an individual will often eliminate that choice from the realm of possible actions that he or she can seemingly take. Thus creating the perception, and familiar excuse, that "I had no choice."

Right Lando?

Right mindless clone troopers who backstabbed their Jedi generals? How about you self-serving Republic Senate, which applauded the government's transformation into a dictatorship? Or at last Anakin Skywalker, who finally, finally, understands he has a choice when in Return of the Jedi his son Luke tells him, "I feel the conflict within you. Let go of your hate!" and "I feel the good in you, the conflict." Or in other words, "Yeah, Dad, you know that kinda nagging feeling you got inside? Yeah, that's your conscience."

Back to the action. As Palpatine fries Mace with dark side lightning, Anakin, destined to be present at this moment, bursts into Palpatine's office, and Mace asks Anakin to choose. Choose! he says, to believe me or believe Palpatine! I believe Mace would have been comforted more by Anakin choosing to help Palpatine at that moment instead of what Anakin's response is: indecision. Of all the most excruciating experiences in life, uncertainty, in all its forms, is the most agonizing. And fear of uncertainty the most dangerous catalyst.

Not that we have anything to fear here, though, right Mace? Patience is a Jedi virtue, after all, and a Jedi Master can certainly handle a bit o' temporary ambiguity.

Right Mace?

We see the tension in Mace's face in this pivotal moment as a confused Anakin hangs onto his faith in the Jedi Order by a mere thread. Perhaps nothing can stop Anakin's fall to the dark side, perhaps he will become the greatest of Jedi. Both of these possibilities are as nothing, for now there is only the reality of what happens. And it is this: when Anakin, the boy of destiny, needed him most, we see the good man who is Mace Windu, senior Jedi of the Jedi Council, come undone.

Mace at last consciously takes justice, government, into his own hands, announcing his decision to betray everything he believes in as he stares into Palpatine's rotting face with these destructive words:

"I'm going to end this."

And we love him.

As our hearts pound in our ears, not unlike the sound of thunderous applause, we watch Mace cockback his lightsaber like a mallet, scream down deep inside, "Yes! Yes, kill him! KILL PALPATINE," and watch lustily as Mace unleashes the triphammer that will strike down the DARK LORD.

It's fun to blame Palpatine, isn't it? "Look," we say. "See? There is the root of all our problems. Not you, and definitely not me." So-called evil incarnate. It's fun and cathartic to have an unarguable locus for our disgust because we all have bad days. Sometimes bad years, and sometimes bad decades. Who wants to take the blame for that? We all want stuff, the stuff we don't have. A toy... food... money.

A person?

To save a person, Anakin? To save an idea, Mace?

We wish and hope that with that one deft stroke, Mace will forever wipe out the intrusion of sadness, badness and bad days into our lives and usher in the age of happiness and perfection not only that we all want but deserve. Detrimentally, so does Mace.

In one swift motion, Mace, who moments ago battered a Sith Lord into submission and still reasserted his duty to arrest him, ultimately betrays everything he and the Jedi believe in. Everything except this:

The Jedi will not lose.

And of course, the instant that prideful thought drives the Jedi Master into motion, that final lightsaber swing without end, the Emperor has already won. As Mace strikes Palpatine the deathblow, we know the principles of the Jedi Order, last bastion of democracy, are bankrupt, and the Republic is truly dead. ~ Abel G. Peña

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Postscript: So, did then Mace Windu survive the fall after being launched thousands of feet into the abyss by Palpatine's lightning attack? Of course not. Mace cannot live. The man he'd become wouldn't allow it.

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  Buchol
Muses, Ramblings, Shenanigans and Goings On.
date Posted: Jun 23, 2005 1:58 PM
You can't see me now, but I'm clapping. I thought the exact same thing. Anakin had been lied to that the Jedi betrayed him, and Mace reinforced that lie.
  Brock Sampson
Tales from the Outer Rim
date Posted: Jun 23, 2005 2:05 PM
And sometime, be it right or wrong, a Man's gotta do what a Man's gotta do. ;)

Sorry for the "short but sweet" comment. But I just couldn't resist.

Very nice argument though. Very interesting.

  Kenad Broki
date Posted: Jun 23, 2005 4:45 PM
What was it that Stover said was his downfall? That he loved the Republic?

I think that he characterised Mace very well.

