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A Journey into The Force
date posted: Aug 24, 2007 9:51 PM  |  updated: Jul 14, 2008 7:58 PM
And they say lightning never strikes twice
I was thinking about how Vader succumbed so easily to Palpatine's Force lightning, and was going to form a question to you all about that ... but I got thinking about another line of thought from that thought. I'll get to that question later, but I wanted to articulate my sub-thought first.

And that is how truly connected we can become to any one person. In my life, my wife is the most special and important person to me that I would do anything in the world for. We share a love and a bond so close that it goes beyond any words that I can put to screen or paper ... it's feelings that run deep for each other and always will.

And we see that kind of love and relationships in Star Wars as well. Han and Leia found love for each other, Luke and Mara (in the EU) found love and devotion for each other. Heck, I'm sure Threepio and Artoo had a bond that became inseparable (they kind of remind me of my bickering grandparents ... always at each other but in love as well!)

But we also have the bond of Master and Apprentice. An unspoken loyalty and devotion that one will always be there for the other and act as partners throughout the growing phase of an apprentice. It worked in the Jedi Order as such and resulted in many close bonds being formed. The masters would become close with apprentice, teaching them as if they were sons or daughters of their own flesh, instructing them to be loyal and honourable Jedi. This, of course, helped to nurture a trusting relationship with each other and with the Jedi Order and the galaxy.

But what of the Sith? In the Rule of Two, there is always a Master and an Apprentice. Only two. And in my thinking, how could these two not become close and form a bond with each other? Sure, Sidious seemed as little distant from Darth Maul (we didn't see much of them together) and he seemed to view Dooku as just a means to an end. But with Anakin, or Darth Vader, he was always the trusting friend and mentor. Before Anakin became Vader he trusted and listened to Palpatine ... thus nurturing the bond between the two. And after he became Vader he must have formed some kind of respect for his master that permeated into a deeper bond that held the two together in galactic rule. Yes, Palpatine was the one who held the strings and dictated the goings-on of the galaxy but it was Vader who executed his will ... who understood his master and dutifully performed his role. Who is to say they didn't have a deep bond that connected them as master and apprentice that was first realized as son and father figure and teacher and student? The Force held them together as a unit that was unstoppable for a time and connected them in a way that many in the galaxy would not understand.

Which brings me to my original question. Why did Sidious's Force lightning affect Vader so rapidly and effectively? Did not Luke lie there on the ground absorbing the lightning while calling for help from his father? Did not Yoda absorb the lightning in his body, as well as deflect it with his hands back to Sidious? Did not Mace withstand it with his lightsaber to disfigure Palpatine into what he would become?

And my own answer is that perhaps the bond that the two shared for so many years had affected Vader deeply in that he was rising up to destroy the man who had mentored him and taught him these powers of the Darkside. Their bond was so close that the act he was performing of stopping his master would destroy him mentally and physically. It literally drained him and caused him to succumb to the lightning that was trained now on him and not his son. Yes, he redeemed himself and found the Anakin still living within that would save his son from destruction, but the wound he opened by severing his ties and connection to his master would prove to be too much. It literally killed him.

And as it is in many of our lives. Our bonds are so close with our family and friends that it would feel like Force lightning striking us if those bonds were severed by either our own will or outside circumstances.

In Anakin's case he did it for the good of his son which redeemed him, which became Palptine's failure, at the expense of Darth Vader.

  zach starwalker
date Posted: Aug 24, 2007 10:02 PM
there are things that literally bind one being to another via the force. they normally happen when people are very close and force sensitive. if the force bond is strong enough and one of the two dies the other will die as well. but also i beleive that darth vader was a who different being mentally but the real reason is supposebly the lightning short circuited his suit. he therefore cant survive without it. but im sure there was some sith magic holding vader together too.
Michelle1968
M68- Star Wars Kid at Heart
date Posted: Aug 24, 2007 10:57 PM
sigh

I'm honored to be on your blog roll.


lovin your blogs.....
  ketal13
HanAnWan
date Posted: Aug 24, 2007 11:41 PM
We share a love and a bond so close that it goes beyond any words that I can put to screen or paper ...
~sigh~Mrs. Darth Hiram is a lucky woman. If your wife hasn't read this yet, she must.

It literally killed him.
I have seen this a few times in my life, where a life-time bond has been severed and no matter what else there is to live for, the person left behind cannot recover from the loss.

