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Smugglers Rants
date posted: Dec 21, 2005 10:41 AM
A Different New Order
Jango Fett...

Bounty hunter, and one of the best. His reputation had spread far and wide, so much so that he was sought out by Count Dooku and choosen to be the template clone for what would, a decade later, become the Grand Army of the Republic.
In many respects, Jango Fett, in that instant, literally became the face of the Empire.

But what if Jango Fett hadn't been a human?

We accept the Original Trilogy fact that the Empire grew to be anti-alien and pro-human, and there is both a logical reason for that in terms of story and in real life.

On Earth, circa 1976, when filming Star Wars, Lucas knew he didn't have either the cash or the make up technology to accurately portray an Empire of aliens, and so the New Order became, largely, a humans only club.
In the Star Wars Universe, the seat of power was located on Coruscant, and in the Star Wars Galaxy, humans originated from Coruscant. Therefore, there's a certain logic to humans ruling the roost, quite apart from the fact the Palpatine was human himself.

So, how different would things have been if Jango had been an alien. If Lucas had been free of financial and practical constraints, would the army of the Empire be different? Would it even matter if Jango had been an alien?
After all, hidden beneath the drone-like mask of a Stormtrooper, it would make little difference.
Or would it?
There was an ideaology to what Palpatine was aiming to achieve with his new Empire. He was more than prepared, with Darth Vader as his iron fist, to crush the galaxy beneath his heel in order to make it comply. And, while humans may well have been the most prolific race in the galaxy they would still be hugely outnumbered by every other race combined.
But by taking all the actions he did in the prequels - merging the Commerce Guild, the Corporate Alliance, the Separatist Movement, the Trade Federation - into the larger mass of what soon became the Empire, many of the massive corporations run by aliens became obsolete. Notice in the prequels that these organisations are all run by aliens, with the exception of the Separatist movement which was run by Dooku, Palpatine's pawn.
By the time of A New Hope, the galaxy has been subjected to two decades of Imperial expansion, an age of tyranny for human and alien alike. Buit would this all have run so smoothly if Jango hadn't been a human? If he hadn't understood what he was being asked to give of himself all those years before? His attitude was part of what made him so unique, and that bled down through the cloning process to literally millions of clones.
Would the same results have been achieved in a non-human subject?
Let's assume they would. Why wouldn't they? All inhabit the galaxy, all have views on the way things should be run, and many of these corporations who were turned on by Palpatine were willing participants in order to get rich and powerful.
Would Palpatine have been willing to trust his entire galaxy to aliens? Would he trust his masterplan to a clone of an alien?
Would he have trusted Order 66 to aliens?
His aides were largely alien in the Prequels, but by the time of the Original Trilogy that appears to have changed. Was he simply using them to get what he needed before jettisoning them away, or did he truly trust them?

Is Palpatine nothing more than a racist?


  yodafueva
Journal of a mad SW and HP fan
date Posted: Dec 21, 2005 11:52 AM
Is palpatine nothing more than a racist

maybe I mean it did not seem like he cared about aliens but is aides were aliens
  DevoDu'zyn
date Posted: Dec 21, 2005 1:58 PM
Before the empire it can be argured that he could be racist, except for the fact that, although just a pawn in the over all scheme, General Grievous was not human, also some of Papaltine's concil, followers, groupies or whatever you want to call them were not human.

AFTER the empire was born? yeah, he's high on the most racist list...
  Master Asmodeus
date Posted: Dec 21, 2005 2:30 PM
Alot of the things about the Empire in the later three films parallels Nazi Germany. The uniforms, the fact Stormtroopers are called Stormtroopers, their anti-alien attitude. I think, ultimately, the Empire would always have been shown in this way. Instead of attacking people for having the "wrong" coloured hair, "wrong" shaped facial features, or "wrong"coloured skin, the Empire attacks those with the "wrong" number of limbs, or for being Reptillian or Insectile in origins. Yes, Palpatine is racist. He used alien aides as a public mask until he could be rid of them.
  Darth Rex0
So be it....
date Posted: Dec 21, 2005 2:48 PM
I've just started reading Rouge Planet which takes place 3 years after TPM, but Tarkin has already had a rant where "humans are the future". It would seem the EU is explaining what you describe as a race thing and it seems the comparisons to Nazi Germany are valid.
  Borma Feng
The Crack of Doom!
date Posted: Dec 22, 2005 5:21 AM
Count Dooku also seems to have a similar anti-alien bias, judging by his 'Empire of Man' thoughts in the RotS novel.

