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Echoes from the Asteroid Field
by: anakinside1
date posted: Apr 12, 2007 9:35 AM
What's in a Name?
Star Wars is full of symbols, that's one of the things I love best about it. Everything has the potential to mean so much more than what appears on the surface, and I have often wondered which symbols are meant to be messages to us as audience members and which are meant to be understood by the characters themselves.

Most of the time when I wonder something like this it has to do with names. For instance, Padme means lotus. When I learned that it told me a lot about who Padme is. The lotus is a symbol of motherhood, the physical world, and eternal renewal. But is that symbolism a code that is meant only for the audience and kept secret from the characters within the GFFA? Or am I supposed to believe on some level that Dooku understands his name means poison, or that Maul is cognizant of the fact that he got his name for some pretty violent reasons? I'm not sure, but as I was watching ESB the other day. I found myself wishing and hoping that the characters were aware of what messages are behind some of the more symbolic names.

It all began as the movie was ending. Vader had revealed to his son what their true relationship was, and had returned to his Star Destroyer. I watched him standing alone on the bridge like I have a hundred times and then he said it,

Luke.

And it hit me. In the context of the story Padme chose that name, and not just any name. She chose a name that means something. It means light. At the end of ROTS I think that Padme knew she was dying, that she wouldn't live to see Anakin again, but that doesn't mean she didn't have one last thing to say to him, to remind him of. Whenever Vader calls out to his son he's literally calling out to the light, and I like to believe that that's just what Padme wanted him to do. It's a message in a bottle not just for us, but for her husband, one that says "come back. I love you."

What do you think?:)
MTFBWY:x

amidalooine
The Emotional Galaxy
date Posted: Apr 12, 2007 9:46 AM
I think I love how your mind works, as1! :x

I haven't wondered these things in exactly the same context, but I have wondered whether or not the characters are aware of some of the subtler things that we, the audience, are aware of. The example you give is an excellent one.

Oh...and I think I wrote an entry by the same name a zillion years ago...but it actually really was just about screen names, lol!
  rj_peters
Memos from the Imperial Finance Department
date Posted: Apr 12, 2007 9:46 AM
Wow, very thoughtful. I like that sentiment a lot. It's interesting to think about Anakin/Vader saying his son's name and it resonating back to Padme. Great stuff.
  Kenobi-fan
The Jundland Wastes Journal
date Posted: Apr 12, 2007 9:48 AM
I just think GL was very thorough in unifying the themes, names, and appearances presented in Star Wars. Luke was intentional on Padme's part in so far as it was GL's intention for Luke to be the light shining in the midst of Vader's darkness. Cool none-the-less...:)
  vadersgirl33
vadersgirl_reflections
date Posted: Apr 12, 2007 9:52 AM
Wow, AS1. You bring up a good point. As Padme was dying, she intentionally named her children those names for a reason. Now that I look at it, I can see how it was a message from her to Anakin. Great job figuring this out!

vadersgirl33
viagoangel2
Were Anakin and Padme' really one?
date Posted: Apr 12, 2007 10:01 AM
She chose a name that means something. It means light.[/b]"As the Empire dies, a New Republic rises. A Legacy that has been long forgotten is reborn. The son of the begotten "Chosen One" restores what his Father has desolated and the Light finally extinguishes the Darkness." OMG! You are so incredible! What insight! You carry the very essence of the Saga within your heart, always:x Padme' KNEW it all along, that she was carrying a son, not just any son, but the "son" of the "chosen one"; "He was meant to help you." Shmi Skywalker " I'm Luke Skywalker, I'm here to rescue you!" These two statements are so poignant now, I can barely contain myself!

Wonderful, AS1, Loving It!:x
ewanandhaydenfan5
I Have You Now!
date Posted: Apr 12, 2007 10:33 AM
Beautiful blog! The last paragraph made me cry.

is that symbolism a code that is meant only for the audience and kept secret from the characters within the GFFA?
Good question. I've wondered the same thing.

I love the way GL uses names and symbolism. In Dutch, "Darth Vader" means "dark father". Of course no one knew that in the GFFA, but I wonder if Sidious did. After all, he gave Anakin that name. ;)
anakinside1
Echoes from the Asteroid Field
date Posted: Apr 12, 2007 10:46 AM
and I think I wrote an entry by the same name a zillion years ago...but it actually really was just about screen names, lol!
You know I was thinking someone had, and I was trying to remember who! Thanks, ami!

