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 | Damn Fool Idealistic Crusade |
 " Your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough, but your uncle wouldn't allow it. He feared you might follow old Obi-Wan on some damn fool idealistic crusade like your father did."
Alright, apart from the undeniable fact that Anakin never once said he wanted Luke to have his lightsabre when he was old enough, and apart from the observation that Ben is being very sly by trying to put a wedge between Luke and Owen...what `damn fool idealistic crusade' is Kenobi talking about?
Is this a reference to the Jedi's hunt for the mysterious sith? Or an adventure they shared during the Clone Wars? Or is Ben, as he often seemed to when talking to Luke, just telling things from a certain point of view?
We've had this speech of Kenobi's in our heads for 28 years - but what is Ben referring to?
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ywingempress
Shroud of the Dark Side
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date Posted: Oct 06, 2005 7:56 AM
I think it's more a description of the Jedi in general. Rather than stay in one place, raise a family, have a job, have a 'normal' life, etc., Jedi are wanderers with no home, who travel around righting wrongs and helping people, all under the direction of some strange unseeable entity known as 'The Force'. Jedi must give up their homes, families, and possessions for a 'greater good', and that's what I see as the idealistic crusade.
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sithhappens!
sithhappens! diary
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date Posted: Oct 06, 2005 7:59 AM
Ben is telling the story in such a way that Luke will understand - and will relate to. Luke can imagine his father being stuck on Tatooine, like he is, and following Obi-Wan on an adventure to become a Jedi Knight. Ben tells Luke only what he needs to hear. No more, no less. He isn't going to start, "Well, Qui-Gon, my master, and me, I was but a Padawan, were called to resolve a trade dispute on Naboo and..."
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Kenobi-fan
The Jundland Wastes Journal
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date Posted: Oct 06, 2005 9:48 AM
I think these comments are over-analyzed. Since it's obvious Luke knows nothing about his parents, I also think Ben is simplifying a very complex subject. Having said that, I think Ben should have told Luke EVERYTHING no matter what the Lars family thought. I understand not wanting to upset Luke or put him in direct path of the Dark Side, but keeping this information from him almost seems like betrayal and could have back-fired terribly. Despite claims about Luke's complaining, he acted very mature when it came to redeeming his father and the Jedi.
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Darius, Lord Of The Sith
Thoughts From Darius
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date Posted: Oct 06, 2005 10:48 PM
I think it's basically a reference to everything that happens after the start of the Clone Wars. The Jedi are not supposed to be warriors. They are supposed to be peacekeepers. Getting involved in the war as generals to try to save the Republic, which had already become corrupt beyond repair even prior to Palpatine becoming Chancellor, is the crusade he speaks of (in light of what we have seen in the prequels). I don't believe GL had those exact details in mind when he made ANH, so initially it was probably just a reference to fighting in the war at all.
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Darius, Lord Of The Sith
Thoughts From Darius
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date Posted: Oct 06, 2005 10:51 PM
Additionally, I'm sure that the Jedi were not very popular by the time ANH rolled around. If the people believed Palpatine, then they would think that the Jedi had tried to betray the Republic. If they did not believe that, I'm sure many people felt that the Jedi had failed them. It would seem that Owen just does not want Luke to have anything to do with the Jedi or his own past.
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Darius, Lord Of The Sith
Thoughts From Darius
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date Posted: Oct 06, 2005 10:55 PM
One final thought on why Ben and Yoda held back information from Luke... on many occassions, they made reference to how much like his father Luke was... perhaps they feared that if Luke knew about his origins, he might become as arrogant as Anakin did. Remember, Anakin took himself very seriously. He was the Chosen One. Why wasn't he a master? Why didn't the Jedi trust him? Why did he have to hold himself back? After seeing how Anakin dealt with the awesome power he possessed (and he was trained) maybe they thought it would have overwhelmed Luke.
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janlomona
Smugglers Rants
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date Posted: Oct 07, 2005 4:44 AM
After seeing how Anakin dealt with the awesome power he possessed (and he was trained) maybe they thought it would have overwhelmed Luke.
That is a good point Darius, and one I've thought before. Telling Luke everything right away about his heritage, his father, his sister, the importance of raising the Jedi Order from the ashes, it would have been too much. Better to inform him in stages as he matures into a man (after all, he was only 19 at the time of Star Wars) than risk either scaring him off or filling him with arrogance (like Anakin)
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shadowball2021
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date Posted: Oct 07, 2005 5:15 PM
Grear points everyone and an even better idea for a blog! I agree, Luke might not have been able to take all that info in at once and could have changed him like it did to Ani. It was nice but Yoda and Obi had the right idea of telling Luke it bits and chunks until they felt he was old and mature enough to handle it all. It didn't feel right from our view but in watching all the movies and the clon wars, it seem like the best way to handle it with Luke: the last hope of the jedi and the republic! 
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shadowball2021
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date Posted: Oct 07, 2005 5:16 PM
* great, my bad.
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Darth Gehena
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date Posted: Oct 08, 2005 1:55 AM
Here I thought the Clone Wars as a whole was the "damn fool idealistic crusade" old man Obi-wan refered to. The entire friggin war was a sham, hence the 'damn fool' part. The Jedi fighting in the war for the sake of saving the Republic from the Separatists would be the 'idealistic' part, not to mention the 'crusade' as well.
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FAN4YRS
A Rebel's Ramblings
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date Posted: Aug 08, 2006 3:29 PM
First off, we don't know what Anakin "never" said, because we didn't see every last minute of his life. He may have told Padme that he wanted his child to become a Jedi or to have his lightsaber, which is pretty much saying the same thing.
The Crusade, of course, would have been to overthrow the Empire.
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