Good analysis, Abel, that's exactly what was going down :D
  mavrick889
Here's where the fun begins - timelines, continuity and that sort of thing
date Posted: Jun 24, 2005 1:40 PM
Nice job, Abel. I really enjoyed that analysis. I think you're spot-on.
  Z-score
The Star Wars Uncle
date Posted: Jun 24, 2005 3:29 PM
If Mace just struck down Sidious, someone who just admitted to being a Sith, then how could Mace be doing anything wrong since he swore an oath to destroy the Sith? Sidious had control over everything, the courts, the senate...everything. He was a Jedi. A Jedi's got to do what a Jedi's got to do. Anybody with half their brain tied behind their back would have and should have done the same thing.
TalonCard86
The Mofference is now in session!
date Posted: Jun 24, 2005 9:38 PM
I think it's rather harsh to judge Mace and the Republic as corrupt based on one action taken by an otherwise good man at the end of his life. Clearly it wasn't the right choice--but as you say, it was an understandible one. With a Sith Lord in control of the Republic, do the laws go out the window? (If you'll excuse the expression...) Perhaps, perhaps not. In any case, it's a no-win senario for the good guys, and a win-win senario for the bad ones. Mace was defeated by giving in to his desire to kill Sidious.
TalonCard86
The Mofference is now in session!
date Posted: Jun 24, 2005 9:38 PM
If he hadn't, and had merely taken Sidious into custody, Mace would still have died, directly or indirectly, by the Sith Lord's own hand. It's true that Sidious had control of the courts and had succeded in casting doubt on the Jedi--he would undoubtly have won, and the results would have been the same. Faced with a situation like this, it's easy to say that you should stand by your principles--but if one were truely faced with that kind of a decision, faced with the choice of death by principles or possible victory without them? Would any of us be as strong?
  Admiral Xizor
date Posted: Jun 25, 2005 1:03 PM
I'm sure that Mace was affected by his decision not to kill Dooku at Geonosis, and ending the Clone Wars before they even started. He gave Dooku a chance to surrender ad got 3 years of war for his trouble. Killing Palpatine must have seemed like the only chance the Jedi had to end the threat.

What good would trying Palpatine have done anyway? Remember, a spare like Nute Gunray got four trials in the Supreme Court and still didn't lose his leadership of the Trade Federation...!
  weswindu1
date Posted: Jun 25, 2005 11:43 PM
I think it is clear that Mace was just doing what had to( and needed) to be done when he was going to kill Palpatine. He knew that by meerly arresting him and keeping him alive would not only destroy the Jedi but also throw the Republic into an iron fisted tyrany that would seem to have no end. He didn't compromise his morals, he was just destroying thoughs who have none of their own that threatened peace. If you confronted the Devil himself would you destroy him and end his reign once and for all or would simply place hand cuffs on him and take your chances that courts( which were under his control) MIGHT do the right thing.No, no Mace Windu truly was a wise Jedi!
lovelucas
date Posted: Jun 26, 2005 7:08 PM
mace had his own attachment that clouded his vision - the republic.
and mace prefaced his qualifier to anakin with IF what you say is true, THEN you will have earned my trust... anakin tried, he really did.

when i watch TPM you can see that barricade being built at the get-go....wonder how george knew to capture those antagonistic looks between jake lloyd and samuel? works so well within the story arc.
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Jun 28, 2005 5:41 PM
Interesting flipside argument, really well-written. I tend to think Mace just...didn't think it through. Though brave, and I think true, he was a little myopic. I've gone with a more simplistic view of Mace's actions but you emphasize the importance of that fateful moment when the wrong choice was made.

It's the choice that Luke would later have to make, if you think about it, and thankfully the Force or conscience drove him in the right direction. Either way, yep - Mace done screwed up. Yer basic big ol' galactic "whoops". :0)

