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Thoughts of a Dark Lord
date posted: Aug 13, 2005 9:54 PM  |  updated: Aug 15, 2005 6:26 PM
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Hey, welcome back. Glad to see that some of you still deign to come back every now and then. As I promised last night I am here to speak about the Force, and what exactly it is to the Star Wars saga.

I have mentioned the idea of this topic many times throughout my blog entries (most notably in my latest two-part series right here: Part One, Part Two), but I have never truly laid out my complete ideas--and proof--for it, as I have with all of my other ideas. After completing that two-part series a very good friend of mine (Darth Jeks), told me that I had to write an entry detailing my thoughts on the Force, for he wished to hear it fully. So, here I am, at the behest both him, and others who had sent me several emails requesting the topic as well.

Without further ado, I suppose we should begin. For the handful of you who read my blogs (I jest, for it has come to my attention that I have garnered quite a few frequent readers in my time), my feelings on the Force are fairly clear. I have always believed that the Force was--I suppose is could work--a symbol for the Divine presence, or power, within the Star Wars galaxy. There are many reasons I have felt this way, but my simplest answer, and proof, comes from the teachings of Yoda and Ben in the Original Trilogy. Notice the way they speak of the Force during those films, they way they revere it, and speak of it with awe. Even in the way Han refers to it in ANH, "I haven't seen anything to make me believe there's some all powerful Force controlling everything." (So sorry if I didn't get it completely correct, it's been a while since I have seen that one).

This is how it's perceived, as being this all-powerful Force, because that's what it is. "It surrounds us, binds us..." as Yoda says to Luke on Dagobah, when trying to explain what the Force is. It is that divine presence, which gives the Jedi their gifts, their abilities, it is something to be revered, as Yoda has done. The manner in which he speaks of the Force in the OT is vastly different than how he speaks of it in the PT. He has learned from his mistakes.

For in the Prequels, Yoda, as did most of the Jedi, seemed to think of the Force in terms of science. It wasn't mystical anymore, it was something that they could dissect, something that they began to believe that they could control (I won't go into this too much more for I have in several blog entries: ...In Your Blood Stream. Then in a different two-part series here: Part One, Part Two). However, it is important to note that it was this attitude of the Force that caused them to be thrown over. It was their own hubris, and notions that they could control the Force, that caused their downfall. Think of it in Biblical terms (which with the Force being our divine presence, is an apt enough allusion to make here). When the people grew to the point when they forgot their God, or began to believe that he was no longer needed, that they had surpassed their need for him, God grew angry. He cast down several nations, destroying them in their arrogance, leaving only a handful left alive, those who could learn from their mistakes and teach others the proper way.

In the movies this is essentially what happened to the Jedi. They were struck down, humbled by the Force because of their arrogance (In the first two-part series, I go into how, and why, and the imbalance of the Force to explain this thought. So, I will not go into the explanation of this thought too much). Now, I received an interesting comment regarding this line of thought, in that the creator should be happy that His creations are surpassing him, much in the way a parent wishes their children to become more successful than they. This is true, but that is not the point I am making. What I am saying is that the Jedi have come to think that the Force is their tool, not their gift. They have come to a point where they no longer recognize the Force for what it is, or what it did for them, or gave to them originally. This isn't succeeding beyond the creator's expectations, this is the arrogant belief that they did everything they did without the creator's help. They don't acknowledge how they got there in the first place.

This belief, however, is not shared by all of the Jedi. One that comes to mind is Master Qui-Gon Jinn. He always spoke of the living Force, always seemed to revere it and follow it's will. Qui-Gon was a servant to the Force, as he was supposed to be, and that's one of the reasons I feel that he was able to learn how to become one with the Force, and learn the secret to immortality, and then pass on that knowledge to Yoda and Obi-Wan. Even though he too spoke of the midichlorians, notice the way he explains them to young Anakin Skywalker. How he explains that they are everywhere, always present. While the other Jedi speak of it as a science, he still seems to hold a certain mysticism about them, still holds a reverence for them.

I suppose another idea that I can use as further proof, is that the Jedi became essentially monks. In the OT, and the EU that followed, the Jedi once again became servants to the will of the Force, allowing it to guide them. They meditated on the Force, as a monk would spend his time in prayers, and the Jedi used their talents to help others who could not help themselves. Monks do the same; they assist those who are in need of it, to the point to where said people no longer require the assistance. Then there are some monks who practice and develop martial arts, as another way to spiritual guidance, much like the Jedi developed their fighting techniques, and mental abilities. The similarities are so much that it is hard not to look at it as an intentional allusion.