It's interesting to think about Anakin/Vader saying his son's name and it resonating back to Padme.
I totally agree. I was so used to thinking of GL as naming the character (which of course he did), but in the context of the story it's Padme who thinks it up.

Cool none-the-less...
Thanks. GL was a master at unifying themes. The underlying structure of the story is incredible!

anakinside1
Echoes from the Asteroid Field
date Posted: Apr 12, 2007 10:46 AM
Great job figuring this out!
It gave me chills when I did....and there may have been a tear or two!

You carry the very essence of the Saga within your heart, always
Angel, what a sweet thing to say. It's so fun to share it with other people who love it! :x

In Dutch, "Darth Vader" means "dark father"
Thanks for that! Cool!
  Master Deireanach
date Posted: Apr 12, 2007 10:52 AM
Super blog AS1, really got me thinking. Gave me chills when I read it the first time.
jediprincess77
I Know...
date Posted: Apr 12, 2007 11:30 AM
Wow, wonderful insight!!! Dang, I wish I could figure out how your mind works...;)

Did Anakin and Padme talk about baby names? (I can't seem to remember reading about it...but I could have just forgotten.) I would be curious to know if Anakin had any thoughts of names for their child(ren).

Anyway, regarding your entry-- I think it's fascinating when people live up to their names; their name becoming their very identity. That's exactly what Luke did, and you have made the connection that Padme wanted this to be the case. It was more than a name- it was a sort of prophecy in itself & one that was fulfilled. (Now we could go off on the Luke v. Anakin as the Chosen One...haha!)
jediprincess77
I Know...
date Posted: Apr 12, 2007 11:31 AM
It's a message in a bottle not just for us, but for her husband, one that says "come back. I love you."
Beautifully said!!! It's her way of showing Anakin that her last words to him were the truth, and that she really did love him to the end.

What a wonderful entry!!! You are awesome, AS1.:x:x
amidalooine
The Emotional Galaxy
date Posted: Apr 12, 2007 11:54 AM
You know I was thinking someone had, and I was trying to remember who! Thanks, ami!

OK, mine didn't have the same name, but I did put this blog's title in my subtitle/description. I think it was MomOf2YoungPadawan who had the same name...

And I think I need to shut the frak up for now! :D
jedilily1026
Years Matter Not (Gone Crazy...Be Back Soon)
date Posted: Apr 12, 2007 11:57 AM
I gues GL did his homework. All of this sure makes one "think" Wonderful entry!!!:D
MomOf2YoungPadawan
Mamadala's Lair
date Posted: Apr 12, 2007 12:18 PM
Daaaaaaaaaaahling...you NEVER cease to amaze me, I swear!!!!

In biblical terms, the Gospel of Luke tells of the story of Jesus' life, death and resurrection. Perhaps in GL's symbolic way, he chose the name Luke to purposely show how that boy from Tatooine would eventually resurrect the galaxy and bring it back from the darkness....possible?? ?:|

(BTW....my blog was "A Rose By Any Other Name", about the Sith naming ways :) )
Jedi Master Mina
Jedi blogging, go back to your drinks!
date Posted: Apr 12, 2007 2:04 PM
Ah, symbolism, and Star Wars is full of symbolism, isn't it. ;)

Funny you bring up this subject matter because I was watching a movie last night about symbolism. In the movie, it referenced "The Scarlet Letter" as a major piece for symbolism. I never thought of it that way, but that book is loaded with symbolism.

Of course this blog has nothing to do with that book, but I thought it was ironic how you blogged about this very topic, and I was watching a movie about it last night. ;)

Anyway, I agree with you 100% on the topic matter. Short and to the point blog. My type of bog. ;)
hansgirl3
Invoking the Squee
date Posted: Apr 12, 2007 2:38 PM
Wow! What insight into the choosing of the names, potentially, by GL. I had never thought about that, but are definitely right!

