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 | The Death of Shaak Ti and the Birth of Vader |
 George Lucas has said that SW is at heart a story about fathers and sons, but stories, like people, have a shadow side and there is always more than what shows up easily on the surface. I have been thinking about this shadow side of SW for months now. I hesitate to call what I am thinking about a minor theme because the fact that it is a hidden theme does not make it any less significant than the more overt ones - in fact I think its presence mirrors our own situation in our very own galaxy: The Missing Feminine
"Goddesses don't die they just go underground"
The Fate of Shaak Ti
There is a particular Jedi that GL worked hard to kill off in a couple different scenes that were filmed but never made it into ROTS. Their existence has always intrigued me. The Jedi whose death seems imminent is Shaak Ti whose importance, I believe, is revealed when it is understood that her name is the same word in Hindu that labels the female aspect of the divine (shakti). In one scene (which can be found in the ROTS deleted scenes) it is Grievous who kills her aboard his ship Invisible Hand. In another scene it is Anakin who kills her while she is deep in meditation during his march on the Jedi Temple (This scene can be found in the book The Making of ROTS). In both she is seated, passive, and stabbed through the back while unarmed (the Feminine ideal of being, not doing). I find the scene in which Anakin kills her himself particularly interesting. It seems to put into physical form the very transition that Anakin is going through as he merges more and more with the dark side. Here Masculine and Feminine represent more than just genders, they represent a continuum of qualities that all of us possess to some degree whether male or female. When Anakin turns to the dark side it is the Feminine that is sacrificed and all that it represents. Compassion and connection are surrendered for the sake power, control, domination, and perfection. He literally kills the Divine Feminine and makes way for the rise of the machine of the state and the heavy hand of the unchecked Masculine. But there is a twist and just like many myths there are multiple versions. As I said above: "Goddesses don't die, they just go underground." There is much debate as to whether Shaak Ti did actually die. Her fate is a mystery. I think the fact that her fate is ultimately unknown speaks to the resilience of the Divine Feminine whose fire, it would appear, has not gone out of the universe - not yet.
Padme Fades
In the PT, especially in TPM, women play an important role. Shmi is the mother of the Chosen One, Padme is Queen of an entire planet and has a whole gaggle of pistol packing handmaidens who rush unflinchingly into the heart of a battle and win it. Not only that there are many female Jedi, as well as prominent female politicians. However, as the PT continues the role of women shifts. In AOTC Shmi is tortured and killed. This is, of course, a pivotal loss for Anakin. He has lost his mother for a second time, and as has often been noted seems to look to Padme as a replacement for the loss of such an important nurturing figure. However, what I think is more important is that Anakin never figured out how to find that nurturing quality in himself. The nurturing of the Feminine was ever and always located outside of himself, and so the balance of Masculine and Feminine in Anakin was tilted. When he began to have dreams of Padme's death he abandoned the parts of himself that could be compassionate, calm, and passive for the side of himself that required perfect power so that he might control her fate. The more out of balance the Masculine and Feminine became within Anakin the further he slipped to the Dark Side. His inner psychological slip is also mirrored in Padme and Anakin's outer relationship. A marriage on its symbolic level is supposed to represent harmony, and a union of opposites (here again the Masculine and Feminine). I think this is shown even in the sets used for Padme's apartments. On her private landing platform which is open to the Coruscant air there sits a fountain. This fountain I realized one day is exactly like a Hindu Lingam and Yoni. Lingams and Yonis can be found all over India, and they are the most basic representation of the energy of a god and goddess together (Just look at that fountain, think of your basic anatomy for male and female, and you'll know exactly what I mean). The Lingam and Yoni together is the symbol of a balanced union - something the Skywalker marriage may have had at one time, but definitely loses throughout ROTS. When Padme's life is threatened at Anakin's hands it is more than just a scene of heartbreaking domestic violence it is also exactly what Anakin has done to himself - suffocated the Inner Feminine. Padme is right he has expected too much of himself - in his attempts to be in perfect control, he has lost touch with the parts of himself that might have been okay to let events unfold without his interference.
