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 I bought a book because of an eight page essay about Star Wars.
Actually, an eight page piece theorizing that Empire Strikes Back is the film that shaped the foundation of Generation X.
I've always been fascinated by whole generation concept. There's no one reliable date that pinpoints where Generation X ends and Generation Y begins, but generally it's somewhere in the late seventies.
Generation X is grunge and coffee shops and Douglas Coupland. They eventually ended up running Google and StarWars.com and pretty much every other website you visit on a daily basis. They may not have invented irony, but they certainly raised it to an art form.
Generation Y is Paris Hilton, The Olsen twins, Lindsay Lohan and American Idol. They're the reason the rat hole known as MySpace thrives, and I'm not sure I can ever forgive them for that.
Whatever the case (feel free to disagree) I don't fit much into either pigeonhole. I was born more than a year after A New Hope was released, and I was in junior high when Nirvana's 'Nevermind' came out... I remember this stuff, (well, not 1977) but I didn't live it, not really. (Especially 1977.) High school is like a time warp - you go in, but you don't really absorb anything but the state of being in high school. NIN tickets and Kurt Kobain memorial t-shirts are just the window dressing.
But to the book: Sex, drugs, and Cocoa Puffs, by Chuck Klosterman. The subtitle is 'A low culture manifesto' and it's pretty much on the mark. What precedes 'Sulking with Lisa Loeb on the Ice Planet Hoth' is 12 pages on Saved by the Bell. This is not textbook deep thinking, although I do admire Klosterman's conclusions in both cases.
For instance:
"Studied objectively, Luke Skywalker was not very cool. But for kids who saw Empire, Luke was the Man. He was the guy we wanted to be. Retrospectively, we'd like to claim Han Solo was the single-most desirable character -- and he was, in theory. But Solo's brand of cool is something you can't understand until you're old enough to realize being an arrogant jerk is an attractive male quality. Third-graders don't want to be gritty and misunderstood; third graders want to be Mark Hamill."
Pure and simple truth, sure. Completely foreign to me? Yes. I'm sure I saw the movies as a kid, but I don't remember seeing them, at least not as clearly as my mother buying a Jabba the Hutt playset for my cousin's birthday, to my deep disgust. (Now, I loved Hot Wheels, but Jabba was just too much the anti-Barbie for me.) My first lucid encounter with the galaxy far, far away was as a deeply cynical 13-year-old the same month 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' first charted.
Which isn't to say I didn't love the movies. One does not end up logging more than a decade in this fandom otherwise. But I experienced them - and maybe still do - a bit differently than the folks who saw them as third-graders, or who saw them in the original cultural context as adults, or who first saw them all gussied up in 1997. I don't remember ever being surprised by Vader being Luke's father or Leia being his sister. These were just things I knew from growing up in a household of geeks.
If there was ever a point to this ramble, I think I lost it. But I think it boils down to the fact that nothing in this culture is one size fits all. No one fits into all the specific holes they're supposed to.
And also, Chuck Klosterman looks a bit like a blond version of my dad.
Epilogue: One day, I would like to be someone who gets paid for writing about Star Wars and Saved by the Bell and John Cusack. Although I expect the first step to that is not to start writing at 3am.
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Tiawyn TiaWyn's Star Wars Blog
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date Posted: Jun 30, 2006 2:28 AM
Hey, great writing can happen at 3 AM. But I can't believe anyone would think that Luke wasn't cool! I'm not sure what generation I am. I think I just missed the Boom. Maybe that's why I don't understand the part about Luke not being cool. Maybe I got caught in the parentheses.
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solsticedawn His men will follow him anywhere, ner vod. But only out of a sense of curiosity.
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date Posted: Jun 30, 2006 4:26 AM
By any accounting, I'm firmly a Gen Xer. I watched "A New Hope"with maybe 8 other people in a theater in Long Beach when I was 9. When my dad came to visit for my tenth birthday a month and a half later, I begged him to take to see the movie again. We waited 3 hours in line for tickets.
I missed out on the whole slacker thing, though. I became an engineer.
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solsticedawn His men will follow him anywhere, ner vod. But only out of a sense of curiosity.
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date Posted: Jun 30, 2006 4:29 AM
My dad remarried, and my brother and sisters always knew that Vader was Luke's father and Leia was his sister.