DM out
  Wrath Of The Whills
Two Trilogies, One Saga
date Posted: Jun 29, 2005 9:12 AM
I like your essay. I just want to say this one thing, and I'm not being critical. Star Wars is open to interpretation. I didn't write Star Wars so I could be wrong. You say Anakin has choice but it is my belief that Anakin does not have choice because he is a vessel created by the Force. All the Star Wars characters have choice but Anakin does not. Even if Mace could have killed Palpatine it wouldn't of mattered, because the living Force would of still been left in darkness.
  Wrath Of The Whills
Two Trilogies, One Saga
date Posted: Jun 29, 2005 9:16 AM
"The Force is an energy field created by all living things." "...life creates it...makes it grow.."
The people are all corrupt in 1,2 and 3 and they don't redeem themselves unti 4,5 and 6. The Force is balanced in the light by the time the Rebels land on Endor. If Mace would of killed Palpatine in 3, then the people would of just gone on being corrupt. The oppression of the Empire makes the people come together and care for one another.
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Jun 30, 2005 8:19 AM
George Lucas has maintained Balance is restored by destroying the Sith. It's the presence of the Sith that create imbalance. Mace destroying Palpatine would go a great distance toward restoring that balance, especially since Dooku is already dispatched. But...it may have been destiny to happen the way it did, all the same. Mace was certainly not who was supposed to destroy the Sith. Maybe by Anaklin's report of the Chancellor's identity, that alone could be considered his destiny? A reach, to be sure. Who knows how the Prophecy was intended to be fulfilled - perhaps exactly as it was.
ithekro
date Posted: Jul 11, 2005 8:11 PM
IF, a big thing those two letters.
If Mace Windu had killed Palpatine, would he have fallen to the dark side along with Anakin? They might not be able to have full Sith training, but two there would still be. But who would be the master, and who's the apprentice?
  Darth Razorback
The Dawn to an End
date Posted: Jul 19, 2005 2:49 AM
What I have seen no one mention is that Mace Windu is the person who turns Anakin, not Palpatine. He forces Anakin to make a choice. Palpatine only sets up the choice. Windu is the person who leaves Anakin with no other option but to react, or go against everything he believes and needs.

Mace Windu, in the end, is the great, unintentional, poison of the Jedi Order.
DJ Maul: Got Feet?
DJ Maul's Dancin' Cantina Party
date Posted: Jul 19, 2005 8:52 AM
I've gone unto this topic myself a bit more in depth here but in essence I agree with your assesment.

Mace blew any chance at kepping Anakin on his side when he showed his total lack of TRUST in Anakin by leaving "The Chosen One" behind when confronting The Sith Lord, despite the fact that Anakin DID THE RIGHT THING at the moment and told the Jedi instead of taking matters into his own hands. He told the TRUTH to Mace, despite how much it might hurt him, and Mace basically spit in Anakins face and said "stay home, boy, I dont TRUST you."

That was what REALLY caused Anakins choice.
Sierra Jae
Galactic Musings of a Jedi Princess
date Posted: Jul 19, 2005 12:58 PM
I do not agree with the original post, in that if it is wrong of Mace or any Jedi to kill a truly evil person when necessary, then: 1) why were they involved in a war, 2) why did Yoda send Obi-Wan to kill Anakin, 3) why did Yoda go to kill Palpatine and say "I have failed" when he ended up not killing him, etc. It seems to me that if it were wrong of Mace to want to dispatch Palpatine, then it was also wrong of Obi-Wan and Yoda to try and dispatch Anakin and Palpatine. If it had been anyone but Palpatine at Mace's mercy, I don't think Anakin would've cared (death of Dooku a case in point). Anakin made his decision because of the specific promises Palpatine made to him about being able to save Padmé.
  Darth tutor
Darth Tutor on a damn fool crusade to get together a real Jedi Order
date Posted: Jul 19, 2005 1:57 PM
I completely agree with the original post. It wasn't the loss of a limb that crippled Mace's skill in defending him from Sidous' lightning attack. Sidious held back for he saw that Mace's attempted assassination of Sidious would push Anakin accross the edge. Mace fulfilled Sidious' expectations and so he made the wrong choice.