Padme's death has seemed to many to be unbelievable. How could it be that the fierce Queen we saw in TPM would just lie down and die in ROTS? On the surface it seems confusing, but when seen from the light of how the Masculine and Feminine shift it makes perfect sense. As the balance shifts more and more towards the side of the dominating Masculine, Padme, the representative of the Feminine becomes smaller and smaller, until she just....fades. This is not unlike our own history, which is illustrated beautifully by the Greek myth of Metis. Metis, it was foretold, would give birth to a son who would overthrow his father. When Zeus found out Metis was pregnant by him he tricked her into making herself small and swallowed her up. How could a once powerful goddess like Metis allow this to happen? There are many reasons, most of them very dark, but what the story does is illustrate for us is the metaphoric moment when the Divine Feminine was swallowed up by the patriarchy - it does not have to make sense - it's simply a reflection of a historical truth. I think Padme's story mirrors that truth in the GFFA.
Then come the dark times, and notice, that in the films wherever the Empire is represented there are no women. None. There is no place for the Feminine on a Super Star Destroyer, or on a Death Star (except as a tortured captive). But here we have another new hope, because, once again "goddesses don't really die, they just go underground," and in this case that means into the Rebellion. In the Rebellion there are women. In fact, in the Rebellion, though few in number, women like Mon Mothma and Leia lead the way. But it's more than the physical presence of women I am referring to. It's those qualities of love, connection, and compassion that have also managed to survive through the work of the Alliance. This is exemplified in the simple phrase "May the Force be with you." In the Empire people no longer believe in the Force, its very existence is questioned, but in the Rebellion that fire has been kept alive and along with it the belief that there is something out there that connects every living thing.
Padme Reborn
Finally by ROTJ one can see that the Feminine is making a comeback. Luke learns that he is but half of the whole - there is also Leia his physical twin, and in a symbolic way his budding awareness of his own sense of compassion. Luke even begins to ask about his mother. For the first time he is looking for her, and though we know he believes he has no memory of Padme it's clear that somehow she's there with him. There have been many blogs about how Padme's presence makes it into the end of the OT though her name is never mentioned. Two in particular come to mind: Kenobi-fan and his great entry about Luke's birthplace at Bespin, and Amidalooine who wrote beautifully about how Padme was there on the bridge at Endor. The fact that Luke repeats almost exactly his dying mother's words "there's good in him," is just too perfect and precise a connection to be disregarded. We are meant to think of Padme at that moment - just as we are meant to think of Luke's future those few moments before Padme dies. The goodness buried in Vader is the missing Feminine, and all that it represents (connection, compassion, change, mindful being). It's that nurturing part of himself, that got lost, that went underground, but isn't dead though all may seem bleak. We can't see the goddess anymore, but she's there. Lastly, perhaps the greatest instance of the reemergence of the Feminine is in the way Luke approaches the whole situation on the second Death Star. Though he slips at times into anger and aggression, and attempts to control the situation with his lightsaber Luke largely abandons those weapons and works with compassion and connection instead. This is the Divine Feminine at work, and when the men are able to find it in themselves everything changes. The prophecy is fulfilled and the Force regains its balance: the balance of Masculine and Feminine.
Or, as a wise young man said: Men are from Tatooine and Women are from Naboo....
So ends my epic!!!! 
MTFBWY....always
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Kenobi-fan The Jundland Wastes Journal
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date Posted: Jan 10, 2007 11:29 AM
Then come the dark times, and notice, that in the films wherever the Empire is represented there are no women. None.
Yes! Excellent point and awesome blog!
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hansgirl3 Invoking the Squee
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date Posted: Jan 10, 2007 11:40 AM
Fabulous, dear AS1!
You have done it again; an amazing thought-filled blog that really inspires! 
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jedilily1026 Years Matter Not (Gone Crazy...Be Back Soon)
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date Posted: Jan 10, 2007 11:47 AM
This fountain I realized one day is exactly like a Hindu Lingam and Yoni. Lingams and Yonis can be found all over India, and they are the most basic representation of the energy of a god and goddess together (Just look at that fountain, think of your basic anatomy for male and female, and you'll know exactly what I mean).
I learned something new...