It takes some of the magic away for me. I walked out of the theater into the bright light in 1980 thinking NO WAY. VADER IS LYING. I had to wait until I was in high school to find out the truth. The movies were events. Not cineplex events; single screen theater wonders. I waited in line for hours to see ESB and ROTJ.
FWIW, I was all drooly over Luke in ANH, dubious on Luke and interested in Han for ESB and then all over Han in ROTJ.
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Darth_Alpha1 Sith Happens, but Jedi Rocks
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date Posted: Jun 30, 2006 6:20 AM
Guess I'm the first official Gen Y-er (Wire  ) to post. Neato! Oh wait, that's not cool anymore....oops.
Anyway, I guess, given that my first viewing of SW: Episode I: The Phantom Menace came on May 12th 2004 at 10:30 AM give or take a few minutes, I didn't have the joy of seeing Han, Luke, or Leia battle the evil Empire. Heck, I didn't even think Palpy was the Emperor I saw in Ep. V+VI until I saw ROTS.
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Darth_Alpha1 Sith Happens, but Jedi Rocks
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date Posted: Jun 30, 2006 6:27 AM
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Still my heroes came in different packages, a kid destined to fall to the dark side. ![]:)](http://blogs.starwars.com/share/img/emoticons/devil.gif) His mentor, trying to keep him stable as he slowly falls away.  and his secret love, doomed to be but a memory so many years later.
But since we're on the topic of swooning over SW characters, I don't care if they didn't string her up in a metal swimsuit, Padme is far hotter than Leia ever was. I mean there was really only the swimsuit for Leia to look attractive, Padme had like seven different outfits you know George requested specifically to attract those teenage boy watching in their bedrooms!
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Darth_Alpha1 Sith Happens, but Jedi Rocks
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date Posted: Jun 30, 2006 6:30 AM
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So, until Gen-Z gets their taste of the Star Wars Phenomenon, its my people's burden to carry it aloft for another decade! 2017 here we come!
BTW, Nice blog Spork!
DA1 Force be with Ya'
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JediMelindaWolf Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.
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date Posted: Jun 30, 2006 7:28 AM
First of all, some writers get their best ideas at 3 a.m. Strike while the fire's hot!
And you're absolutely right . . . everyone, truly, does not fit into one "pot". They never have. They never will. I just can't understand why people continue to try to put everyone into one pot. We are, afterall, individuals . . . not clones!
And for the record . . . as I close in on 50, Luke is still my favorite SW character. He always has been, and always will be. He is one cool and strong Jedi.
Good blog.
MTFBWY
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The Dark Moose Moose Poodoo
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date Posted: Jun 30, 2006 10:04 AM
FWIW, I was all drooly over Luke in ANH, dubious on Luke and interested in Han for ESB and then all over Han in ROTJ.
In contrast, moving through late childhood into early teens, I was all over X-Wings in ANH, AT-AT's and snow speeders in ESB, and suddenly Leia's exposed bits in ROTJ.
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DarthVicomte Vicomte's Blog Extravaganza (Now Defunct)
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date Posted: Jun 30, 2006 10:24 AM
In contrast, moving through late childhood into early teens, I was all over X-Wings in ANH, AT-AT's and snow speeders in ESB, and suddenly Leia's exposed bits in ROTJ.
Meese came later.
That's how they get us, you know. Sprinkle some Star Wars Dust on something, I'll eat it for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
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DJ Maul: Got Feet? DJ Maul's Dancin' Cantina Party
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date Posted: Jun 30, 2006 10:29 AM
nice work, I too have had my bouts with the 3AM "what the heck am I rambling about?" posts.
Generation X? Y? Z? I dont know, I could never figure all that out either.
I was 10 when ANH hit theaters, and like solsticedawn remember the agonizing WAIT between ESB and ROTJ to find out if Vader was really Luke's dad and what happened to Han.
By the time grunge hit the scene I was out of high school and working for a living and getting ready to settle down & get married. But Ive always been up on current music, although I suppose I am at a point NOW where to me, most new music just sucks anymore...but not ALL of it.
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Darth Rex0 So be it....
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date Posted: Jun 30, 2006 10:54 AM
Interesting excerpt there. I never thought of it like that, but it makes some sense to me. I too am close to your age (born a year before ANH) and also don't dig into the generation labels too much.
When you mention the "MySpace and American Idol" Generation it makes me want to gag. Maybe there is something to those labels.