Padme chose the perfect name for Luke, in light of what he accomplished for their family and the galaxy. (pun intended...) :D

Interestingly, Leia's name in Assyrian means "ruler". Very fitting, don't you think? ;)

Love your thoughts on this! :x
The Stooge
Star Wars Joke-A-Day (gone fishin')
date Posted: Apr 12, 2007 3:12 PM
It aint just cuz GL used the first part of his last name? ;)
padmeskywalker77
Padme's Legacy
date Posted: Apr 12, 2007 3:15 PM
Wow AS1...this is amazing :x

I believe that, for once, I am actually speechless...and that is not something easily achieved these days :D

Such symbolism there is throughout the saga, why would names be any different. Luke truly was the perfect name for the son of Anakin.

Beautiful thoughts, milady :x
GalacticBabe
I Have a Bad Feeling About This!
date Posted: Apr 12, 2007 4:35 PM
Just gives me chills! What a brilliant observation! :)

Isn't it just amazing when you've watched something over and over for years and suddenly something just jumps out at you and smacks you like that?
  brooklooineghost
Just a simple mom trying to make my way in the (expanded) universe
date Posted: Apr 12, 2007 4:37 PM
YAY!!!! She's back with another one!!

It's stuff like this that makes me shake my heads at people who can't really grasp how deep the saga is, the amount of research GL (and the other writers of the films and EU books) must have done. Sometimes their ability to create such a detailed fictional universe laden with such meaning just bugs me out!

(con't)
  brooklooineghost
Just a simple mom trying to make my way in the (expanded) universe
date Posted: Apr 12, 2007 4:41 PM
When I hear the name Luke, the first thing that comes to mind (besides the obvious :D ) is the gospel of Luke (having heard the gospels read so many times in church when I was younger). After reading this, your thoughts connected with the idea that we were taught that the evangelists were the ones that brought the teachings of Jesus (the 'light of the world') to the rest of the world in the New Testament.

So many people in the world, and so many belief systems . . . yet all of us seem to be seeking the light, the good that we believe is still out there. Just like Luke was the best part of Anakin :)
  brooklooineghost
Just a simple mom trying to make my way in the (expanded) universe
date Posted: Apr 12, 2007 4:42 PM
Yeah, OK, just caught the typo in the 1st one - just in case you were wondering, it was supposed to read 'head', not 'heads' (No I'm not Medusa - although I've been told by the family that I do kinda resemble her in the morning, before I've had a chance to tame the 'do!)
anakinside1
Echoes from the Asteroid Field
date Posted: Apr 12, 2007 7:40 PM
Super blog AS1, really got me thinking.
I apologize. ;) Thanks for your comments.:D

It was more than a name- it was a sort of prophecy in itself & one that was fulfilled.
Yes, it was also like a reminder for Luke. She would have understood all to well the temptations he would have faced.

And I think I need to shut the frak up for now!
You can talk all you want girl!

I guess GL did his homework.
He certainly did. :x

Perhaps in GL's symbolic way, he chose the name Luke to purposely show how that boy from Tatooine would eventually resurrect the galaxy
Niiiiiiiice Mamadala! I have to say I love the new blog title.:x

anakinside1
Echoes from the Asteroid Field
date Posted: Apr 12, 2007 7:50 PM
but I thought it was ironic how you blogged about this very topic, and I was watching a movie about it last night.
Gotta love synchronicity!

Interestingly, Leia's name in Assyrian means "ruler". Very fitting, don't you think?
I was hoping someone would know this one, as I was too lazy to look it up. Thanks for the info.:)

It aint just cuz GL used the first part of his last name?
You know in all honesty that's why it took me so long to think about the significance of the name within the context of the story. I was so used to just thinking of it as GL telling us that he identified with Luke when he wrote the character.

anakinside1
Echoes from the Asteroid Field
date Posted: Apr 12, 2007 7:50 PM
I am actually speechless
:O ;) :x

Isn't it just amazing when you've watched something over and over for years and suddenly something just jumps out at you
So true. That's really half the fun isn't it?

YAY!!!! She's back
Thanks! It has been a couple months! I can hardly believe it!
So many people in the world, and so many belief systems . . . yet all of us seem to be seeking the light, the good that we believe is still out there.
Amen. :D
  darth maul517
Darth Jedi Maul Secura
date Posted: Apr 12, 2007 7:59 PM
What do you think?
I think this was a very enlightening blog.