This is how I feel the Force was presented in the movies, and really how they were intended. It is the Divine power within the Star Wars universe, that surrounds everything, gives the Jedi their power, and the Jedi did not recognize it as such until it was too late. But they did learn from their ways, and taught Luke proper reverence for the Force, they taught him about the living Force, as Qui-Gon did. They finally learned to have faith in the Force itself, as illustrated by Obi-Wan when he made Luke where the helmet on the Falcon, so that he couldn't see the remote. He taught Luke that he had to have faith in the Force, that it would guide him properly.

I suppose that's quite enough of my babbling, but I do hope you enjoyed today's entry, as well as I hope this will help explain some of my other ideas in those entries that I linked to above. Try and keep in mind that all I am doing is providing an educated guess based on the studies I have done. By no means I am saying that my ideas are absolutely correct, or that everyone else's' ideas and explanations are wrong.

As always I am open to comments, and welcome them heartily, so if you had any thought at all while reading this I would love to hear from you. Any suggestions, questions, or ideas for me you may have, are also greatly welcomed. For those of you who enjoy my entries, and look forward to them every night, I have a bit of bad news. Tomorrow I will be gone to be a judge on a black belt test for 3 of my former students (I am incredibly proud of them!), so I will not be able to write my daily entry. I will however be back on top of things Monday, so have no fear. Then I will be discussing another topic that I have been avoiding: Mace Windu. Hope you guys will come back when I do.

--DLZ


  Darth Jeks
Shadow of a Hidden Thought
date Posted: Aug 13, 2005 10:08 PM
Fantastic entry, Zor! I was getting a little afraid when I hadn't heard from you tonight, but this is brilliantly done! Very well put together, and you can tell you have a strong belief in what you are talking about. Combined with your other entries over the balance of the force and the prophecy, you have given me a new way to watch the entire saga, and for that I cannot thank you enough! To every Star Wars fan worth their salt, your blog should be far more than a might read- it should, without a doubt, be a must read!
  Krispy_Kreme_Regime
date Posted: Aug 13, 2005 10:24 PM
Completely excellent especially who you compared it in biblical terms; I know lots of people have described like this before, but you bring true meaning to it. Your views on the force and its being GL needs and I say again needs to put u on his staff for all future Star Wars projects..You are a genius on Star Wars and there is no other way to put it. You have to be one of its greatest fans {cont}
  Krispy_Kreme_Regime
date Posted: Aug 13, 2005 10:26 PM
because yu obviously have to love the series to go indepth on the things you talk about...Once again geat blog, and may the Living Force be with you and you with it..

-----Krispy Kreme Regime The New Sith Order---Fear the donut
  Master Yodaia
date Posted: Aug 13, 2005 10:28 PM
Great entry. Your blogs are awesome put an entirely new light on star wars that i hadn't even thought of. From Palpatine to The Force, you really know your stuff. I enjoy reading your blogs everyday and cannot wait for the next one.
Darth_Hiram
A Journey into The Force
date Posted: Aug 14, 2005 11:11 PM
I must agree. While I'm new to posting on blogs, I have been reading your thoughts, and thinking on them, and your insight is unmatched thus far.
I think that Yoda is one Jedi Master who always knew the power of the Force, and how he was a proponent of the Force, but allowed the politics of the Jedi Council to blind him temporarily. He came full circle in his battle with Darth Sidious, and realized he must retreat and become one again with the Force. Only in that instance did he realize they had been travelling through the clouded times created by Sidious' Dark influence and must rebuild what was once a proud Jedi nation. He realized that they are all truly servants of the Force, and must adhere to it's will.
Good blog.
  jainasolo4442
Expanded Universe Fun
date Posted: Aug 27, 2005 2:56 PM
Great thoughts. I really enjoyed how you mirrored the Force to Biblical things. That is a great interpretation of it. I dont know if you read the NJO or the first of the Dark Nest Trilogy, but if you did what did you think of the new view of the Force? Well as always, Great Blog! Cant wait for another
  Ki-Adi-Andy
A Tremor In The Force....
date Posted: Sep 04, 2005 1:14 PM
Zor, I agree with everything you typed, especially about Qui-Gon. Believing in the living force, and how he discovered immortality. Also about how the Jedi took the force for granted, and looked at it as a science. Exelent Read.
  ThrawnRocks1
date Posted: Sep 14, 2005 12:51 PM
Now, I received an interesting comment regarding this thought, in that the creator would be happy that His creations are surpassing him, much in the way a parent wishes their children to become more successful than they. This is true, but not the point I'm making. What I'm saying is the Jedi have come to think that the Force is their tool, not their gift. They come to a point where they no longer recognize the Force for what it is, or what it did for them, or gave them originally.

