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Smugglers Rants
date posted: Oct 05, 2005 10:09 AM
Loyalty - at a Price
He had no choice...
If Anakin wanted to save Padme there was only one man who could help him. The Supreme Chancellor of the Republic, Chancellor Palpatine.
But Palpatine, a close friend of Anakin, was also the very sith lord they had been hunting for years. Palpatine was evil, a perversion of the Force...
And yet, he was the only one who could save Padme.
Yoda had meditated with Anakin, and had told him "You must learn to let go that which you fear to lose."
This was a teaching that would never satisfy Anakin Skywalker. He had lost his mother. He would not lose his wife and child.
So, in Palpatines office, faced with a choice between helping the distrustful Mace Windu or his powerful friend Palpatine he chose the latter, and swiftly pledged his allegiance.
But did he truly mean it?
Anakin had been seeking out the sith lord for long months, and now he knew who it was, and what he could do for him he joined him. The Jedi were liars in Anakins eyes. He felt they had treated him badly and held him back, lied about many things. But Paplatine was always clear and true to his word.
And yet Anakin knew that his powers were devloping swiftly, and that after he had learned all he needed from Palpatine that apprentice would usurp master.
On the Mustafar landing platform Anakin made clear his intentions. Together, he and Padme would defeat Palpatine and rule the galaxy.
Sound familiar?
Anakin believed in the kind of `democracy' that Palpatine was peddling - strong rule with a firm hand. It was a way of thinking that he, as Darth Vader, would practise and preach.
But Palpatine would have known that his apprentice harboured these thoughts. Perhaps that's why Vader was often sent away for extended periods of time on important missions, away from Coruscant. Perhaps Palpatine knew that Vader was a constant threat to him, and treated him as such.
Between the events of Star Wars and Empire, Anakin learned that the pilot who destroyed the Death Star was his son, Luke Skywalker.
The child who Palpatine had said was killed, by Vaders own hand, along with his mother on Mustafar.
Now Vader knew Palpatine was a liar, but he was too deeply emerged in the Dark Side.
Or was he?
He offered Luke the chance to destroy the Emperor and rule the galaxy as father and son.
This was no hollow offer - Anakin meant it. In many repsects, Empire was the only time we really saw Anakin verbally formalise his intent to fulfill the Prophecy of the Chosen One.
But Luke rejects him.
And yet the path is set, and in Jedi, after seeing enough he carries out his destiny.
So, given his intitial intention to defeat Palpatine and rule the galaxy, just how loyal was Anakin to Palpatine?

SithLord0017
That's a name I've not heard in a long time... a long time.
date Posted: Oct 05, 2005 11:45 AM
great blog... well written. of course Anakin was never truly loyal to Palps. Lets review episode by episode:
SithLord0017
That's a name I've not heard in a long time... a long time.
date Posted: Oct 05, 2005 11:45 AM
Ep. III- he liked Palps, but once he found out Palps was a sith lord he immediately hated him. he realized: this is the man who started this whole f*cking war, almost got my wife killed three times, his "apprentice" chop off my arm, and put me and my brothers through hell fighting people, and now hes smirking that hes the only f*cker who can save my wife- and hes has the balls to smile at the thought of me being his pawn? anakin wants to kill him rite there. he realizes Palps. entire plan, that hes a sith lord, and that now Palps has him rite where he wants him- and Anakin feels betrayed by him.
SithLord0017
That's a name I've not heard in a long time... a long time.
date Posted: Oct 05, 2005 11:45 AM
he wants to kill him, but he also realizes the Jedi have kept things from him and Palps. is his only chance to save Padme so he is very confused. (read my Mace vs. Palpatine blog to see exactly what i'm talking about)

