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Smugglers Rants
date posted: Oct 04, 2005 2:26 PM
You Know it Makes Sense!
I guess I'm getting old...
As a recent blog mentioned, Lucasfilm aren't releasing Revenge of the Sith on VHS.
Bugger...
I have pretty much every version of every Star Wars film on VHS (even got a few on V2000, anyone remember that!) and while DVD is the shiny new format for the Sunny D generation, Star Wars lived for millions of us on video cassette.
I saw Star Wars 150 times on VHS, same for Empire and Jedi, Caravan of Courage, The Great Heep, Making of Star Wars. Kids today (and no, not trying to sound like a wise old man) will never have the joy of listening to the needle bump across vinyl, read-a-long adventure cassettes, 8-tracks, cine films with no sound, slide shows or any of the things that kept the saga alive between episodes from '77 to '83.
I remember well a conversation (well, an arguement actually) I had in a comic shop in Worcester about 11 years ago. I was there on a day off, drove the 50 or so miles to check out a good sci-fi shop I'd read about in Starburst and entered. It was when Star Trek Generations and Stargate were out, so the trailers were on a loop, and being a big Trekker I got a stack of Trek-related stuff.
Which would have been fine if a spotty, clueless 18 year olfd shop assistant hadn't been ripping a new one into a kid who had taken an interest in a box of (even then) old Star Wars Weeklys (us UK kids got a weekly Star Wars comic from Marvel back then, reprints of the US issues with exclusive UK stories plus back-up titles like Spider-Man, Tales of the Watcher and Killraven)
Spotty McZit was berating this poor lad, saying how badly written and drawn the Marvels were, how they were embarrasing and rubbish and tried to direct him towards a batch of the (admittedly excellent) Dark Horse titles.
Now, I'm sure that in his ham-fisted way he thought he was doing the kid a favour, but I couldn't let this one go. Having collected those comics as an 8 year old myself (and throwing them away in what I can only describe as a fit of temporary insanity, only to buy them back years later at a much higher price!) I just had to take Squirty McPockmark to one side and explain the following.
In 1977 you didn't have home video. You didn't have Dark Horse, or Bantam knocking out five or six novels a year. You didn't have West End Games, the internet (still fairly new back in '94) , the Galaxy Magazine, the Insider or any of the shiny new stuff you had back then.
You had Vinyl or cassettes. If you were a posh kid you had the silent, ten minute-long super-8 twin reel. You might have the Sphere print of the Star Wars novel, Splinter of the Minds Eye and Han Solo at Stars End. The Topps cards and the figures. If you were lucky, Mom and dad might sign you up for Bantha Tracks at Christmas.
But they, for the most part, were based on the actual film itself.
Above all that, certainly for me, was the comic. Between 77-80 and 80-83, those comics were the lifeblood of Star Wars fandom. They kept the stories alive, kept the ideas ticking over. For me they were the initial influence that started me writing fan fiction, something I still do today. Without those Marvel comics I likely wouldn't be writing this blog. My interest in Star Wars could likely have waned a long time ago if I didn't feel so involved in it all.
Looking back I am proud of my little rant that day.
But the whole point of this blog is to make a plea. Star Wars, for years, lived on video (videodisk and laserdisc). How may times did LFL re-release those films on video, in new packaging? "Improved digital sound", the remastered versions, the Special Editions, the list goes on.
To not release Revenge of the Sith on video isn't only a bad business decision (come on George, you know us guys are completists!). It's kind of an insult to us old school fans who were there in 1982 when Star Wars came to video, in 1984 when Empire hit the rental stores. In 1986 when Jedi came to this galaxy. I queued at midnight in 2001 for Phantom on video (and it was darn cold too!)
Do the right thing GL - you know it makes sense!

  nathanielobi1
date Posted: Oct 04, 2005 3:02 PM
A little bit old school, but I can understand your disappointment, but I was born in 89', so I'm more of a dvd person myself. But I wil admit, getting the little commerative gift pack of all 3 movies back in 93 was pretty sweet....so, rock on vhs!
janlomona
Smugglers Rants
date Posted: Oct 04, 2005 3:12 PM
True enough, I was born in 71 so I watched the video boom (Beta vs VHS, video disk, laserdisc etc) like you've watched DVD come in.
Blimey, 1989. I was roleplaying about three times a week back then, just started work, between girlfriends and pretty much living down the pub (god bless drinking age being 18 in the UK - although it didn't stop me getting into pubs when I was 16!)
Batman, Ghostbuster 2, Last Crusade. ILM still used to recieve the Oscars they deserved back then, Adrian Smith left Iron Maiden, Aerosmith released Pump...Vic and Bob!
The good old days!
  Rive Caedo
Rive's Uncharted Settlements
date Posted: Oct 04, 2005 3:21 PM
I remember back in my day they still released Blu-ray's and hyperoptics chips at the same time. Now all you get is HO Chips! How am I going to finish my Blu-ray set of the saga without Return of the Jedi's 11th rerelease?! <--- me, 2022