Great entry....The goodness buried in Vader is the missing Feminine, and all that it represents (connection, compassion, change, mindful being).
I wish most men would surrender to their feminine side sometimes...it would our (women's) life easier.
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jkelly There Is No Conflict
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date Posted: Jan 10, 2007 11:47 AM
in fact I think its presence mirrors our own situation in our very own galaxy: The Missing Feminine
But is it missing? Working off some of your themes (and good ones), just because it's "hidden" doesn't make it minor or missing.
Eastern yin-yang stuff (technical terms, they are) also describe the feminine as darker, moist, etc -- in the shadows? Powerful, behind-the-scenes stuff here. Kind of like how Mom runs the household and lets Dad think he does. Lightning and thunder vs. grains and crops. Maybe Metis jumped in, like Obi-Wan on the DS1, because she knew she could do more good there. Humble like that.
Good stuff.
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anakinside1 Echoes from the Asteroid Field
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date Posted: Jan 10, 2007 11:58 AM
Excellent point and awesome blog!
Thanks, K-fan!
Fabulous
You're too kind.
"it would make our (women's) life easier."
I think my life would be better if I surrendered to my feminine side more!
jk, you've given me a lot to think about! I admit my thoughts around this were cumbersome, and hard to tame, but I felt it was just time to get it "out there" 
In terms of "is it missing?" By the time of the Empire, and in the Empire I think it basically is.
cont.
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Kenobi-fan The Jundland Wastes Journal
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date Posted: Jan 10, 2007 11:59 AM
Maybe Metis jumped in, like Obi-Wan on the DS1, because she knew she could do more good there.
Great blogs spawn great comments...nice one, jkelly!
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anakinside1 Echoes from the Asteroid Field
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date Posted: Jan 10, 2007 12:10 PM
Maybe Metis jumped in
Here is where the specific words of the story become important. Metis was tricked into becoming small. She did not choose like Obi-Wan very clearly does to give up his life. Also, Obi-Wan becomes, as he states "more powerful" Metis is hardly remembered. Hardly being the operative word, I guess, perhaps I should say that the Feminine is missing from conscious mind. She operates in the darker regions, because that is the only terrain left available to her.
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anakinside1 Echoes from the Asteroid Field
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date Posted: Jan 10, 2007 12:11 PM
also describe the feminine as darker
I think the Feminine is often seen that way, but those with second class status must operate in the shadows. That doesn't mean, however, that they can't have their share of the properties of light when allowed their full spectrum of possibilities.... I'll keep pondering though. 
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Son of a Bith The Cantina Corner
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date Posted: Jan 10, 2007 12:52 PM
If you look at a lot of the popular sci-fi/fantasy out there, you can see the symbolism of the sacred union of masculine/feminine and the birthing (and re-birthing) process. K-Fan mentioned the scene in ESB. In The Matrix, there is the scene where Neo is in the tank with the goo (the womb). There are the connected to him that hook him up to the Matrix (placenta and umbilical cord). He is dumped out, and falls through a wet tunnel (birth canal). And finally, just like ESB, he is rescued by a female (in this case Trinity taking the place of Leia) in a futuristic ship, the Nebuchadnezzar, taking the place of the Millennium Falcon.
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Oboe-Wan Oboe-Wan's Hive of Scum & Villainy
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date Posted: Jan 10, 2007 12:55 PM
Holy Cow. I am blown away by this blog....
When Anakin turns to the dark side it is the Feminine that is sacrificed and all that it represents.
By leaving Shaak Ti's death out of ROTS, then the only feminine we see die is Padme. Unfortunately, I think the death of Shaak Ti (a fellow Jedi) is more significant to the metaphor here.
When Padme's life is threatened at Anakin's hands it is more than just a scene of heartbreaking domestic violence it is also exactly what Anakin has done to himself - suffocated the Inner Feminine.
Umm... you have left me speechless
Padme's death has seemed to many to be unbelievable.
no comment
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Oboe-Wan Oboe-Wan's Hive of Scum & Villainy
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date Posted: Jan 10, 2007 12:55 PM
Padme, the representative of the Feminine becomes smaller and smaller, until she just....fades.