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jkelly There Is No Conflict
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date Posted: Jun 30, 2006 2:20 PM
I can remember the debate the ranged in elementary school between ESB and ROTJ as to whether Vader was lying or telling the truth. I also argued fervently with my dad; he was convinced that Vader really was Luke's father -- I guess he knew more about the old stories than a seven-year-old. Or was he trying to tell me something?
"We're part of the MTV Generation. We feel neither highs nor lows."
"How is that?"
"Eh."
~~Lisa and Homer Simpson. Now, there's a show that both Xs and Ys can appreciate.
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Pabawan Fragments from the Mind's Eye
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date Posted: Jun 30, 2006 3:41 PM
I don't know who I gripe about more. The Baby Boomers for promising the change the world but making it worse, Gen X for not caring enough to do anything about it, or Gen Y for not even noticing.
ph
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Jun 30, 2006 4:36 PM
And then from the land of misfit action figures rises the Star Wars fan. Stuck somewhere in the middle, yet still an outsider, SW fan bravely faces the coming apocalypse with single minded focus (on collecting SW stuff).
Nirvana were a bunch of posers in my little adolescent circle. Yeah, we were hardcore.  Hope that doesn't offend. I've got a few years on you though.
"Solo's brand of cool is something you can't understand until you're old enough to realize being an arrogant jerk is an attractive male quality"
*That's* what it is! I have a yen for them, unfortunately. Yeah, even when I was 6.
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MissPadme Miss Padme's Naboo Love Nest
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date Posted: Jun 30, 2006 6:05 PM
To say TESB formed the foundation of Generation X (which demographically speaking I fall into) is little off. (I think TESB's reputation as opposed to the other SW films is somewhat overblown but that's a whole nuther topic.)
Luke's uncoolness as opposed to Han's "coolness" is IMO a product of media spin. Ford was a bigger star and American media loves the guy with the girl and the cool ride, and this is coming from a Han fangirl back in the day  . Now, I still love Han but in light of the entire story, I realize just how cool Luke truly is because of his character.
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stormraiderjedidragon
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date Posted: Jun 30, 2006 8:57 PM
I can't say I know (or care) which generation I'm in.
Uncle Ricky introduced me to Star Wars. I mean the videotapes before the Special Edition. To get an idea of my uncle, think of Qui-Gon slightly mixed with some Obi-Wan with a touch of bad luck with women and a good bit of coolness.
Star Wars was THE STUFF in my book for a long time. I'm obsessed, and this website has only made it "worse" The OT is still my favorite, but I'd always wanted to know more. The answers came with the PT. I never had any expectations, so I wasn't disappointed.
Look! No point and it's 11:54PM!
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MasterVestin5
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date Posted: Jun 30, 2006 9:12 PM
I couldnt agree more with you on the generation thing. I feel like a kid outa the seventies living in an age where sex, drugs, rap, and bad morals are all that stream through everyones head. Im the only nerd in town that still thinks it cool to walk around with a PVC lightsabre on your belt. Now, if you dont like hip hop, your not cool.
I also have something to say on the materialistic part of star wars. Merchandise isnt everything. Being an avid collector doesnt make you a star wars fan. YOU have to know how to quote, and i dont just mean LUKE IM YOUR FATHER.
May the Force be with us allways!
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ithekro
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date Posted: Jun 30, 2006 11:46 PM
Hmmm. I've always considered myself part of Gen X but I think I was born on the border. Simply put I was born about two days after my parents sayw"Star Wars" in September of 1977. They saw it in a drive in because my mother couldn't navigate into a theater due to myself being excess baggage. I feel the experiance marked me since I when music plays from Star Wars, I can feel it more than hear it in my skull.
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ithekro
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date Posted: Jun 30, 2006 11:46 PM
I was always more for Luke than Han, but then when you are five you want to be the hero, not the "criminal with a heart of gold". I didn't see Empire Strikes Back in theaters until they rereleased it again around the time Return of the Jedi came out, but I'd seen it already. And the "is he Luke's father?" question was big, as was the "how do they rescue Han?" question. A girl named Michelle and I use to play as Luke and Leia until maybe 1985 at school even. I wonder what happened to her? Last I heard she moved to Washington from California.
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NerfHerdersAnonymous Life, the Star Wars Universe and Everything
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date Posted: Jul 02, 2006 1:02 AM
It's a funny and somewhat insightful chapter in that book.
I like that he calls Luke Skywalker the original Gen-Xer and that he equates, fairly, Reality Bites with ESB and Winona Rider with Luke...she is Luke.