In Mace's action a development culminates. One that started years earlier when the Jedi adopt a Clone Army to fight ... droids. They agree to sacrifice life in a battle against steel and electronics. They should have realised they could have done better.
  the freak123
date Posted: Jul 19, 2005 3:41 PM
Very good take on the issue Abel, I do feel that ole Palpy threw the fight a bit knowing Anakin would arrive and his intervention would be the final straw to break the proverbialy force camels back between the dark side and the light. But if Mace would have yeilded Anakin and himself might have been able to take Sidious into custody, so Mace did make the wrong decision. I think it would have been cooler if Mace fought Anakin like in the ep3 video game, anyone else.
  jedijason91
Random Ramblings of a Chicano Fan
date Posted: Jul 19, 2005 5:21 PM
Amazing, I completely agree with you Abel.
  Z-score
The Star Wars Uncle
date Posted: Jul 19, 2005 6:51 PM
I think Sierra Jae is right.
  AirSithkiller
date Posted: Jul 20, 2005 9:52 PM
Anakin betrayed Mace for the oldest and lamest reason of all time. He was p-whipped. Abel please stop writing. You've watched too many Lifetime movies. Mace's only mistake was he shouldn't have announced his intention to kill Sidious. He should've just killed him. How could it be wrong for Mace to kill Sidious when the climax of all 6 movies is Anakin killing Sidious?
  DarkSideGeek
date Posted: Jul 22, 2005 1:50 PM
I can't but comment - Abel, G ON writing. I love your analyses. This was so aptly put. :_|
  Kyle Katarn, Jedi Knight
Katarn's Cruiser
date Posted: Aug 17, 2005 12:07 PM
Wonderfully written article Abel. Well done. Deep down, I cheered for Palpatine when he lit Mace up with his lightning and screamed out POWER........
starhorsepax
date Posted: Sep 18, 2005 12:59 PM
I think the Mace observations here raise 2 questions. One is would Anakin have fallen and 2 is would Palpatine have really been prosecuted by a government he already mostly owned. The second is probably not, leaving the jedi a problem. The first is Not Today. Anakin was very unstable-balanced between Palpatines promise of help saving Padme and his belief in the jedi. Anakin (according to the book.) did feel guilt over killing Dooku, so Mace doing the same thing shattered the belief. Whereas if Mace held firm, the crisis of saving Padme in childbirth might've been avoided since his actions actually caused her death. Palpatine would've lost his greatest weapon against Anakin if the crisis would've averted.
  ^_^ flying sith monkey ^_^
date Posted: Jan 03, 2006 12:25 PM
Mace did not deserve to die even though he killed bobas pa pa (still kinda mad about thatX-( ) He was a good man and deserved a more plensent death:_|
Chris2OneBee
The Comatose Blog of Chris2OneBee
date Posted: Aug 04, 2006 2:12 PM
Well, what happens when Palpatine's at Mace's mercy? He starts monologuing! Talking about how EVIL Sidious is, and how INEVITABLE his defeat is, and how THE REPUBLIC WILL SOON BE SAFE! You know, YAMMERIN'! If he just slices and dices without hesitation, no moral debate comes up. Whatever Jedi principles were involved, killing Sidious, even in cold blood, would've been an act of DEFENSE for the entire galaxy. This guy did start a war that caused untold suffering and death; he manipulated the Senate and corrupted a good man, Anakin. Mace's only error was his hesitation, assuming the Senate wouldn't buy Palpatine's treachery. One possibility of many...
Chris2OneBee
The Comatose Blog of Chris2OneBee
date Posted: Aug 04, 2006 2:16 PM
...The other is that he brings Anakin with him. Anakin would be forced to fight Sidious, I suspect. And in the end, to choose. Who are we kidding? I wouldn't have brought Anakin, either. A better alternative for Mace was to not let Yoda go to Kashyyyk. Mace & Yoda could've defeated Sidious together. A third option--for Anakin to not even be ON Coruscant; I would've sent Anakin with Obi-Wan to Utapau to handle Grievous. Keep him out of the situation if you don't trust him, keep him busy elsewhere, rather than alone in the Council Chamber with nothing to think of but Padme. Make sense? It ought to.
Chris2OneBee
The Comatose Blog of Chris2OneBee
date Posted: Aug 04, 2006 2:19 PM
Honestly, Sidious was going to force Mace's hand--to either kill or be killed. And Anakin was NEVER going to choose the Jedi over the man who seemed the only one capable of saving his wife. So realistically, Mace should've dealt with the sucka, and then stood over him and said, "Now can you dig THAT, sucka? That's how I deal with suckas. That's how I roll..." That might've looked evil and brutal, but...hey, sure beats 24 years of Imperial oppression and the destruction of Alderaan and countless other innocents in civil war...
  Blizzard Two
LET'S BLOW THIS THING AND GO HOME...!
date Posted: Dec 14, 2006 4:06 PM
There is no emotion; there is peace.
There is no ignorance; there is knowledge.
There is no passion; there is calm.
There is no death; there is only the Force.

Forgot some of those, didn't we, Mace? Allowed our pride and anger and grief at the deaths of so many friends and comrades to guide our hand? It happens in real life; that I know from experience. A terrible shame, but very human flaw, that he should lose his control at such a time.
  Blizzard Two
LET'S BLOW THIS THING AND GO HOME...!
date Posted: Dec 14, 2006 4:06 PM
There is no emotion; there is peace.
There is no ignorance; there is knowledge.
There is no passion; there is calm.
There is no death; there is only the Force.

Forgot some of those, didn't we, Mace? Allowed our pride and anger and grief at the deaths of so many friends and comrades to guide our hand? It happens in real life; that I know from experience. A terrible shame, but very human flaw, that he should lose his control at such a time.
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