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by: TheBothanBoy

date posted: Jul 30, 2006 8:50 AM | updated: Aug 07, 2006 12:49 PM

3 Jedi Dead, and a whole load of Lightning

Hi Guys!!!!!!!

As I watched ROTS last night I wondered why Anakin didn't ask questions about the 4 dead jedi. When the 4 jedi entered Palpatines chambers sidious striked and killed Saesee Tiin, Eeth Koth and unfortunatenly Kit fisto.

When Anakin came striding in, did he miss the 3 dead jedi and wonder why they were dead. Course he did he just refused his curiousity and temptation to believe who the real enemy was.Anakin just kept his thoughts on saving Palpatine (a.k.a Darth Sidious) to secure padmes life

Next he watchs palpatine shoot his dreaded force lightning straight in the direction of Mace windu who really struggles to deflect or absorb it or whatever. But once again Anakin refuses to see the truth that Palpatine was namely....EVIL!!!!!

But then when Palpatine unleashes all power and Mace is hirled out the window and falls to his unforunate death I think Anakin finally see's the true culprits of his misguidence. The 4 jedi were dead and Anakin sat down and said

'What have I done'

At this point I believe he still remains on the light side but once again refuses this and continues to fight to save padme by killing thousands of Jedi.

I believe that Anakin had truly fallen into the Dark when he learned of Padmes death and when he released all of his anger and rage.

BB out

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	gahmah80 Gahmah's Lair of Trauma (Blog Closed Due to Inability to Renew Hyperspace Account)
date Posted: Jul 30, 2006 9:19 AM Yes, that or it could be the video game effect (where corpses disappear after a while).

	Yoda1245
date Posted: Jul 30, 2006 9:49 AM It was Agen Kolar not Eeth Koth. Eeth Koth died during the Battle of Geonosis

	Green Am I Mudhole? Slimy?! My blog this is!
date Posted: Jul 30, 2006 11:04 AM That's what I always wondered. Wasn't the evidence strong enough for even Anakin to understand? Yes, that or it could be the video game effect (where corpses disappear after a while). Green Am I

	Green Am I Mudhole? Slimy?! My blog this is!
date Posted: Jul 30, 2006 11:05 AM Yoda1245 Hey, cool, another Yoda screen name! I was wondering where all the Yoda fans were. Green Am I

	amidalooine The Emotional Galaxy
date Posted: Jul 30, 2006 1:23 PM I agree and have wondered the same things, BB. I also believe that Anakin wasn't 100% commited to the Dark Side at that point...

	**MasterYoda*** Master Jedi's Blog
date Posted: Jul 30, 2006 1:24 PM That's a good question. I wonder why? And it's Agen Kolar, not Eeth Koth.

	bcousin95
date Posted: Jul 30, 2006 2:03 PM i cant agree more

	usetheforce19 MasterMonkey13
date Posted: Jul 30, 2006 3:30 PM I'm writing a blog on this scene tomorrow, but it's not like yours BB. May the Force be with us all! God bless!

MomOf2YoungPadawan
Mamadala's Lair

date Posted: Jul 30, 2006 3:31 PM

When Anakin came striding in, did he miss the 3 dead jedi and wonder why they were dead

Actually, no. He saw them and even paused to look at Kit Fisto's severed head, remembering him from the Battle of Geonosis, and wondering if Kit thought death was funny b/c he had a smile on his face....morbid, eh?

Anakin was in such a hurry to be sure Palpy wasn't being assassinated that the deaths of those Jedi were a secondary priority at the time.

If you haven't read ROTS novel, I highly suggest it - it really adds a lot of depth and backstory to the movie.

Hope that helps

Captain Kenobi
"Grenade! Grenade!"

date Posted: Jul 30, 2006 4:06 PM

If you haven't read ROTS novel, I highly suggest it - it really adds a lot of depth and backstory to the movie.

I've heard a lot about that book, but when I heard some people on the SW Blogs quoting it, it seemed a little... weird. Apparently the book says Anakin kept cracking jokes as he cut down the Seperatists, but that's completely off. I always thought he was in agony as he did that, and I think his tear at the end of the whole thing sort of showed that. But I digress... I haven't actually read the novel yet, so who am I to judge?

I'm writing a blog on this scene tomorrow, but it's not like yours BB.

I can't wait to read it. That's one of my favorite scenes in the movie.

Green Am I

	Green Am I Mudhole? Slimy?! My blog this is!
date Posted: Jul 30, 2006 4:11 PM Whoops, sorry. My brother occasionally uses my computer, and I guess he forgot to sign off, hence the user name 'Captain Kenobi' on my last post. Green Am I

	macewindu882 Don't Go All Chewie On Me!
date Posted: Jul 30, 2006 5:25 PM Actually, this was answered in Insider, Anakin did not see their corpses according to the magazine.

	masterjedijulian Clone Commander Cody *
date Posted: Jul 31, 2006 1:54 AM Im thinking what macewindu882 is thinking.

