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Just a simple mom trying to make my way in the (expanded) universe
date posted: Nov 13, 2006 7:20 PM  |  updated: Dec 02, 2006 5:21 PM
The Secret to Keeping Secrets
Secrets can be slippery, tricky, sometimes downright nasty things.

My daughter has an American Girl activity book that includes a 'getting to know your mom' interview. So the other day I let her put me on the hot seat and ask me a bunch of girlie stuff about the things I did when I was her age. One of the questions asked who my best friend was growing up, and my daughter realized she didn't know the answer to that one. I explained to her that my childhood best friend and I had a falling out when we were in college, and I hadn't seen her since then.

The grown-up version goes something like this: best friend meets bad boy. Bad boy cheats on best friend (repeatedly). Dumb boyfriend gets caught in lie by me; dumb me tells best friend bad boy is a dog.

Final score: bad boy, 1. Friendship, 0.

I know - emphasis on dumb me; maybe if I had sat on the incriminating evidence that revealed boyfriend to be the dog we all knew he was, we'd still be friends today.

But we're all faced with these decisions in our relationships at one point or another: to tell what you know, thereby cleansing one's conscience, or keep your secrets, and, presumably, your friendship, safe?

Now, our buddies in the GFFA had some doosies to grapple with:

1. Padme/Anakin & Obi-Wan and the Bun in the Amidala Oven: We all know Anakin was too proud to tell Obi-Wan about his dilemma; Padme seems to want to confide in him, but, as always, defers to hubby's questionable decision. Some part of me thinks that on some level, maybe Obi-Wan didn't want to know (how does someone so Force-sensitive not sense another life, anyway? I don't buy it, personally).

2. Ben/Obi-Wan & Luke and the Daddy Dilemma: We all have our own point of view on Ben's 'truth, from a certain point of view'. (Although, I have to think we were better off that Luke didn't know the truth about dear old Dad - it would have robbed us of The Scene in ESB, and robbed him of his own personal growth.)


So, given these examples, the question remains: when to tell, and when to stay mum?

Here's the formula I've come up with:

If the information you're sitting on is something you would want to know if you were in the other person's shoes, TELL 'EM. You may not like the consequences; they might not either. But in the long run, you'll be able to respect yourself more. (Plus, if you don't have enough trust in the friendship to lay the truth on the line, chances are it would have deteriorated anyway, given the added burden of the truth, plus your guilt. And, I'm a firm believer that the truth comes out sooner or later . . . )

If it's something you can say you'd rather not know . . . KEEP IT TO YOURSELF.

Padme, despite her predisposition to follow Anakin's misguided instincts, knew what should be done. If she werein Obi's shoes, she would have wanted to know - simply so she could have helped to diffuse a bad situation for two people she cared about.

Now Luke? That's a toughie. Young Luke would have expected - no, demanded - the truth. An older, wiser Luke might have considered keeping such heavy info to himself - especially if he though that divulging said information might happen at a time when the individual was vulnerable to temptation from the dark side (those of you who are into the EU might recall a rather large omission of the mention of Baron Fel and the Chiss contingent Thrawn left behind, and Mara & Luke stumbled across? Guess he didn't think the New Republic was ready to deal with that one . . .)

So people, what of it? To tell, or not to tell? Let me know . . . or keep it to yourself, whatever . . .

Jedi Master Mina
Jedi blogging, go back to your drinks!
date Posted: Nov 13, 2006 7:35 PM
Lies lead to hate; hate leads to fear; fear leads to killing friendships over a stupid boy!! It is always best to tell the truth, in any situation.

I think the best line that can describe telling the truth comes from a movie called "A Few Good Men", where Jack N. states to Tom C in the court room...

Tom: I want the truth
Jack: You can't handle the truth

And aint that the truth...;)
  darth maul517
Darth Jedi Maul Secura
date Posted: Nov 13, 2006 7:37 PM
Wow amazing blog. As a person in school I tend to come across a lot gossip, and end up repeating it. Not smart on my part. So your guide helps.

Secrets can be dangerous. It is scary the amount of power secrets have. The effect and conquences they have can be drastic.

This is a big topic in GFFA, so thanks for bringing it up.

Yippee first comment:)
  darth maul517
Darth Jedi Maul Secura
date Posted: Nov 13, 2006 7:38 PM
Scratch that, second
anakinside1
Echoes from the Asteroid Field
date Posted: Nov 13, 2006 7:39 PM
Secrets destroyed my family, and I wish I could say I was being dramatic, but I can't:(
Two quotes come to mind:
"You're only as sick as your secrets."
and
"Lies are why bad things happen to smart people."

