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Here's where the fun begins - timelines, continuity and that sort of thing
by: mavrick889
date posted: May 23, 2005 10:40 PM  | 
updated: May 23, 2005 11:53 PM
Padme, the White Current, and the House of Organa
As anyone who's seen Episode VI: Return of the Jedi knows, there's a scene, after the Rebel Commando team has been accepted into the Ewok tribe, between Luke and Leia where some very intriguing familial topics are discussed. Luke reveals his parentage, but more importantly (at least to this entry) he tries to talk to Leia about his mother. Emphasis on tries.

Luke
Leia...do you remember your mother? Your real mother?

Leia
Just a bit. She died when I was very young.

Luke
What do you remember?

Leia
Just...images, really. Feelings.

Luke
Tell me.

Leia [a little surprised at his insistence]
She was very beautiful. Kind but...[looks up]...sad. Why are you asking me this?

Luke
I have no memory of my mother. I never knew her.

Now, for a long time, the fan base assumed Leia was referring to Padme in that scene. Having seen Revenge of the Sith, I now believe this to be a fundamentally flawed assumption. Bear with me here.

First, one must remember that Luke has yet to reveal that he is, in fact, Leia's brother when this scene begins. Is Luke asking Leia about his own mother? Or is he simply trying to find out what it feels like to have had a mother at one time? I'm thinking, now, that's it's probably the latter.

Second, Bail Organa was married to the Queen of Alderaan, whom we, the audience, see him deliver Leia to at the end of Revenge of the Sith. Is it she that Leia is remembering? Could she have died soon after she adopted Leia, and could Bail, then, have been remarried? It seems likely. In all of the sources set between Episodes III and IV where we see either Bail Organa or Princess Leia, the Queen of Alderaan is nowhere to be seen. Not in The Paradise Snare, not in The Princess Leia Diaries (Infinities, I know, and also a source that insinuates that Leia is, in fact, remembering Padme, not the Queen of Alderaan), or most importantly the Episode IV Radio Drama. In fact, in that last source, Leia is now the Senator of Alderaan and Bail is the Viceroy of Alderaan. I know that an absense of evidence is not evidence at all, but this all seems to point to the Queen of Alderaan being dead well before Alderaan is destroyed. In fact, in Republic # 61 (written by John Ostrander and set more than a year and a half before Leia is born), Bail mentions that he and his wife's latest attempt at concieving a child "nearly killed her." Could the Queen of Alderaan be physically weak, or sickly? She seems healthy enough in the film, but who can say? This is also assuming that Leia believes Bail Organa and his wife to be her real parents (at least until Luke delivers his revelation), something that could not be assumed until the final prequel had been released. Are there any EU sources out there that contradict this, or state outright that leia knew all along that she had been adopted?

Third, in the latest film, infant Leia certainly doesn't seem to have any sort of connection with her dying mother; no shared moment at least and certainly not any more of one than her twin brother would have had.

I've just begun reading the Black Fleet Crisis. It's a trilogy of books written by Michael Kube-McDowell set some 12 years after the Battle of Endor, and one I've never read. So far, Luke seems a tad out of character, and quite a bit out of touch with humanity. When Akanah, a woman claiming Luke's mother is, in fact, named Nashira and still alive, Luke says he needs to run all of this new information by Leia because:

"If you'd said, 'No, this has to be our secret,' I would've doubted you. But there's anothe reason I have to do this. I have no memories of my mother. Leia has but a few, no more than glimpses touched by emotion."

Now, this heavily implies that Luke was talking about Padme during that conversation on Endor's moon. So far, having gotten only a bit beyond this section of the book, this hasn't at all been expanded upon. Is Luke being a bonehead? What's going on here? Had he never bothered to actually expand on what he was trying to get at when he talked to Leia all those years ago? It seems like the only likely explanation, but it's not one I like all that much. If anyone else has any ideas on this, please drop me a note. When Luke goes to Leia and Han's apartment, he asks Leia for permission to mind-scan her (or something along those lines) for information on their mother (now that he has something to go on) but she refuses (avoiding more continuity trouble, thank heavens). He then leaves to search out the White Current (of which his "mother" is a member). More as this develops.