FWIW, I was all drooly over Luke in ANH, dubious on Luke and interested in Han for ESB and then all over Han in ROTJ.
Yep, Indiana Jones too.
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Jedi Man6
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date Posted: Jul 03, 2006 8:55 AM
God, I feel real envy from all you guys (and girls!) who got the chance to see ANH, ESB and ROTJ in the theater, back in the late 70īs and 80īs.....
I was born in 1980, so I didnt get to see them in the theater, and I dont actually remember when I first saw them, I dont even remember if I saw them in order...I just wish I had the chance to see Vader tell Luke HE is his father, and then wait 3 years to see if its actually true...
amazing how I still love the entire saga, regardless of this...Just cant imagine how I would have felt if I had the chance to see it "properly"....
you should feel lucky, indeed!!!
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comanderbly That's Impossible. Even for a Computer.
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date Posted: Jul 03, 2006 11:16 AM
As a Gen Xr, who grew up in the CT suburbs I wanted to be more of a bad boy, like Han, at first. I disgree that Gen Xs were too young to appreciate Han. Being bullied around made me appreciate the power the "bad boy" has. Kids recognized Han's loud and confrontational manner as something desireable, even if they didn't like him best.
It was not until ROTJ that I started to attach to Luke, flipping around blocking blaster bolts with a light saber drew me in.
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See Threepijon
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date Posted: Jul 03, 2006 11:24 AM
rat hole.....MySpace....It's so true. It's nice to find another MySpace hater out there (Lol!).
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Darthvegeta800000
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date Posted: Jul 03, 2006 2:06 PM
Lol from 5 yrs old (give or take a year) i always though Vader was coolest and still do.
Lol i never managed to identify with Luke.
I did love the ewoks though... but luckily i grew out of that fascination 
(is why when i was a child i loved Return of the Jedi. Much Vader (cool guy), much robots (AT-ATs and AT-ST's but those were pretty much robots to me) and Ewoks (fuzzy cute creatures with tiny baby ewoks that are even cuter and fuzzier)).
Than i grew older, fell to the Darkside and loved every minute of ESB above all else (;
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pb_charlie
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date Posted: Jul 04, 2006 4:31 AM
Great conneciton citing "Sex, drugs, and Cocoa Puffs" by Chuck Klosterman. One of the only books I rated on my myspace (not a bad site, podnuhs). Take a few minutes to read a chapter or two out of it. The guy's got some great ideas...some seem to be associated with someone with nothing better to do but to ridicule pop culture (which creates some pretty thick irony considering the source), but if a RS writer can make dough of it, good on him. Besides the SW references, note the between chapter reference to statistics...a hilarious take on something pretty simple. I love telling people that everything is 50/50 (either something will happen, or it won't).
Bring this discussion back to this book...it's worth it.
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pb_charlie
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date Posted: Jul 04, 2006 4:39 AM
Oh, and the chapter on following the Guns N' Roses tribute band around is priceless. Seriously, great find for a book. This is the only blog I've ever responded to, and now I've done it twice. Trust in the fact that it's worth it.
Sincerely,
Chuck Klosterman...I mean, pb_charlie
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GuygonJin85
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date Posted: Jul 04, 2006 8:14 AM
As far as i know a generation is once every 20 years however like u said it is hard to say where one ends and another one begins.
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See Threepijon
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date Posted: Jul 04, 2006 11:45 AM
How can you say that MySpace isn't a bad site, pb_charlie? It's a crime against humanity. Note that I do not say that using it is a crime, the aberration itself is a crime against humanity...
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pb_charlie
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date Posted: Jul 04, 2006 12:06 PM
I just give it credit, b/c it put me in touch with people I hadn't seen or heard from in over 10 years...if used for keeping in touch with buddies it can be great. I can see people's issue with it though. I normally hate stuff like that. That being said, I think I will punch the next idiot that I see wearing a "You Looked Better on MySpace" t-shirt that they got off ebay...you want to talk about crimes...
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RyanKaufman Look, sir! Zombies!
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date Posted: Jul 05, 2006 10:41 AM
13 years old when Smells Like Teen Spirit charted? Jeez, I was rolling my own cigarettes in my dorm room when I heard that song... I feel old.
But you've inspired me, Sporky, to blog on irony and Star Wars. It will have to gestate for a bit, but you've definitely knocked an idea loose in my head. Thanks!
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