I have always been disappointed that Vadar threw in the towel so quickly, but perhaps there was much more involved in his decision to give up that happened before he even picked up the Emperor.

Great blog, as always Darth Hiram.
ral_kleest
The Jedi Way: Preserving the Light
date Posted: Aug 25, 2007 7:51 AM
The relationship between Sidious and Vader is largely unknown outside of the EU. We know that Palpatine seems concerned about Vader in Ep. 3 and decides to rush to Mustafar. Is it relief in his voice when he finds a dismembered Anakin alive?

The Rule of Two as I understand it (albeit fleshed out from the EU) was a means of bring order to a Sith tradition that left unchecked would be self-destructive. One would have power, while one would seek it, thus perpetuating a tension that brought a sense of stability.

We can only take Vader's words to Luke at Bespin, and Padme at Mustafar, at face value. If true, he planned to overthrow his Sith master from the beginning.

cont.
ral_kleest
The Jedi Way: Preserving the Light
date Posted: Aug 25, 2007 7:56 AM
So, what was the connection between Vader and Sidious by ROTJ? Before your blog I have to say I had not really considered that there would be an affinity between them. But maybe so.

If so, I think it would have been fostered in those early, "I need your help, son" days back when Anakin was still a Jedi. In that light, the words to Luke, "I must obey my master," and even the "The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" statement have a new richness to me.

Sorry to take up two comments, but this one really got me thinking.

DH, a most excellent blog.
Darth_Hiram
A Journey into The Force
date Posted: Aug 25, 2007 8:12 AM
the lightning short circuited his suit
I also had thought of that, Zach ... the suit was overwhelmed by the power it was absorbing. what created Vader also destroyed him.

I'm honored to be on your blog roll.
Thanks Michelle! And I'm honoured for your stopping by to check out my little Star Warsy thoughts!

~sigh~Mrs. Darth Hiram is a lucky woman. If your wife hasn't read this yet, she must.
Thanks Ketal! I'll be sure to tell her! And I also have seen bonds severed that literally the other person cannot recover from.
Darth_Hiram
A Journey into The Force
date Posted: Aug 25, 2007 8:18 AM
One would have power, while one would seek it, thus perpetuating a tension that brought a sense of stability.
Exactly, ral ... Bane discovered that this was the only way to keep the Sith alive. It's hard to say how close each two become as years went on, but you're right when you mention Sidious's relief when he finds Vader and genuinely seems concerned. Perhaps it was also his way of knowing he would now be able to keep Vader in check. Thanks for the comments, and no problem with two comments!
rappingrancor
Rappingrancor's Pit -- And No, I Don't Mean My Room!
date Posted: Aug 25, 2007 8:51 AM
It literally killed him.
I have seen this a few times in my life, where a life-time bond has been severed and no matter what else there is to live for, the person left behind cannot recover from the loss.


This happened to my grandma. She was in a nursing home and in horrible health before my grandpa died, but when he did pass away, she just curled up in a ball in bed and died. If what you said is true, Darth Hiram, then maybe Vader was lucky to have died within a few minutes of his former master's death. My grandma went for three years without any respite from the pain and sorrow she was evidently still facing.

Wherever the Force may guide you, be it through pain or joy, sorrow or love, God will bless you.

RR out.
jkthunder
Seven Pieces
date Posted: Aug 25, 2007 9:52 PM
Attachment, respect, intent, and love are the words that come to mind that describe the subtle (and not) differences between all the different bonds above. Anakin submitted to Sidious with the intent to save Padme, because of his attachments to her - attachments for his own purposes. I'm not saying any of us wouldn't do absolutely anything to save our loved ones if given the chance... but the overall mythical theme of the story has to do with letting go, and where our intentions are seated. The Jedi form a bond of respect and trust, but not necessarily the same "needs" of a romantic marriage bond. All the bonds are dramatically different for various reasons IMO :)
Darth_Hiram
A Journey into The Force
date Posted: Aug 25, 2007 9:54 PM
I'm sorry to hear about your grandparents, rr. I do believe losing that significant other does have a major impact ... but it's the wonderful memories that are gathered along the way that stand the test of time. Thanks for commenting and sharing your thoughts.
Darth_Hiram
A Journey into The Force
date Posted: Aug 25, 2007 10:03 PM
but the overall mythical theme of the story has to do with letting go, and where our intentions are seated
I agree, jkthunder. But my point was that Anakin and Sidious did develop a bond that held them together, and by breaking that bond, Anakin re-emerged but at his own peril. His sub-conscious killed what the conscious was doing.
jkthunder
Seven Pieces
date Posted: Aug 25, 2007 10:05 PM
The question! I think Vader simply absorbed the hit - moreso than any of the other instances. Not only is he semi vulnerable because of the suit, but he was directly absorbing the massive energy for Luke. Vader finally let go of himself in a sense to me. Luke didn't seem to take nearly as much, and as direct of a jolt. Mace used a saber to deflect, and Yoda used a Force-ball or whatever :p