But when you put it into this perspective/context, it makes perfect sense. There was no way this character could survive Anakin's final transformation. You've opened my eyes to this very important point.
In the Empire...there are no women....In the Rebellion there are women. In fact, in the Rebellion, though few in number, women like Mon Mothma and Leia lead the way.
Ok, you're like making my brain hurt. No wonder you said this took you months to write! I have no comment except to say it's an honor to know you & your mind.
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Oboe-Wan Oboe-Wan's Hive of Scum & Villainy
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date Posted: Jan 10, 2007 12:56 PM
This is the Divine Feminine at work, and when the men are able to find it in themselves everything changes. The prophecy is fulfilled and the Force regains its balance: the balance of Masculine and Feminine.
Again, wow. Instead of an absolute like "good & evil" you've I think found the true deeper connection here. you've given me quite a lot to think about the next time I watch these films!
Lastly, go back to the name thing for a second:
shakti = divine feminine
darth vader = dark father
whoa.
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Oboe-Wan Oboe-Wan's Hive of Scum & Villainy
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date Posted: Jan 10, 2007 1:03 PM
Powerful, behind-the-scenes stuff here. Kind of like how Mom runs the household and lets Dad think he does.
jkelly, i think you just tapped your shakti
Metis was tricked into becoming small.
Speaking as a woman, I can understand how she would be "tricked", too. Aren't we all? Promises of the perfect life... only to find out that yes we are the ones doing the dirty work behind-the-scenes, in many ways "swallowed" by the masculine. If a truly balanced marriage exists in the real world, it's not always balanced is it? Sometimes it's masculine, sometimes it's feminine, sometimes it's balanced.
Know what my meditation mantra has been since I got married? Sitaram
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The Stooge Star Wars Joke-A-Day
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date Posted: Jan 10, 2007 1:50 PM
I always loved how GL intercut Padme giving birth with Vader being born... clearly, her death, and the absence of her influence, was connected to his fall to the Dark Side.
Fascinating stuff -- and great read!
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viagoangel2 Were Anakin and Padme' really one?
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date Posted: Jan 10, 2007 2:38 PM
You are just Fascinating! Your writing is so spellbinding that you enthrall me every time with your entries, WOW!
I find the scene in which Anakin kills her himself particularly interesting. As do I. Without analyzing it and just looking at it from the surface, the initial *stabbing thru the back* or Back Stabber is attained. This in a way, foreshadows what Anakin will/is ultimately doing to all those he loved and was loyal too.
Your feminine and Masculine mythology is just so riveting, I am captivated by it, seriously, I want more.  CONT.
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viagoangel2 Were Anakin and Padme' really one?
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date Posted: Jan 10, 2007 2:43 PM
The prophecy is fulfilled and the Force regains its balance: the balance of Masculine and Feminine Love this! Bravo, Milady, bravo.
" Look beyond what you seek ( or is that, see?) " This is what Anakin needed to do and couldn't, because he was diseased by the Dark Side, sort of like alcoholism. He had to hit rock bottom before he could see what he had truly become.
Just awesome, AS1, beautiful! ~Angel~
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MomOf2YoungPadawan Mamadala's Lair
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date Posted: Jan 10, 2007 2:46 PM
Once again, you have awed me in a way that only YOU can...this is the stuff that professional journal articles are made of, milady!!
I never cease to be utterly sucked into my 'puter screen whenever I read one of your amazing entries - I absolutely LOVE the connections you make between SW and other entities, whether they be cultural, spiritual or mythological.
her name is the same word in Hindu that labels the female aspect of the divine (shakti). I never would have known that...!
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MomOf2YoungPadawan Mamadala's Lair
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date Posted: Jan 10, 2007 2:46 PM
The nurturing of the Feminine was ever and always located outside of himself, and so the balance of Masculine and Feminine in Anakin was tilted. OK, THAT gave me the chills...soooooo true!
This fountain I realized one day is exactly like a Hindu Lingam and Yoni You amaze me...
in the films wherever the Empire is represented there are no women. None. That's because Palpy would never admit that girls rule and guys drool....or something like that  !