On the other hand I'm no fan of abslolute, brutal honesty. In yoga non-violence comes before truth in the list of ethical principles, and I think that says a lot.

BTW I think you were right to tell your friend.

Good entry!
GalacticBabe
I Have a Bad Feeling About This!
date Posted: Nov 13, 2006 7:42 PM
An older, wiser Luke might have considered keeping such heavy info to himself He actually did keep the truth from his sister for a while. Even when she asked him point-blank "What is it?" he told her to ask him again sometime, because (IMO) knowing the truth at that point in time might have been detrimental to her.

Either that, or he just didn't want to get into it in front of a whole room of people.;)

Great entry!

jediprincess77
I Know...
date Posted: Nov 13, 2006 8:10 PM
That's such a tricky question you ask...

Truth is, (pun intended!) I don't know. I feel like I should say it's always best to tell the truth, but I can think of a number of situations in which the truth would probably destroy more than it would save. I think maybe I should take the advice of my dear friend Paul Simon:

"No, you don't have to lie to me. Just give me some tenderness beneath your honesty."

:D
MissPadme
Miss Padme's Naboo Love Nest
date Posted: Nov 13, 2006 8:53 PM
The other side of your dilemma was that if you had known about your friend's bf and not told her anything, and she discovered that, she'd be angry at you for keeping a secret from her. Personally, I think there are times when you should stay out of these sort of things and there are times--i.e. you know a cheating boyfriend is picking up prostitutes, putting your friend's health at potential risk--when you do have to say something. It's a no-win situation either way because either the friend is going to shoot the messenger or she's going to be upset you kept a secret from her.
viagoangel2
Were Anakin and Padme' really one?
date Posted: Nov 14, 2006 6:05 AM
Well, Hello there! Nice entry, most impressive.

Secrets can be slippery, tricky, sometimes downright nasty things.
Anakin and Padme' didn't choose love, they chose a secret. With that secret Anakin chose their FATE. Was it worth it? His secret was to know that Padme' was indeed his. Anakin's fate was to *never* truly possess his secret; PADME'. Instead he destroyed all they ever lived for; love....... In closing, Secrets can Kill.[/i That is where That is where it all went wrong, to dive in completely one must accept and welcome all consequences for their actions.

:8} Thanks for adding me to your blog roll, I'm humbled. ~Angel~
viagoangel2
Were Anakin and Padme' really one?
date Posted: Nov 14, 2006 6:08 AM
:8} Curse these font controls!! :8} ahem...that should read " Secrets can Kill. That is where it all went wrong, to dive in completely, one must accept and welcome all consequences for their actions. " Ok, now some dignity is restored...:8}
padmeskywalker77
Padme's Legacy
date Posted: Nov 14, 2006 7:59 AM
Secrets...slippery little things they can be. Would I want to know the truth behind everything? To me, that depends on what the secret is. Secrets can destroy, whether or not they are told. If it is something that could harm me in the long run, I would like to know...otherwise it does not matter. If I know something about someone that I personally would want to know, then I more than likely would tell him/her. Every situation needs to be evaluated as they occur, IMO, so it is difficult to say what I would want to know in every situation. I hope I made some sense (been up all night working).

*I just noticed that you added me to your blog roll...I am truly honored* :)
hansgirl3
Invoking the Squee
date Posted: Nov 14, 2006 8:14 AM
Secrets destroy. They destroy the secret-keeper, the person they are being kept from and the person or people that they involove.

As far as Anakin and Padme, if they hadn't been so secretive, things might not have strayed so far down the dark path. If they had been honest (both with one another and with everyone else), there may have been an understand about the situation that they hadn't even considered.

As far as your friend, I think you did the right thing. :) I would have wanted to know.

Excellent entry! :D
jedilily1026
Years Matter Not (Gone Crazy...Be Back Soon)
date Posted: Nov 14, 2006 8:44 AM
Secrets are not good. Remember in AOTC where Padme says keeping their love a secret would be living a lie. And just as Anakin sys.."it would destroy us", said and done.

We all know Anakin was too proud to tell Obi-Wan about his dilemma; Padme seems to want to confide in him, but, as always, defers to hubby's questionable decision.