I saw the symbolism in Sith names (for obvious reasons), but never in our heroes names. Now that I know I will look upon it with a different outlook. Great blog, and very well said.
JediMelindaWolf
Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.
date Posted: Apr 12, 2007 8:45 PM
as1, I am in total agreement with you. I don't think the characters' names were chosen at random. I think there is a particular meaning behind them (I'm speaking about the key and sub-key characters). I know GL had some pure fun with some of the names, but others, like Luke, Padme, Obi-wan (just to name a few) had some key elements to them. As always, you have shed a bright light on the GFFA we love . . . and love to discuss!


MTFBWY :)
MissPadme
Miss Padme's Naboo Love Nest
date Posted: Apr 12, 2007 9:36 PM
Fantastic observations; you always manage to make these amazing posts.
Darth_Hiram
A Journey into The Force
date Posted: Apr 13, 2007 9:22 AM
that is a really great connection! I often wondered as I heard Padme say the babie's names that they meant something to her. And in their literal interpretation, it means a lot to Vader too. great thoughts!
JediPug1
Like My Father Before Me
date Posted: Apr 13, 2007 11:17 AM
Great observation! I always knew Luke meant light, but I never really put the two together never mind what it all would have meant to Padme or to Vader later on. I love it when people make connections like this... then I go and bang my head on the wall for missing not putting it together myself!

Good work. :)
  Del-Arwa Elran
I can't carry it for you, but I CAN carry you! Come on!
date Posted: Apr 13, 2007 1:07 PM
After I read this I was astounded. I could help yell woah, and think about it. I knew padme was lotus, but didn't know what it meant. And, I think it is soo cool that luke means lightd, it really is a little meassage for vader. It's also so touching that whenever he says luke he refers to light. It's amazing what we can teach to each other.

AMAZING BLOG!!!:O

tHANK yOU!
anakinside1
Echoes from the Asteroid Field
date Posted: Apr 13, 2007 2:12 PM
I think this was a very enlightening blog.
Thanks, great name by the way. :)

but others, like Luke, Padme, Obi-wan (just to name a few) had some key elements to them.
Obi-Wan? I've never known how his name fits into the symbolic picture. Please enlighten me if you can.....

you always manage to make these amazing posts.
Thanks, and I haven't forgotten about the Saga Journal. I just have to get things together to make the entry fit a different form.

anakinside1
Echoes from the Asteroid Field
date Posted: Apr 13, 2007 2:13 PM
I often wondered as I heard Padme say the babie's names that they meant something to her.You know I'd never, ever wondered it until just a couple days ago. Sometimes it takes me a while!

Good work.
Thanks, Pug! :x

It's amazing what we can teach to each other.
So true! I see you're also a LOTR fan! :)
  Mace Nguyendu
date Posted: Apr 13, 2007 7:18 PM
WOW. :O THAT HAS TO BE ONE OF THE BEST BLOGS I'VE EVER READ! BRAVO!
durfroz
date Posted: Apr 13, 2007 8:47 PM
This has been one of the best blogs I've seen in a while. I found the meaning of Padme back when Phantom Menace came out but I never knew there was a meaning behind the names Luke, Leia or Obi-wan. Where were the meanings for the names found and where can I find the reference for the Sith names. Help would be appreciated.
  Sive Skywalker
date Posted: Apr 14, 2007 4:49 AM
I am so glad someone else realized the significance of Luke's name!! I love it! George Lucas had to have been thinking when he assigned all these names. Leia (or "Leah") has her own special meaning, too... something along the lines of "ruler."
JediMelindaWolf
Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.
date Posted: Apr 14, 2007 6:03 AM
Obi-Wan? I've never known how his name fits into the symbolic picture. Please enlighten me if you can.....

This is my take on Obi-wan's name (not that I've ever heard GL describe it as such) . . .

It is no secret Far Eastern culture influenced Star Wars.

The obi keeps the kimono securely in place. It encircles the robe that envelopes the body.

I like to think of Obi-wan as the one who wraps himself around the Jedi Order, keeping it in place, so to speak.

(cont. . .)
JediMelindaWolf
Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.
date Posted: Apr 14, 2007 6:14 AM
(. . .cont)


I hope I've explained this okay. I'm operating in a fog today (not at 100 percent :( ). I commented on this topic on one of granny-wan's recent blogs, and, hopefully, explained myself better there (if you want to check that out). Sorry as1. I really do try to make sense when I'm visiting with you all, but I have succombed to this beast that has been making its way through my home!