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MomOf2YoungPadawan Mamadala's Lair
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date Posted: Jan 10, 2007 2:47 PM
The prophecy is fulfilled and the Force regains its balance: the balance of Masculine and Feminine....woah...
We can't see the goddess anymore, but she's there thanks for reminding me of that...I'll try and remember this when I look at myself tomorrow morning without makeup
Ahhh, seriously...no wonder this took you months...it wouldv'e taken me YEARS. Bravo, my friend!! 
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MomOf2YoungPadawan Mamadala's Lair
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date Posted: Jan 10, 2007 2:50 PM
Backstabber....oooh, good catch, Angel Baby!!!
sort of like alcoholism. He had to hit rock bottom before he could see what he had truly become. Wowee....phenomenal analogy...soooooo true....
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DJ Maul: Got Feet? DJ Maul's Dancin' Cantina Party
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date Posted: Jan 10, 2007 3:03 PM
excellent entry!
Very reminecent of the ideas explored in "The DaVinci Code" which I thoughly enjoyed (the novel, the movie not so much) but I like the way you connected the Sacred feminine to the SW universe.
good work!
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JediPug1 Like My Father Before Me
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date Posted: Jan 10, 2007 3:13 PM
Very interesting entry, AS1. I've never put much faith into the idea of the Divine or Sacred Feminine, but that didn't make me enjoy your thoughts any less. We have different views and that's okay. Nice job!
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padmeskywalker77 Padme's Legacy
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date Posted: Jan 10, 2007 3:17 PM
I am completely awed by this, milady...and I am so glad I had a chance to read this before I left  . I really cannot highlight any line in particular because everything was just so amazingly well-written. Like MO2YP said, I once again found myself being "sucked in" toward the screen as I read this.
I have noticed the reference to * mother* in the PT versus the OT, but I never really completely understood this. I agree that Luke knew more of Padme' than he could recall...he just did not realize it.
Thanks for stimulating my brain this evening...I will ponder more on this and may check back later (if I have access to a computer  )
Wonderful job
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anakinside1 Echoes from the Asteroid Field
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date Posted: Jan 10, 2007 3:28 PM
In The Matrix
Thanks for the reminder that I should definitely watch that again. I think I'd see it in a whole new way now.
shakti = divine feminine
darth vader = dark father
NIiiiiice!
Oboe I am thrilled by your response. I really didn't know how people would respond, but this subject matter just felt so important to me that I wanted to say it.
Speaking as a woman, I can understand how she would be "tricked", too. Aren't we all?
I feel like I am just waking up to that. I always thought I was beyond that 2nd class stuff, only to find I've been acting it out in so many unconscious ways!
Sitaram
What does that mean?
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anakinside1 Echoes from the Asteroid Field
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date Posted: Jan 10, 2007 3:34 PM
I always loved how GL intercut Padme giving birth with Vader being born
He is a genius! Did you tell him that when you met him?
Back Stabber
Good catch! That is such a great connection! Thanks, Angel.
thanks for reminding me of that...I'll try and remember this when I look at myself tomorrow morning without makeup
Honey, I bet you're beautiful without make-up. I hope you do try to remember it!  Thanks for your heartfelt comments.
Very reminecent of the ideas explored in "The DaVinci Code"
Absolutely! I was thinking of referencing some of that too, but it just was getting tooooooo long!
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jkelly There Is No Conflict
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date Posted: Jan 10, 2007 4:36 PM
Metis was tricked into becoming small.
I know you're up to this: get a good translation from the original and a dictionary. Just because it comes out that way in English doesn't mean it's the best meaning. I'd really be interested.
but those with second class status must operate in the shadows.
I don't know about that. Going to the Eastern stuff, the feminine is associated more with darkness. Does your statement confuse the cart and the horse?
Is it really so "second class" to provide the harvest? Why do all you wonderful women always want the flashy lightning bolt?
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jkelly There Is No Conflict
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date Posted: Jan 10, 2007 4:57 PM
But don't you dare ask me to turn over my flashy lightning bolt! I'm compensating
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anakinside1 Echoes from the Asteroid Field
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date Posted: Jan 10, 2007 6:08 PM
We have different views and that's okay.