	TheBothanBoy The Curious Bothan's Life Size Blog Archive
date Posted: Jul 31, 2006 4:43 AM thanks for all da comments guys its helped a lot

	MomOf2YoungPadawan Mamadala's Lair
date Posted: Jul 31, 2006 10:45 AM this was answered in Insider, Anakin did not see their corpses according to the magazine. Interesting, macewindu882....an inconsistency, methinks!! ! I was getting my info from the novel, which is based on the story and screenplay by GL himself. Which edition of Insider, if you please? I'd like to check that out! Thanks!

	ARC-Trooper13-92
date Posted: Jul 31, 2006 3:05 PM Yes, I definitely recomend reading the ROTS novelization by Mathew Stover...

jedi2sith567

date Posted: Jul 31, 2006 3:13 PM

I believe Darth Vader was born when Anakin learned the news of Padme's death. Anakin though fell prey to the Dark Side when he commited himself to the teachings of Sidious.

I believe Anakin was not happy with the decisions he made, that is why he was crying on Mustafar after he killed all the CIS leaders, but he did it for Padme so this is why I believe Darth Vader was not born yet. He still had love for Padme and he did not yet hate himself.

	jedi2sith567
date Posted: Jul 31, 2006 3:16 PM As for the three dead Jedi I don't think Anakin noticed and if he did he really didn't care. Anakin wasn't thinking straight at this point. We know he hasn't slept for days at this point.

DarkPadawan6
Balance to the Force

date Posted: Jul 31, 2006 3:22 PM

Well, from what we see in the film, Anakin runs down that big pillared hallway and then enters a little 'entry way' room into Palp's office when he sees Mace Windu over Palp. He actually never goes by the other room where the 3 masters were assassinated, which was i think was down a hallway to the right (when you're walking in facing the desk/window).

But in the novel, if i remember correctly, it was raining and Anakin was in a speeder. He saw lightsabre flashes in a window, so he cut a hole in a window and jumped into the room of the 3 dead Jedi, before heading to the main office chamber.
a blueprint of the office might be handy

	DarthLilja A Rogue's Point of View
date Posted: Jul 31, 2006 3:59 PM I thought that Mace and Sidious move from Palpatine's personal chambers, where the Jedi confronted him, to the central office where the senators pitched to him the Delegation of 2,000. This way, Anakin would have no knowledge of the Jedi's death and he would only have to deal with Mace's death. Maybe I am wrong; guess I'll have to watch ROTS again Darth Lilja

	cbern Omega Squad's 5th member
date Posted: Jul 31, 2006 4:07 PM read the rots novel in it he does see the dead jedi, but not in the movie, because it is a different room.

	KingoftheATATs
date Posted: Jul 31, 2006 6:08 PM I think you hit it: he just ignores it. He wants to believe that Palpatine is the good guy, therfore anything Palps does is right in Anakin's mind. He probably just assumed the Jedi were also trying to kill Palpatine and Palpatine was just defending himself.

	Master Serei Order 66 Memorial
date Posted: Jul 31, 2006 6:24 PM you are saying the same thing over and over! we get the point! I like kit fisto he's cool.

ithekro

date Posted: Jul 31, 2006 6:36 PM

On the novel: Someone commented about Anakin making jokes while killing the Speratists being completely off. Actually when I read it I could hear Vader's voice mixed with Anakin's words...it is actually eire. I wanted that in the film, Anakin speaking in a Vader type way (that "Do you think you are being treated unfairly?" tone), the dry and yet evil humor that James Earl Jones's voice can do, but with Hayden saying it. It would just feel like it is Vader, not Anakin, using that blade. Just to transition from Anakin's angst voice to Vader 's more adult tone.

mandalore65
Mandalorian Pride

date Posted: Jul 31, 2006 7:36 PM

you are saying the same thing over and over! we get the point! I like kit fisto he's cool.

My favorite Jedi.

Well, from what we see in the film, Anakin runs down that big pillared hallway and then enters a little 'entry way' room into Palp's office when he sees Mace Windu over Palp. He actually never goes by the other room where the 3 masters were assassinated, which was i think was down a hallway to the right (when you're walking in facing the desk/window).

I was going to point that out.

P.S. Nice Blog!

SharkLord of the Sith

date Posted: Jul 31, 2006 8:24 PM

Anakin didn't see the bodies, plain and simple. It's on page 48 of Star Wars Insider issue 85 (the feature story was about the DVD release of RotS). It's in the "Ask a Master Q&A" column written by Pablo Hidalgo. When asked about that, he wrote "...Anakin never saw those dead Jedi when he entered the Chancellor's office. Palpatine killed Agen Kolar, Saesee Tiin, and Kit Fisto in his more secure private office, which is down the hall from the larger space that Anakin rushes into."