As a point of interest, Padmé may mean "lotus", but the name symbolizes "wisdom" (according to the Buddhist mantra). That is the crux of Padmé's appellation, at least IMHO.

MTFBWY :)
  napalm229
Republic Enemy: thoughts on the CIS
date Posted: Apr 14, 2007 6:52 AM
Absolutely beautiful. What a keen observation, you made a briiliant point. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.
  napalm229
Republic Enemy: thoughts on the CIS
date Posted: Apr 14, 2007 6:56 AM
Please do us a favor and post a list of all of the names in the SW saga that you know the meanings of. Now that would be fantastic. I know I would love you forever for it.:p
  ana_kin9
from the mind of swchik
date Posted: Apr 14, 2007 7:52 AM
wow this is great, it's given me something new to think about! :D ....in fact, i never thought of it that way... and it's true...i've noticed that everytime Vader calls out to Luke, he looks up like if he's looking to space or the stars....... so yeah, this is just great and fantastic...thanks for bringing it up too...;)
  RiverTam
date Posted: Apr 14, 2007 8:02 AM
"Luke" means light in our galaxy... but how did Padme know that? What if it means something else in Nubian or Huttese or some other language? Just some food for thought... :p
  Oboe-Wan
Oboe-Wan's Hive of Scum & Villainy
date Posted: Apr 14, 2007 10:15 AM
chills chills chills chills chills......
Wow, my dear, you nailed this one. The "writer" of this saga did not choose the names of his characters lightly. Although, like River says, Luke may mean things in other languages, it doesn't matter because this was written by someone from Earth who chose the name for a specific purpose. Like "Darth Vader" meaning "Dark Father" in what, Dutch? Coincidence? I think not.

GREAT thoughts. Thanks for sharing!
marybrainchild
SidiousSith's Holocron
date Posted: Apr 14, 2007 11:04 AM
chills chills chills chills chills...... Chills alright! Wow... this is amazing. I never thought about the story from this view before.. It's wild how things just seem to connect together in ways nobody could have predicted back in 1977, yet if they looked-what they would have found.... So neat.

It's a message in a bottle not just for us, but for her husband, one that says "come back. I love you."

You just absolutely hit this on the button. It's astounding how much symbolism one can find in SW when you look!! (I never knew Dooku=poison...) Excellent entry!!! :D
  knott@capital.net
Blogs By Grace
date Posted: Apr 14, 2007 12:53 PM
Excellent blog, excellent.

Did you know the name Anakin actually means warrior?
  DarthMeaghan13
sw video game in the near future
date Posted: Apr 14, 2007 5:00 PM
THAT IS REALLY COOL!!! i had always thought they meant something, but you put al the clues together. GREAT WORK!!!!!
DJ Maul: Got Feet?
DJ Maul's Dancin' Cantina Party
date Posted: Apr 14, 2007 5:03 PM
well done. I knew the symbolism of many of the names but never knew Luke literally meant "Light" and that does add a new aspect to it.

The Sith names I think are intentionally designed around violent words: Sideous = insideous, Tyrannus = Tyrant, Vader = Invader, and Maul, well...Maul, LOL.

excellent thoughts! thanks for sharing them.
  Addy wan Kenobi
date Posted: Apr 14, 2007 5:58 PM
I'd like to think GL had it all planned from the beginning, but there's just so many obvious plot flaws between original and prequel trilogies (both of which I enjoy equally, by the way) that I just can't see it myself. Sorry.

;
  crmatusiak
date Posted: Apr 15, 2007 9:16 AM
You've run into the classic error that a lot of literary essayists do in trying to look too deeply into subtext. The idea of all the names having meaning is very interesting, but it simply isn't true. In an interview he did back in 1979, GL outright admits to having named Luke after himself ( Luke/Lucas), because the character upheld traits he wished he would have possessed. It doesn't go any ####her than that, unfortunately.
  jedi_peace19
date Posted: Apr 15, 2007 12:48 PM
You've run into the classic error that a lot of literary essayists do in trying to look too deeply into subtext. The idea of all the names having meaning is very interesting, but it simply isn't true.

i understand where you are coming from, but very often significant symbolism is found in literary works, or in this case films, that weren't necessarily intended by the author/creator, but nevertheless they exist, call it coincidence, or fate...

(con't)
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