It is okay. Thanks for your comments, and for being so respectful though you feel differently.
and I am so glad I had a chance to read this before I left
I'm glad you did too! Have a great trip, and thanks for your comments.
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anakinside1 Echoes from the Asteroid Field
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date Posted: Jan 10, 2007 6:09 PM
*ahem* and I quote:
"Now Zeus, king of the gods, made Metis his wife first, and she was wisest among gods and mortal men. But when she was about to bring forth the goddess bright-eyed Athene, Zeus craftily deceived her with cunning words and put her in his own belly."
Hesiod's Theogony
translated by Hugh G. Evelyn-White
I don't know why I bother, you'll just complain now that it isn't a good translation....
crafty: subtly deceitful; sly; cunning; artful
deceit: a dishonest action or trick
cunning: 1. skillful or clever 2. skillful in deception
She was deceived by a lie. It happens to even the wisest of us - even Yoda, even Obi-Wan.
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jediholteh
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date Posted: Jan 10, 2007 6:12 PM
Padme's death has seemed to many to be unbelievable.
I knew eventually it had to happen. But after I'd seen AOTC, I always thought she'd die in battle, not just "losing the will to live". It doesn't seem quite sufficient, but like you pointed out, it does eventually make perfect sense. Before, I'd always thought that, having the hope and confidence in a "good" Anakin, that she had all the more reason to live. But again, it had to happen. The symbolism in ROTS still amazes me..and you seem to be the one constantly helping me realize them. Thanks for the great read! <3
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brooklooineghost Just a simple mom trying to make my way in the (expanded) universe
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date Posted: Jan 10, 2007 6:13 PM
In both she is seated, passive, and stabbed through the back while unarmed (the Feminine ideal of being, not doing).
very, very interesting . . . this reminds me of Obi-Wan's death - how in sacrificing his human form, he became more powerful than ever. If she died unarmed, Shaak Ti in death would certainly have become more than another victim of Order 66 - killing her would, indeed, have become part of Anakin's transition to Vader, bringing him one step closer to his destiny.
(con't)
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brooklooineghost Just a simple mom trying to make my way in the (expanded) universe
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date Posted: Jan 10, 2007 6:13 PM
although i don't think i would necessarily have wanted to see her die in this way - the combination of her death (order 66 being carried through always makes me cry) and Anakin's 'fall' is just overwhelmingly sad - sometimes i regret that scenes like this have to end up on the cutting room floor. they explain so much, and give us so much to think about, as you've done here (as usual)
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jkelly There Is No Conflict
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date Posted: Jan 10, 2007 6:35 PM
She was deceived by a lie.
One of those primordial truths, huh?
I know you've got a scholarly book somewhere that parses the "true" meanings of the original words from the original language. Whose translation are you using? Search, I must ... at bn.com.
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anakinside1 Echoes from the Asteroid Field
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date Posted: Jan 10, 2007 6:53 PM
Whose translation are you using?
Did you even read my last comment to you?
It takes you forever to admit you're wrong doesn't it? Come on, just admit it. It won't hurt very much.... I know your up to this.
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amidalooine The Emotional Galaxy
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date Posted: Jan 10, 2007 7:23 PM
You are such a gifted writer, as1...just so gifted.
However, what I think is more important is that Anakin never figured out how to find that nurturing quality in himself.
I have thought (though not nearly so deeply as you) about the masculine and feminine aspects in the themes of SW, but I never thought about Anakin's weakness in this way. The fact that he looked only externally for the feminine, unable to find it in himself, tells me that Anakin, too, was swallowed up by the overwhelming masulinity of the Dark Side. His own feminine side, Anakin's own inner Goddess, "went underground," went under the black armor of Darth Vader, until it was freed by the feminine side of Luke...
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jkelly There Is No Conflict
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date Posted: Jan 10, 2007 7:41 PM
Did you even read my last comment to you?
I may be wrong, but isn't Hesiod a Greek name? Now, I'm either going to sound snarky or stupid (and I'm not sure which yet), but doesn't that mean he was dead long before the modern English language?