Darn the word limit--
  ThrawnRocks1
date Posted: Sep 14, 2005 12:52 PM
This isn't succeeding beyond the creator's expectations, this is the arrogant belief that they did everything they did without the creator's help. They were struck down, humbled by the Force because of their arrogance.They don't acknowledge how they got there in the first place.

Sounds like where science of today is going, what with 'evolution' and all. Pity.
  Tyrantt2005
date Posted: Oct 11, 2005 4:49 AM
A great read, I firmly follow what you wrote. The Jedi began to second guess The Force's power, and second guess themselves, and that led to there downfall.
  PadawanQui-GonJoe
The History of the Jedi Knights
date Posted: Oct 28, 2005 1:39 AM
Very Good anology?:| I had tought the same why! The Living Force is a way of living, and one just needs to follow the will of the Force.

Luke, is on his way to becoming the Grand Master of the New Jedi Order! A quote "GrandMaster of the Jedi Order am I!" "Won this job in a raffle I did, Think You?" "His Job it is!" So is it with Lukes Destiny! As given to him by Master Yoda.
  x_lordrevan_x
date Posted: Nov 23, 2005 5:54 PM
Very good blog. You see many of the things I see in Star Wars (if not all or more)--the great concepts of philosophy ingeniously woven into the plot. I would like to point out a minor discrepency, but one of important distinction, in your interpretation of God's wrath on the unrighteous. I don't believe God necessarily destroyed these peoples directly; rather, God allowed the inherent corruption in their ways of life to overtake them. I don't think that is true in all cases but in some as it is obvious God directly acts in situations when people are struck dead or turned into a pillar of salt.
  x_lordrevan_x
date Posted: Nov 23, 2005 5:54 PM
Likewise, I think that the force saw a need to reform the jedi order so allowed them to be destroyed by the chosen one. It was then a ripe time to rebuild the jedi order through the seed of the chosen one, an order more tolerant and open to change, one that doesn't ask its members to deny wholesome human desires.

ThrawnRocks1: I'm not sure that you make a correct distinction in calling evolution an atheist belief or one circumventing the need of God. Some people make it so (that science and religion are in contrast with one another) but it need not be that way. Science is an objective discipline that seeks fact through experimentation (quantum mechanics is actually subjective but that is not what is being addressed).
  x_lordrevan_x
date Posted: Nov 23, 2005 5:55 PM
I will also say that no where in the Bible does it say how God created man. Nor does it say man shouldn't ponder this (honestly, a God that tells his subjects not to think?!). It is a very conceivable idea to think that God allowed and set the parameters for evolution to take place vis. Evolution could be God's way of creating. I don't favor the idea of the Catholic Doctrine Ex Nihilo (creating something from nothing). In other words, I don't favor man just appearing on earth.
  x_lordrevan_x
date Posted: Nov 23, 2005 5:56 PM
I for one am more comfortable with the idea of a God clever enough to orchestrate creation rather than "willing it so." Some people may call me heretic but I never denied God's hand in it. And I know that there are many who share my opinion. The true heresy is to reject the pursuit of truth. I'm not saying evolution is the truth but I am saying it could be. One shouldn't reject an idea without convincing evidence to do such.
  Darth Larder
date Posted: Sep 25, 2006 2:38 PM
Well said. I agree.
I am a pastor who loves SW, and I have oft seen the parallels between the films and the Bible.
I have used SW clips in Bible studies numerous times. I belive that there actually are parallels with SW and the Bible. I think that you are right on here DZ. Or maybe I am just a little biased. Or maybe it is just one more way that we can notice God's presence in our everyday lives?
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