I don't think pride has much to do with thist. For me it's fear of the consequences of their secret marriage and the child. Fear of Anakin (The Chosen One) being dismissed from the Jedi Order and her being dismissed as a Senator. Neither of them wanted to give up their fantastic lives for this love. Only when Ani turns to the Dark Side...does Padme say "leave this all behind".
leia19886
Someone get this big walking carpet out of my way ...
date Posted: Nov 14, 2006 12:00 PM
Secrets can kill a relationship. I hear you on this one. Been there, long story. The women whom I thaught was my friend, really wasn't.

We all know Anakin was too proud to tell Obi-Wan about his delimma; Padme seemt to want to confide in him, but as always, defers to hubby's questionalbe decision.

Padme tells Obi-Wan, would things have been different? Mabey. Swalling one's pride is a very hard thing to do.
Leia
  brooklooineghost
Just a simple mom trying to make my way in the (expanded) universe
date Posted: Nov 14, 2006 5:54 PM
Tom: I want the truth
Me: You can't hadle the truth . . . or interviews with Matt Lauer . . . or interpreting how women feel after they have babies (seeing as you're a MAN . . .)

oops, sorry Mina, got distracted! Thx to all of you who supported my decision . . . i grew up with this person and we went through so much together; it seemed to me that to start keeping things from each other would minimize what we had, if that makes sense.
  brooklooineghost
Just a simple mom trying to make my way in the (expanded) universe
date Posted: Nov 14, 2006 6:06 PM
Secrets destroyed my family

giiiirl, who are you telling?!?

It's a no-win situation either way because either the friend is going to shoot the messenger or she's going to be upset you kept a secret from her.

. . . Ah, there's the rub!!! You hit it head on. Unfortunately, many a female I have known in my life tend to shoot the messenger, because they aren't ready, willing or able to deal with the truth. I respect her choice, though I don't agree with it; I also respect mine, all these years later. (By the way: they're still together, he's still sleeping around - maybe not with prostitutes, but I'm saying, lots of partners ain't cool either.)
amidalooine
The Emotional Galaxy
date Posted: Nov 14, 2006 8:36 PM
I've got Billy Joel on the brain..."Honesty is such a lonely word. Everyone is so untrue. Honesty is hardly ever heard and mostly what I need from you."

99% of the time, honesty is necessary. It's the 1% that gets tricky.

When I was your age (at the time), brook, I would have told, too. Now? I would keep my mouth shut. The black and the white get so much grayer as we get older.

I'm so sorry about the loss of your friendship. That must have been hard.
  rivet head
WILL TYPE STAR WARS BLOG FOR FOOD!
date Posted: Nov 17, 2006 9:14 AM
Unfortunately, many a female I have known in my life tend to shoot the messenger, because they aren't ready, willing or able to deal with the truth.

Obviously this one wasn't worth your friendship, in the end. You'd grown up together, and I'm guessing you saw yourselves as "sisters", and I'd think two blood-sisters would be more willing to hear the truth from each other, so why not two 'surrogate sisters'? My best friend is like a brother to me, and if he knew something like you did, I'd want him to tell me the truth, painful as it may be. If we want to treat friends like real family, then they deserve the same benefits as real family. You're better off without her, BLG. Your daughter deserves better female role models.
  rivet head
WILL TYPE STAR WARS BLOG FOR FOOD!
date Posted: Nov 17, 2006 9:18 AM
Whoops.

I should have ended that last sentence "your daughter deserves better female role models than your ex-best friend." Don't want anybody to think I'm taking a shot at you, BLG! :8}
  brooklooineghost
Just a simple mom trying to make my way in the (expanded) universe
date Posted: Nov 17, 2006 2:11 PM
don't sweat it RH, i knew what you meant! :)

sometimes people grow up together, and sometimes they grow apart. you can probably tell enough about me to get the fact that my friend and I went on from adolescence and developed some very different attitudes about relationships.

thanks for the encouragement everyone, its good to be understood!
  Fish1941
date Posted: Jan 05, 2007 9:58 AM
(Although, I have to think we were better off that Luke didn't know the truth about dear old Dad - it would have robbed us of The Scene in ESB, and robbed him of his own personal growth.)

I don't think so. Luke learning about Vader's identity on his own proved to be a blessing in disguise.

I noticed that many have forgotten about Anakin's desire to finally tell the truth about his marriage to Padme early in ROTS. When he said this to her, Padme quickly naysayed the idea.
  Fish1941
date Posted: Jan 05, 2007 10:00 AM
Lies lead to hate; hate leads to fear; fear leads to killing friendships over a stupid boy!! It is always best to tell the truth, in any situation.

I don't agree. There is a time to tell the truth. And there is a time to lie. There are no absolute answers regarding this topic.
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