anyway... after Anakin pledged himself, he tried to be and even pretended to himself that he was truly loyal, but truth is he was just using him (just like all sith do to people) to get what he wanted (save padme) and after that failed or succeded in that, he would have killed Palps.
SithLord0017
That's a name I've not heard in a long time... a long time.
date Posted: Oct 05, 2005 11:46 AM
end of Ep. III to end of Ep. IV- I think what happenned was since Padme died and he now hated the Jedi and Obi-wan, Anakin had nothing left except Palpatine (who even was an a**hole to him and played him like a fool, was still like a father-figure to him and still tried to "save padme"). Palpatine always listened (or at least pretended to) to anakin and tried to help him (or at least pretended to).
SithLord0017
That's a name I've not heard in a long time... a long time.
date Posted: Oct 05, 2005 11:46 AM
Besides this fact Anakin was now wounded almost mortally and needed to be rescued and put on a life support machine. It was the act of Palpatine (the last person in the world Anakin might have liked as a friend, considering Padme is dead and Obi-wan turned on him) coming to save Anakin and still being loyal to him by saving him in the suit and stuff, that made Anakin be fully loyal to Palpatine. Now Anakin is truly loyal, but then Palps f*cks up again...
SithLord0017
That's a name I've not heard in a long time... a long time.
date Posted: Oct 05, 2005 11:47 AM
In Between Episode IV and V / During Ep. V- Vader's son appears out of nowhere! Now Vader realizes Palps lied to him about Padme. Vader thinks back and realizes that in order for Luke to be born, Padme had to have been alive after the duel which would mean that either Palps. didnt save her or that he killed her (read my blog on How Palps killed Padme).
SithLord0017
That's a name I've not heard in a long time... a long time.
date Posted: Oct 05, 2005 11:47 AM
In Between Episode IV and V / During Ep. V- Vader's son appears out of nowhere! Now Vader realizes Palps lied to him about Padme. Vader thinks back and realizes that in order for Luke to be born, Padme had to have been alive after the duel which would mean that either Palps. didnt save her or that he killed her (read my blog on How Palps killed Padme).
SithLord0017
That's a name I've not heard in a long time... a long time.
date Posted: Oct 05, 2005 11:47 AM
Now Anakin's loyalty is gone and he wants to kill Palpatine, but he knows how powerful he is and so does not think he can do it himself- besides he needs to "pretend" to need Luke's help in killing Palps, so that he can fully turn Luke to the darkside so he HAS to join him. this is why in Empire he tells Luke to join him (1. he thinks he might need help killing Palps. and 2. he wants to turn Luke and this is the easiest way to do it). Now he is completely unloyal to him.
SithLord0017
That's a name I've not heard in a long time... a long time.
date Posted: Oct 05, 2005 11:47 AM
Ep. VI- Now in Return of the Jedi, Luke clearly states he is a Jedi and refuses to join Vader. Vader now knows he has 3 options: 1. Kill his own son (the last thing of true family who is the only one left he really loves) and stay a Sith with Palpatine, who he hates. or 2. be killed and let Luke become the new Sith (and be manipulated by Palps like Vader was). or finally 3. turn good again- not stay a Sith and give up his empire, two things which are not easy to do, but at least Luke (who he cares about) will be safe (from both the Darkside and from death itself).
SithLord0017
That's a name I've not heard in a long time... a long time.
date Posted: Oct 05, 2005 11:47 AM
He hopes Luke will turn and join him, but seeing how it doesnt work out and seeing his son almost dies allows Vader to break what little was left of his loyalty to Palps and throw the b*stard over the rail.

anyway... sorry for writing so much, but that, in a long explanation, is my opinion of Vader's loyalty. here's it in a short version (which i should have done to begin with haha):
SithLord0017
That's a name I've not heard in a long time... a long time.
date Posted: Oct 05, 2005 11:47 AM
Ep. III: Loyal only until Padme's fate is decided- then either way he is planning on killing him for all he's done.
End of Ep. III to Ep. IV: Fully Loyal after Palps saved him
Between Ep. IV and V and During V: HATES PALPS! WANTS TO KILL HIM for not saving her and for lieing to him and for all the sh*t he put him through so far. decides to go after his son and try to turn him and get help to kill Palps.
Ep. VI- Loyal only to his son. We see this clearly at the end.
SithLord0017
That's a name I've not heard in a long time... a long time.
date Posted: Oct 05, 2005 11:47 AM
overall i think he was always only loyal to his family. when his family was not around or he didnt know they were around, he was loyal to palps. as seen at the end of Ep. III and in Ep. IV.

sorry if my replies are very long and if they are hard to understand. once i get hyperspace again in December, i'm going to have to write a blog about this (and give credit for you inspiring me of course). once again great blog!!!
  Nicole414
date Posted: Oct 05, 2005 12:15 PM
Wow I completely agree with both of you on your ideas. That is basically what I try to argue to people and they have no idea what i'm talking about (they're not as huge of a fan as i am though). Great blogs!
janlomona
Smugglers Rants
date Posted: Oct 05, 2005 12:34 PM
Nicole, join the great club of Star Wars freaks - it's a big club and you're very welcome!
  ta531
date Posted: Oct 05, 2005 5:09 PM
Anakin wanted to use palps to save padme and his kids. So when palps tells anakin he is the sith instead of chopping him down right there and killing him he goes to the jedi council which he is apart of. he thinks they will just imprisson palps and make him stand trial and that he will get to help bring him in. but mace wouldnt let anakin come with and when anakin comes running in he sees vmace ready to deliver the killing blow but he cant let that happen so he decides not mace or palps but mace or padme. padme won his vote he chops maces arm off palps then kills mace and anakin has no choice but to become a sith.
  Lord Tapia3
date Posted: Oct 06, 2005 12:41 AM
Here's a question, before you would of agreed to Palpatine's offer, anakin should of said, "Save her first" Then I will join you, instead of Palpatine saying"If we work together, I know we can discover the secret" If anakin would of had a brain, right then palpatine didn't have the answer after saying he did.....Anakin should of struck at palpatine when he was on the ground....Then Yoda and the rest of the jedi would have only had anakins verison, since both mace & palpatine were dead...Anankin was weakminded! Bowing in palpatine, I would never do that.... What an Idiot!!
  Darth Gehena
date Posted: Oct 08, 2005 2:59 PM
About Anakin's loyalty to Sidious, Anakin had become a true Sith. And as such, Sith Lords have a habit of conspiring against their masters. Look what happened to Darth Plagius!
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