I'm keeping my fingers crossed, as I may be evidencing my stupid-ness. Please be kind.
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amidalooine The Emotional Galaxy
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date Posted: Jan 10, 2007 7:48 PM
Regarding jkelly's comments about the lightning bolts as they relate to this blog...I wonder this about myself all the time. Why can't I accept the inherent, strong femininity in what I do as a stay-at-home-mother? Why do I rebel against the stereotype that my life respresents and constantly reach for the lightning bolt?
If we look at SW, it was only when the women of the saga were reaching for the lightningbolt, embracing their masculinity, that they were vibrant and powerful and...well...alive. So many of us don't want to see wimpy Padme; we want to fiesty, gun-totin' Padme....
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amidalooine The Emotional Galaxy
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date Posted: Jan 10, 2007 7:49 PM
Damn! How much do I have to shop this up to make it less than 750 characters?????
It has been my contention for a very long time that Padme was at her most powerful in doing that which is inherently feminine...giving birth to the saviors of the galaxy and saving Anakin in the process, even as she had to die for her cause. The fact that she was there on the bridge (thank you so much for the shout out, as1!) speaks volumes about her significance to Anakin, to Luke, and to the galaxy.
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amidalooine The Emotional Galaxy
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date Posted: Jan 10, 2007 7:49 PM
Naysayers seem to ignore the power of her demise (and I have to admit that I have been one of them, right Oboe, jkthunder??), but as as1 so eloquently points out, it was the act of this Goddess' going underground that allowed her power to take seed, to come to fruition.
And the masuline side of things in this family is listening to the TV way too loudly and I can't think anymore!
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Jan 10, 2007 8:42 PM
One of the most culminative points of the saga for me, pertaining to this theme of feminine-masculine balance, is in ROTJ when Luke's thoughts reveal his sister to Vader. It's sort of like the last spurt of impassioned conflict between father and son that guides them back both down, and ultimately to peace.
Great stuff here, as usual as1
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Oboe-Wan Oboe-Wan's Hive of Scum & Villainy
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date Posted: Jan 10, 2007 10:01 PM
Sitaram
What does that mean?
Ram=energy pattern for truth, righteousness & virtue in the male aspect
Sita=female aspect of the energy pattern of Ram. Represents nature in the form of mother.
When joined together the two mantras embody the energy existing in an ideal marriage or union.
Hence, the balance of male & female.  cool eh? I've been chanting this one since 1997 & I think it helps. 
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anakinside1 Echoes from the Asteroid Field
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date Posted: Jan 11, 2007 6:06 AM
I knew eventually it had to happen.
Sad, but true.
this reminds me of Obi-Wan's death
Have you been talking to jkelly!  (Enjoy your day today!)
doesn't that mean he was dead long before the modern English language?
How do you believe a word of your Bible? Wasn't it written long before the modern English language? Have you checked every word for accuracy, or do you read it in the original? (Does that count as unkind  I hope it doesn't!   )
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anakinside1 Echoes from the Asteroid Field
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date Posted: Jan 11, 2007 6:10 AM
So many of us don't want to see wimpy Padme
That's the issue isn't it? She's much more passive (which is not the same as wimpy, but that's how we interpret passivity now). Interestingly enough, if Anakin could have been passive Padme would be alive. It is his action that killed her.
Why can't I accept the inherent, strong femininity in what I do as a stay-at-home-mother? Because society devalues the Feminine, and so when you're a woman it is hard at times to value yourself. That's what I think. Thanks for the comments! 
You should read The Heroine's Journey I think it would flip your wig.
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anakinside1 Echoes from the Asteroid Field
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date Posted: Jan 11, 2007 6:13 AM
when Luke's thoughts reveal his sister to Vader.
It's true. I also think it's very significant that Anakin's last words were about his daughter.
Sitaram
You know as I was looking at that word I thought I see the name Sita in there, but that's a proper name??? What a beautiful word it's a combination of two names Rama and Sita the hero and heroine of the Ramayana (a great Indian Epic). A SW equivalent might be "Padmani" or something!
You rock girl! 
As do you! 
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