Quote the novelization all you want, but the book was written and finished long before the final movie version of RotS, due to the lead times needed in publishing. And I think we can all trust Pablo

Darth Ultirius

date Posted: Jul 31, 2006 8:36 PM

I agree with whoever said that he didnt care, he just needed Palpy to live. Anakin believed that the only way to save Padme was Palpy. If Palpatine died, so did Padme, or so Annie thought. Believe me though, he was convinced he was evil, but once he saw the power that Palpatine used, he HAD to have it. Remember, in his early years as a non-jedi, he learned (like all regular people do) to feel greed.

Darth Ultirius

date Posted: Jul 31, 2006 8:36 PM

Cont. He needed the power to save his beloved. I think his early plan was to overthrow Palpatine at the end, and when Obi-Wan hurt Anakin, and he was brought back by Palpatine as Vader, he realized he was pledged to the Dark Side forever. He did, in a way, bring balance to the force between III and IV, when there were only two jedi (Obi and Yoda), and only two sith (Vader and Palpatine).

	FallenFable
date Posted: Jul 31, 2006 9:24 PM he never saw the bodies, they were in a different room, and he only knew one thing, his love for padme, so he didnt care what truely happend to any one else except her.

	darthrobert89
date Posted: Jul 31, 2006 9:36 PM i agree 125%

	Darth Ultirius
date Posted: Jul 31, 2006 9:42 PM Exacto! Precisement! Certenmente! Absolutely! Have I made it clear that I agree???

	9-foot-jedi-wookie
date Posted: Jul 31, 2006 10:14 PM I think that if Anakin did see the bodies, he must have thought the Jedi attacked Palpatine, who killed them in self defense. When he tells Padme "I saw master Windu attempt to assassinate the chancellor my self," he knows Palpatine killed the Jedi; he just thought Palpatine was defending himself.

JawaJoey
Return of the Jawa

date Posted: Aug 01, 2006 1:37 AM

He didn't see the bodies, they were in another room.

As for the lightning, he already knew full well that Palpatine was the Lord of the Sith and a master of the Dark side. It wasn't exactly a shocking revelation to learn that he knew how to use lightning. From Anakin's perspective, Palaptine was cornered and forced to use lightning in self defense. He didn't appear to be a vicious Jedi murderer at the time. Everything else was old news, only Palpatine's promise to save Padme mattered.

	Darthilvay
date Posted: Aug 01, 2006 1:54 AM Palpatine was not neccesarily evil. He (briefly) united the galaxy, and put an end to the days of corrupt senators, and he got rid of those annoying droids. If it were'nt for those rebel terrorists, the galaxy would be at peace.

	TheBothanBoy The Curious Bothan's Life Size Blog Archive
date Posted: Aug 01, 2006 2:16 AM As for the lightning, he already knew full well that Palpatine was the Lord of the Sith and a master of the Dark side i dont mean the lightning itself, I mean how it was used at that point against Mace which made Palpatine seem totally evil! Thanks for all the brilliant comments. I owe you all one BB out

Thomas75

date Posted: Aug 01, 2006 2:36 AM

Well actually those 3 other Jedi were killed in Palpatine's private little office, a completely different room than the one Anakin came striding into to see Palpatine in a stand off with Mace. So unless Anakin took the time to do a little snooping around the office while the big man was busy supposedly fighting for his life then Anakin couldn't possibly have seen the other dead Jedi.

In the end though Anakin knew darn well that Palpatine was the evil one, he was trying to save Padme and felt that anything he had to do to achieve this was ok. He knew exactly what he was doing when he cut off Mace's hand which allowed Palpatine to knock him out the window.

	DarthWaxx
date Posted: Aug 01, 2006 5:52 AM Dam he saw the bodies as it said in the novel stop being stuck up and accept it everyone always dont wanna accept what has been writing u read the book ur question will be answered stop inqoring it.

	DarthLilja A Rogue's Point of View
date Posted: Aug 01, 2006 8:01 AM The novel is a different interpretation of the story. I think the film is a better interpretation and thus, Anakin doesn't see the bodies.

JDel643579

date Posted: Aug 01, 2006 8:08 AM

The one thing that everyone seems to have forgotten is that WE know Palpatine struck down the Jedi. Anakin NEVER saw that. He walked into the office and saw Mace with his lightsaber at an unarmed Palpatine's throat. So, according to his "point of view", the Jedi were betraying the Senate by trying to assassinate the Chancellor. That is the point that Palpatine has been driving into Anakin's mind all along and he finally was able to make things look that way.