It's not that big a deal for me, I bought Episode 1 on VHS and DVD, but Episode 2 only on DVD, so I'm part of the problem it seems! :p
  Lord Flemm
Ponderings of the Maw
date Posted: Oct 04, 2005 4:14 PM
did the new coldplay album come out on record? no. vhs is a decaying format. it come's time some of us accept that. the end.
Pabawan
Fragments from the Mind's Eye
date Posted: Oct 04, 2005 5:59 PM
To not release Revenge of the Sith on video isn't only a bad business decision (come on George, you know us guys are completists!).

I suspect the total number of collectors who consider themselves completist is not enough to even make back a fragment of the production costs of a run of VHS tapes.
  jediknight2210
Where did you dig up that old fossil?
date Posted: Oct 04, 2005 7:04 PM
I suspect the total number of collectors who consider themselves completist is not enough to even make back a fragment of the production costs of a run of VHS tapes.

Sadly Pablo is right........It would be cool though if us collectors could send out for one. Like for example: Lucasfilm makes 10,000. Tells us the cost, than we buy it online.

Please!!!
janlomona
Smugglers Rants
date Posted: Oct 05, 2005 9:23 AM
I suspect the total number of collectors who consider themselves completist is not enough to even make back a fragment of the production costs of a run of VHS tapes.
Fair point, but think about it.
Lucas has an army of fans who pay for the priviledge of being on his website
Who buy and rebuy the re-releases of his films
Who are begging for DVD releases of the original versions of his movies
Who have helped break sales record after sales record, year after year
janlomona
Smugglers Rants
date Posted: Oct 05, 2005 9:24 AM
As a collector (and Lucas's financial hoarde is built, at least in part, by collectors like myself) I am genuinely disappointed that after five films, animated shows, makings of, re-releases and everything else there may have been, I won't be able to complete my video collection of the saga with a video of Revenge.
Seems a bit off to me.
By the way PH, many thanks for posting on my blog, always enjoy your insight into the SWG.
janlomona
Smugglers Rants
date Posted: Oct 05, 2005 9:27 AM
did the new coldplay album come out on record?
Actually Lord Flemm, I believe it did. Most albums get at least a limited pressing on vinyl because folks are still interested in the format.
As an Iron Maiden fan of 20+ years I would be seriously annoyed if they didn't release their stuff on vinyl. And that's speaking purely as a collector - I don't have a record player (which is kind of my point re : VHS release of ROTS)
  Bach Solo
Bach Solo's Blog
date Posted: Oct 06, 2005 12:40 AM
Janlomona, can I ask you a question? If they did release ROTS on VHS, would you actually watch it? Something tells me youd still watch the DVD release.
  Yoda_ JediMaster
The Jedi Order
date Posted: Oct 06, 2005 3:43 AM
Come on...I can understand why you would want it, but you need to roll with the times. I still have (as of yet) not purchased the old trilogy on DVD, and I'm sticking by the old faithful for a while yet. However, there is no joy (as you said there was) in waiting through the god damn slow capabilities of VHS. The DVD format is far more easier to use and looks better too. I was born in 1987 incase you're wondering. ;)
janlomona
Smugglers Rants
date Posted: Oct 06, 2005 6:48 AM
Bach, you have pointed out something very important to this thread, and the answer will probably make people think "Huh?"
No, I wouldn't watch a video copy. I would watch the DVD. It's better quality, has more extras and takes up less space.
BUT
Just because something is old you don't throw it away (or else George wouldn't have been making films he wrote 30 years ago would he)
Like I said, as a completist I want the ROTS video. Purely as a completist. I have a DVD collection of over 500 discs and only use video to tape off the TV.
But, like I said, Lucas' financial wealth was built, in large part, from packaging and re-packaging the trilogy on VHS. To not do it one last time for ROTS seems mad to me.
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