It's all a matter of our perspective. As obedient as Vader seemed to the Emperor, I always thought it was a trance or he was just holding back his true self (obviously!). I could never bring myself to believe the bond between Vader and Sid was anything good, but rather fully self-serving for both.
Darth_Hiram
A Journey into The Force
date Posted: Aug 25, 2007 10:14 PM
but rather fully self-serving for both.
Right, that's a good point. Vader did think about overthrowing Sidious on more than one occasion ... and Sidious used Vader as his iron fist.
And I agree that he was absorbing massive amounts of energy that his suit couldn't handle. I just think that was part of the whole picture. Thanks for the comments!
Jade Sabre777
A luminous being, I am...
date Posted: Aug 26, 2007 5:44 PM
Well first off, great blog! I'm just not sure I'm convinced that Palpatine could have any kind of bond to anybody. Vader, yes. The Emperor was the only person left in Vader's life that supposedly cared for him, so Vader totally clung to him. "I must obey my master." I'm not sure that Palpatine's caring for Anakin was genuine, though. I think it was just a way to convince Anakin to join him. He had to seem to care for him and have his best interests in mind. In reality, Palpy just wanted "the most powerful Jedi ever" on his side to use as he pleased.

Jade Sabre777
A luminous being, I am...
date Posted: Aug 26, 2007 5:56 PM
Palpatine lied to and manipulated Anakin in ROTS. Basically, I'm sure Vader had a bond with the Emperor where it was like Vader couldn't live without him/separate from him, which may have had something to do with his death, but IMHO the feeling wasn't mutual. Sure, Palpy would be sad if Vader died at some point, but more of a "Darn it, I just lost a great and powerful apprentice" sad than a "Man I really miss Vader. I loved that kid" sad. Though I can't deny that the Emperor does seem concerned when he finds Vader on Mustafar - although that could be like what I said before.

Perhaps it was also his way of knowing he would now be able to keep Vader in check.
Definitely.
Jade Sabre777
A luminous being, I am...
date Posted: Aug 26, 2007 6:02 PM
which may have had something to do with his death
Oops! I typed the wrong thing before! I think it definitely had something to do with his death, although I think the main cause was, like Zach said, the lightning short circuited his suit.

what created Vader also destroyed him.\
I really like this! But are you talking about the Emperor or the suit? It really could work either way and that's cool!

Sorry for taking up all this space! :)
Darth_Hiram
A Journey into The Force
date Posted: Aug 26, 2007 8:10 PM
Thanks for the comments Jade ... and you're right, Palaptine was in it for his own end, but perhaps the bond that Vader felt as one of only 2 Sith kept him going all those years, and devastated him when he did what he had to do.
I meant that both things killed him ... the suit was overloaded, which had kept him alive for so long, and Palpatine did the same thing, he killed Vader. People associated Vader as in the dark suit, so when he went into it he was created as such. And it couldn't handle the power coming from the person who put him into it ... if that makes any sense?
Qui-Tom Servo loves Padme
You Must Unlearn What You Have Learned
date Posted: Aug 27, 2007 12:53 PM
Interesting thoughts. I think Vader's attachment to Palpatine was based on fear and desperation. He had no one else to turn to. In the end, I believe Vader died so quickly because his circuitry was overloaded. The machine that kept him alive could not absorb all the energy that flooded into it. I think that makes Vader's final decision more poignant because he knew that saving Luke would mean sacrificing his own life. Sadly in the EU, Jacen Solo has chosen to be an idiot and ignore his grandfather's history.
Darth_Hiram
A Journey into The Force
date Posted: Aug 27, 2007 7:49 PM
I think that makes Vader's final decision more poignant because he knew that saving Luke would mean sacrificing his own life
Right ... a very admirable thing for a father to do. He finally realized his place as the Chosen One and saved so much more than his son.
Thanks for the comments, Qui-Tom!
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