JE32

date Posted: Aug 01, 2006 9:00 AM

Falling into the Dark Side is a gradual process Anakin had already started since he was very young. Anakin was obsessed with saving Padme after loosing his mother. Yoda warned him to "let go". Much fear clouded his judgement. Fear of loosing his mother; loosing his mother; and fear of loosing Padme had blinded him to the truth of Palpatine being the evil one. "At the door of your heart evil crouches, but you must master it!"
May the Force be With You! God bless you!

	sithmasterdave0 He did bring balance to the force.
date Posted: Aug 01, 2006 9:03 AM As far as turning to the dark side, there was no one exact moment I think. It was a process. I think the final decision was made after he sat down and said "what have I done?" He had made a corner that would be very difficult to turn back from at that point. His need and greed for power consumed him, as well as his need to "save" Padme. Decieved he was.

RedFiveonit

date Posted: Aug 01, 2006 9:24 AM

Not to be a complainer and this is a little off subject, but is anyone as disappointed as I am at how fast the 3 jedi were cut down by Palp? It looks like while palp is engaged with one jedi the other two are just standing there waiting to get sabered. I don't think we need a 30 minute fight scene for this but give them each a minute or two of defending themselves.

Chris2OneBee
The Comatose Blog of Chris2OneBee

date Posted: Aug 01, 2006 10:27 AM

Anakin knew Palpatine was evil--he knew exactly what he was doing. You can see it from his face, after he agrees to do what Sidious wants. It's revulsion on his face at having to do this to save Padme. He also probably thinks Sidious should be killed--but only after he learns all he can from the old coot, primarily how to save his wife. I don't think Anakin is so much duped into believing the Jedi are traitors. Rather, he dupes himself because to believe otherwise is to admit his own evil and his own role in the evils he carries out.

	Lord_Maul36
date Posted: Aug 01, 2006 12:32 PM You may be right about the end of Anakin's fall. However, Anakin gave into the darkside in AOTC when he killed the sandpeople. "Forever will it dominate your destiny!" There was never any chance of him turning back, he was doomed to fail once he made the desicion to give into his anger and slaughter the sandpeople

Lord Nightstalker

date Posted: Aug 01, 2006 1:06 PM

About the novelization;
I too really, really wanted some classic Vader dialouge in the movie as he cut a swath through the bunker. "Apology accepted, Captain Needa"...I mean come ON! If we're gonna' get evil, then by God let's do it right!
And think about it; Vader had every right to be totally angry at the Seperatist Council, especially Gunray( whom he saved for last ). At that point, the only tears Vader is shedding are the result of sweating bullets over how he is going to balance being a loving husband and father while serving Palpatine just long enough for that perfect chance to kill him and take over.

Lord Nightstalker

date Posted: Aug 01, 2006 1:07 PM

About the novelization;
I too really, really wanted some classic Vader dialouge in the movie as he cut a swath through the bunker. "Apology accepted, Captain Needa"...I mean come ON! If we're gonna' get evil, then by God let's do it right!
And think about it; Vader had every right to be totally angry at the Seperatist Council, especially Gunray( whom he saved for last ). At that point, the only tears Vader is shedding are the result of sweating bullets over how he is going to balance being a loving husband and father while serving Palpatine just long enough for that perfect chance to kill him and take over.

Lord Nightstalker

date Posted: Aug 01, 2006 1:08 PM

Lord Nightstalker

date Posted: Aug 01, 2006 1:17 PM

Also,with Sith Lord / Family Man in mind...
There's one scenario I can totally imagine happening over and over again had Padme not died, and had decided to follow Anakin / Vader under dillusional pretenses following Vader's defeat of Obi-Wan at the Galactic Smelting Plant:

"Anakin, what's with the sunglasses"?
"Anakin, why won't you look me in the eye anymore"?
"Anakin, are you on Glitterstim"?!?
"Anakin, you've been acting wierd since Mustafar. I've made you an appointment at Em Pal Su Recon in the morning for some tests and if you value our marriage, you WILL be there"!

Anakin / Vader: "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

	Lord Nightstalker
date Posted: Aug 01, 2006 1:39 PM Sorry about the multiple posts, folks. I didn't read the super, super fine red print at the top of the page when I posted it the first time. My bad.

Hoppy Har Ghost
The Cormyrean Jedi's Holojournal

date Posted: Aug 01, 2006 1:46 PM

Anakin/Vader saw what he wanted to see, he decided to believe that the Jedi went to assassinate Palps.
HOLY CHEESE NIGHTSTALKER!!Think you have enough posts yet?
About the Sand People thing, from my POV, that was just said to keep the Jedi from experimenting the Dark Side for themselves, because one who never plays with fires can't get burned

About Kit, at least in the book hes a good fighter (at least somewhat) Anakin arrives in time to see him die (comment about a green lightsaber extinguishing)
Anybody else confused? Mace/others leave in the morning. Anakin gets there later. Inconsistency or did he floor it half way across the planet? (thought you can see 500 Republica from the Temple [based off of Triple Zero] but im not sure)

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