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date posted: Jun 11, 2005 4:16 AM  |  updated: Dec 29, 2005 8:44 AM
Is Palpy a Sith in Dark Empire? And how can he cheat death?
HoloNet News report: "Recent evidence seems to suggest that Palpatine *image of grumpy Palpy appears next to the journalist*, former Emperor of the Galaxy, was not a Sith Lord after the betrayal of his apprentice aboard the second Death Star..." ;) :^O

So, is he a Sith Lord in DE? He never seems to say so, he only states he IS the dark side. And in Empire's End, the Sith spirits don't treat him like one of their own, but as a traitor and a fool. And in DE I he calls Luke a Dark Jedi, he never states he is his Sith apprentice and gives him no Darth moniker. Darth monikers were unexplained back then, and I think it was not even clear that Palpatine was a Sith Lord, and surely nothing about the always-two-they-are-no-more-no-less Rule of Two thingy was heard of back in 1994. But could it be possible that Sid abandoned even the dogmatism of the Sith in his quest for ultimate power and full understanding of the Force? He wanted to become the very dark side, after all, he had great ambitions. So, the Sith could have been destroyed. The dark side was not, surely, and since the Force was balanced, there could be no victory of the dark side this time. So, the prophecy can be fufilled with no Continuity errors at all! :D B-)

Now... how did he preserve his spirit? ?:| The RotS script states that only through compassion can one achieve the power to cheat death the way Yoda and Obi-Wan did. In the EU we have seen Sith imprison their spirits in holocrons, amulets, their graves, etc, so that's more a torture than a gift I'd say. I wouldn't like to be imprisoned in a place like a Korriban grave for eternity, but then I'm not a Sith. Sith are pervert.

But Palpatine didn't seem to use this power. He seemed to use the same technique Obi-Wan used, and The Essential Chronology actually states he did use the same technique, the one only achieved through compassion, not greed, through destroying one's self, one's ego. Could Palpy have done that? Well, he could have used the technique... Now you're gonna tell me: "That was a Jedi technique". Palpy seems to have been taught not only the Sith ways, but also the Jedi ways, and this is more than clear after Ep. III: "My Master taught me everything about the Force... INCLUDING the dark side..." "Anakin, if one is to understand the great mystery, one must study all its aspects, not just the dogmatic, narrow view of the Jedi. If you wish to become a complete and wise leader, you must embrace a LARGER view of the Force." Now I know he was trying to convince Anakin to become his Apprentice, but still, he surely knows the ways of the Jedi, and that was clear in Dark Empire also... "Aren't I the master of all Jedi? Your father was my own apprentice..." Also, his fighting skills are borrowed from the Jedi: Ep. III comic adaptation: Mace Windu: "You are well versed in the Jedi Arts... But you are no Jedi!" DE: Palpatine: "I've played along with your Jedi dueling games long enough!".

Why couldn't he have learned this Jedi power then? After all, he seems to vanish when he dies in the comics, in a more violent way than Ben did and Yoda did, but still the same... So, he used that technique, but it proved faulty and betrayed him in the end because he lacked compassion, just as Qui-Gon said...

Originally posted here: http://boards.theforce.net/Literature/b10003/20858208/p1

  JediTemplar
date Posted: Jul 04, 2005 9:40 AM
Why even bother to make some fancy explanation about this?
You can perfectly well use the Golden Rule of StarWars continuity: "From a certain point of view..."

Since it's never stated that he ain't a Sith, then he can perfectly well be one. And on the topic of old Sith Lords, why wouldn't they be a bunch of whiners about somebody who in only about one hundred years learned what they haven't been able to do for millennias, how to get a new body...
  Master Starkeiller
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date Posted: Jul 04, 2005 12:11 PM
Well, "From a certain point of view..." is not enough. A "fancy" explanation is needed so that Continuity isn't messed up BIG TIME. It's clear that the Prophecy was fullfilled when Vader DESTROYED THE SITH. He threw Sidious down a shaft and renounced the Sith Order. In other words, he destroyed the Sith. No official explanation has been given yet on how is that possible if Palps returns as a Sith in D.E.. So I fixed it myself. He doesn't return as a Sith. That's all. An official explanation MUST be given. We're just waiting...
  DarthDodo60
date Posted: Jul 05, 2005 10:49 AM
He say's in Ep. three. "The ability to cheat death has only been achieved by on"(darth plagieous).:p
  Master Starkeiller
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date Posted: Jul 05, 2005 1:59 PM
And goes on: 'But if we work together, we can uncover the secret..." :p
  ithekro
date Posted: Jul 23, 2005 5:02 PM
Ah yes, the "Specter of the Sith" Palpatine. I would agree with this theory for the most part. Save that the trick Palpatine uses is through his rage, and therefore would be a corruption of the Jedi power, hence his need for new bodies to remain alive. He is not quite as "Sith"-like as he once was, probably because his method of cheating death is driving him mad. His theory is to use clones of himself and later the decedents of Skywalker (Anakin) to host his spirit so he will live and rule forever.
  ithekro
date Posted: Jul 23, 2005 5:04 PM
His empire cannot function without him and the dark side of the Force to guide it. He is the Empire's will. While his clone is able to put on a megalomaniacal show of force and technological superiority, he cannot maintain control over the Empire nor his body for very long, and hence requires a Skywalker to run the Empire or host his spirit. As we see, he fails and his Empire continues to degrade until it is a shadow of its former glory. The remaining worlds of the Empire stay together by choice and the ideal of an orderly society instead of the dark side dreams of the Sith. The Dark Side has failed in the end....but the New Order remains.
  Chris2OneBee
The Living and Breathing Blog of Chris2OneBee
date Posted: Aug 04, 2006 1:56 PM
One might consider, too, that Qui-Gon's perception of the technique of preserving one's identity after death was from his point of view. Compassion may have been merely one road to immortality. A Sith of Palpatine's caliber may have discovered his own road--at least one that opened a temporary gate to immortality--during his many probes into the dark side. But given how it turned out, it probably wasn't a very easy or pleasant road, and an impossible one to maintain without UUUUNLIMITEEED POWWWAAAAAAH. Which Palpatine did not have, of course.
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