Edit: Found it. On pg. 117 of the ROTJ novelization, it states that Leia indeed thought of Bail and his wife as her adoptive parents. It goes on to mention, though, that Leia remembers images of a woman running and hiding in a trunk. So...I think this evidence is questionable, at best (especially in light of a number of other things found in the novelization).

  bardmary
date Posted: Jul 09, 2005 11:56 AM
Yeah, also, in the script (I dunno if it's the same in the movie, I haven't seen it yet), Padme dies IN childbirth. So Leia wouldn't remember her at all. Neither of them would have known Padme at all...
  Senator Ami 16
date Posted: Sep 15, 2005 6:08 PM
Hello?!? Does "Force Connection" mean anything to you?
  mikedlt
Isn't The Force like The Matrix?
date Posted: Oct 20, 2005 8:59 PM
I'm think Leia could have learned about and seen images of her mother through Bail and his wife. I remember some deleted scenes in AOTC where Anakin is in Padme's bedroom at her parents' home and they are looking at some holographs taken at various times in Padme's life. These would explain why Leia can only remember "just...images" and also "feelings" that these images evoked in her. In addition, Padme was QUEEN of Naboo...wouldn't that be documented and accessible information? Bail seems like the kind of man who would not have lied to Leia and would have shared this information with her. This is all, of course, in addition to the fact that she does have the force and could also be using a force connection with her mother.
  anakinsloverisme
date Posted: May 26, 2006 10:33 PM
I'm with Senator Ami 16 on this one. Leia remembers her mother through the Force. Unfortunately, her stronger force sensitivity has been all but ignored by both Lucas and the EU. Sad, because of the lost potential.
  Shak Slumma
date Posted: Jun 06, 2006 11:52 PM
My personal theory:

Padme and "Nashira" could well be one and the same. Didn't Akanah specifically point out that she might have had other names? Just because we casual observers never knew about her affiliation with the White Current until now is no cause to call the Continuity Police. We have been following Anakin's exploits all this time, and we don't know what Padme did in the considerable stretches of time during which Anakin was gone in the Clone Wars. Just because Padme was a busy politician, that doesn't mean she only spent her spare time paring her nails. (continued in next post)
  Shak Slumma
date Posted: Jun 06, 2006 11:53 PM
One thing is sure: she would have needed comfort and support that her colleages could not provide. Since the home planet of the Fallanassi was within the Coruscant system, it seems reasonable that she may have been privately affiliated with them, if for no other reason than the companionship they offered. It is equally reasonable that she stayed in the village for short amounts of time when her political skill was not called upon; after all, there was probably little call for her pacifist voice during wartime Senate sessions. (continued in next post)
  Shak Slumma
date Posted: Jun 06, 2006 11:56 PM
Though this slightly conflicts with Akanah's memories of "Nashira", Luke's new friend may not have remembered events in their exact timeline- she WAS a traumatized war orphan. Further, Padme's life was threatened several times during the Clone Wars, and the Fallanassi were quite skilled at concealment. She may have somehow heard of this skill and decided to seek their protection rather than submit to her overzealous captain's solutions, which she often found frustrating. (concluded in next post- I am such a writing freak)
  Shak Slumma
date Posted: Jun 06, 2006 11:58 PM
Several sources point out that Padme had some strength in the Force, though she never openly exhibited it. Perhaps, as a follower of the White Current teachings, she exercised these skills in a limited fashion. If she didn't reveal her friends to Anakin, maybe she was unsure of how he would react to another source of power in the Galaxy. Besides, she had little enough time with him during the war, and gossip about her homegirls on Lucazec was likely a low priority topic.
Small wrinkles in this idea are acceptable, for the series came out a few years shy of the prequels. Yet, the more one considers the proposition, the more it actually makes sense.
  Shak Slumma
date Posted: Jun 06, 2006 11:59 PM
And just for the record- I think it was LAME that they killed Padme off in childbirth. Totally disrupted continuity in so many nasty ways...

There. I'm all done.
  drreilly11@aol.com
date Posted: Jul 10, 2006 8:14 AM
I agree, it was lame to kill Padme. The scene was used to symbolize the death of the republic (Padme) and the birth of the empire (DarthV.) with the twins symbolizing the new hope. Or something like that. I still think it would have been better to have Padme hanging around awhile. Especially since she could have been very active in the rebellion.
  drreilly11@aol.com
date Posted: Jul 10, 2006 8:14 AM
I agree, it was lame to kill Padme. The scene was used to symbolize the death of the republic (Padme) and the birth of the empire (DarthV.) with the twins symbolizing the new hope. Or something like that. I still think it would have been better to have Padme hanging around awhile. Especially since she could have been very active in the rebellion.
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