Perhaps it wasn't just a coincidence that Tyranus informed Jango Fett and Montross (humans, both) of the bounty on Komari Vosa that would lead them to Bogden. I wonder if the Sith would have told hunters like Bossk or Zuckuss?
  Darth Chockerious
date Posted: Dec 22, 2005 5:48 AM
Palpatine wasn't a racist, he was a specisist. He favored the human species over all others. George didn't just use the Nazi's as a model for the Empire. there are several other examples throughout human history.
  DevoDu'zyn
date Posted: Dec 22, 2005 6:14 AM
speciest, racist, same thing...each contain living "beings" that discriminated and exploited
  Darth Kevinmhk
date Posted: Dec 22, 2005 8:44 AM
If Jango Fett is not human, find another!
This is the easiest way to carry on~
  Grand Admiral Veers0
date Posted: Dec 22, 2005 7:31 PM
If Jango Fett was not human then he wouldn't have been Jango Fett. As far as I know, Mandalorians were all humans (or close to it) and that was what made Jango so valuable; a master combatant of a near-extinct race that were born to be the galaxy's greatest warriors. If Jango and then his clones weren't human, I would have to agree with you that Palps wouldn't have trusted them with his vision.
More-than-likely he would have started a secondary cloning program (with human tamplates, of course) that would form the Imperial army after the alien Republic army was disbanded. As for Order 66, he''l have to trust them
  Thane of Rossifer
date Posted: Dec 27, 2005 10:44 AM
I agree with Darth Kevinmhk. If Jango wasn't human, Dooku would have found a more suitable candidate.
  Ello137
Apocalypse Later
date Posted: Jan 16, 2006 8:15 AM
He was also sexist: the Non-HuMan Track in the imperial navy discriminated against everything but Human Males.

And, while humans may well have been the most prolific race in the galaxy they would still be hugely outnumbered by every other race combined.

I'm gonna take exception to that. While the core- and human-centric storyline may twist our perceptions, about 1/2 of the Jedi we see--even extras!--seem to be humans. Yes there are aliens, many of them, and there are only 2 humans on the council, but humans control the core, all the ecumenopoli, and many of the outlying colonies.
  Ello137
Apocalypse Later
date Posted: Jan 16, 2006 8:17 AM
ecumenopolis: cities built on the mold of coruscant: the most living space available short of a dyson's sphere or ringworld
  Ello137
Apocalypse Later
date Posted: Jan 16, 2006 5:48 PM
And also, it would be a bad move to have no alien advisors while in the republic, like having an all-white cabinet
  warthogjedi
Absolutely Whacked Theories Department: Warthogs and Wookiees
date Posted: Jan 25, 2006 10:26 AM
I'm wondering where Palpatine's bias came from in the first place. Did he get annoyed with Jar Jar, or was it the fact that Darth Maul, his only non-human apprentice was killed by a padawan? Did Padme's opposition to the army bug him?
General Tarfful
The Kachirho Daily Journal
date Posted: Jul 28, 2006 1:27 PM
I think that this is one of the more interesting (and often overlooked) aspects of Star Wars. Palpatine manipulated the various alien trade groups of the galaxy and made them the enemy of the Republic. (Other human-run organizations - ahem, Sienar - benefited hugely from the rise of Palpatine's Empire.) The recent revelation that Plagueis was a Muun promises to reveal some of the root of that.

And don't you love it when adding a new twist to the plot also cuts production costs?!? :D
General Tarfful
The Kachirho Daily Journal
date Posted: Jul 28, 2006 1:55 PM
Oh, as for the topic at hand - I think Palpatine probably wouldn't have considering a nonhuman to be the face of the Empire. No, then he'd just be replacing one evil (the Jedi) with another (the clones), in his mind at least.
General Tarfful
The Kachirho Daily Journal
date Posted: Jul 28, 2006 1:55 PM
But there are anomalies. Thrawn and Xizor come to mind. But even Thrawn, with all his genius, was relegated to "the thankless task of mapping huge areas of the Unknown Regions" (SW Databank). Out of sight, out of mind - Palpatine took advantage of Thrawn's ability without actually having to deal with him on a regular basic. And we all know what happened to Xizor - killed by Vader. Could it have all just been an elaborate test of Vader's ability to secure Luke? I don't know. But it certainly adds a whole new element to Shadows of the Empire.
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