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Smugglers Rants
date posted: Jan 18, 2006 11:15 AM  |  updated: Jan 21, 2006 6:19 AM
Who's Your Daddy?
The Chosen One...

Born of the Force, if you believe the Prophecy. Brought into the world by Shmi Skywalker. As a child growing up, young Anakin had no father to look up to, or to guide him.
But he certainly had male authority figures in his life, the foremost appearing to be Watto. The junkyard owner was tough on the boy, sometimes cruel, but seemed to have a genuine soft spot for Anakin - and a keen eye on his unique talents. But Watto was no substitute for a real father, and clearly young Anakin longed for that very figure in his life.
Then, aged 9, Qui-Gon Jinn entered his life. Finally, someone who could be the father he had always longed for. Clearly Anakin was immediately taken with Jinn, and stayed close to the venerable Jedi, especially when his Jedi heritage was revealed.
But in Anakin Qui-Gon saw something entirely different. He didn't see a surrogate son - if anything, Obi-Wan was already that. Jinn saw the Chosen One, and a powerful vergence in the Force. To Qui-Gon, Anakin was no son, but a gift from the Force.
Young Anakins life was turned upside down by two events. The separation from his mother and the death of Qui-Gon. It could be viewed the in The Phanton Menace, Anakin lost not only his mother, but his father-figure as well.
Granting his dying wish, the Jedi Council allowed Jinns former padawan Obi-Wan to train the boy, and over the following years Ben replaced Qui-Gon as Anakin's father-figure. The young Jedi admits this to Ben in the Outlander Club in Attack of the Clones, "You'll be the death of me." "Don't say that Master, you're like a father to me." and again to Padme when Ben has been captured by Dooku "He's like my father!".
But in Anakin Ben didn't see a son. He saw trouble. "The boy is dangerous, they all sense it, why can't you?" he once asked of Qui-Gon, and although this attitude was blurred over their years of master and apprenticeship, he still knew Anakin had to be watched with a careful eye. And, as the Clone Wars were waged across the galaxy and Anakin attained the level of Jedi Knight just prior to Revenge of the Sith they became more like brothers, squabbling and bickering like sibblings.
But in the midst of this another figure came to the fore - Chancellor Palpatine.
He had watched Anakin since the events of Episode 1. Indeed, it has been theorised that he was a part of The Chosen One's creation. With Jinn dead and Ben now more of an equal, Palpatine became the father figure in Anakin's life, and unbeknownst to Anakin exerted his authority over the young man. Over time, Anakin came to value the words and thoughts of the Chancellor over Kenobi, or any other member of the council.
And ultimately, this led to the downfall of the Jedi, and of Anakin himself.
If Jinn hadn't died at the hands of Darth Maul, how differently would events have played out?
If Ben had been more of a father figure, would Anakin still have turned to the dark side, or did it all come too soon to Kenobi?
And ultimately, was Palpatine Anakins father anyway?

  PrincessJessieSkywalker
The Tatooine Dream
date Posted: Jan 18, 2006 11:26 AM
Okay, I really liked this blog. I just got done reading Revenge of the Sith by Stover & I think I can help answer your questions. Yes, Palpatine did create Anakin. Wish it were not true, but it is! Aside from the book, I believe Lucas stated this also in one of those documentaries. My beliefs about Anakin turning to the Darkside is that he would have done it regardless of Obi-Wan & his relationship. He trusted Obi-Wan with everything, he loved him & would have done anything for him. Believe it or not, but Obi-Wan was one of Anakin's "attachments" as well. It was Palpatines lies about the Jedi trying to overthrow him that caused Anakin in the end to turn.
  PrincessJessieSkywalker
The Tatooine Dream
date Posted: Jan 18, 2006 11:45 AM
cont'd...
Even after Anakin found out Palpatine's true identity (the Sith Lord that he was), Anakin still sided w/him because he had the key to keep Padme alive. That was the main reason Anakin stayed w/Palpatine. Also, The Jedi (especially Obi-Wan) knew how Anakin felt about Palpatine...that he was a friend, a mentor, and like a father to him, yet Obi-Wan still asked him to spy on Palpatine. That is why he believed Palpatine (at the time) that the Jedi were trying to take over. Hope this helps you out some. :D
  DarthVicomte
Vicomte's Blog Extravaganza (Now Defunct)
date Posted: Jan 18, 2006 1:18 PM
OT favoritism, anyone?;)

Yes, Palpatine did create Anakin. Wish it were not true, but it is!

*cough*
  Numéro7
date Posted: Jan 18, 2006 1:25 PM
I ... do not believe Palpatine created Anakin and I remember an interview with lucas (damn where did it come from ...) where he states that he will leave it in the middle so we can decide for ourselves. But as I said, i don't believe it, it is although your right to do so. I also think Obi didn't only see trouble in Anakin : ''You were like a brother to me ... I loved you !''
That pretty much says it all, doesn't it ? But I do think some more experienced master should have trained Anakin
  Numéro7
date Posted: Jan 18, 2006 1:29 PM
He was like too valuable to be given to someone without any experience, regardless his heroics or capability ... I think Obi did quite a good job. it's not really his fault ... Anakin was just a too powerfull padawan for a jedi with obi-wan's lack of experience. I don't understand why, if the boy would be trained anyway, Yoda didn't do it ... Afterall he was the best ...
  Numéro7
date Posted: Jan 18, 2006 1:33 PM
It's like ... Could you leave it up to a 9 year old child who has never had a dog to train a pitbull ? Obi-Wan was just not experienced enough to keep control over Anakin. That also explains why Obi-Wan sees him as a brother and not as his son ... They're equal.
  Darth Kevinmhk
date Posted: Jan 18, 2006 9:11 PM
PrincessJessieSkywalker:

First, i believed Plagueis created Anakin.
(Just i believe, not a hard evidence fact noted that!)

But: Both Stover and GL has never said Sidious create Anakin
Combining Vader The Ultiamte Guide, NEC, Labyrinth, ROTS Novel,
DL:RODV, all of them suggest Sidious never learn how to create life
via the Force.

The only choice of Sith creating Anakin is Plagueis.
  Darth Kevinmhk
date Posted: Jan 18, 2006 9:15 PM
Sidious consider Plagueis' Life Creating as a threat to replace him
by a better apprentice, so he killed Plagueis.
Whether Plagueis success to create Ani before his death remain
debatable

Sidious dont really care about Life Creating, he only care about
"Cheat Death". He ASSUMED mastering Life Creating = mastering
Cheat Death as well. (As we can see, Cheat Death users Qui-Gon,
Obi-Wan and Yoda didnt know how to create life)

Even when he seduced Ani, Sidious only assume Plagueis could cheat
death and together they can also master it. While evidence to support
Plagueis mastering Life Creating is thin, and much thinner about Plagueis
master Cheat Death as well
  PrincessJessieSkywalker
The Tatooine Dream
date Posted: Jan 19, 2006 7:58 AM
I am sorry, you guys are right...It is suggested that it is Plagueis, not Sidious. I may be wrong, so don't jump down my throat, but I could have swore that in one of the docs w/Lucas he said that the Sith created Anakin. I know I heard it somewhere, because I didn't want to believe that side of the story until I heard it from him. I am no expert & have a lot going on in my own life, so I forget things and my source may be wrong. If it is GREAT, then I can go back to believing that Anakin was created by the Force!
  JodaLewski
Consular, Sentinel, or Guardian?
date Posted: Jan 19, 2006 8:54 AM
if QG lives, i still believe that anakin turns to the dark side. one simple reason? palpatine. and besides, how long did ani really know QG? a few days? maybe ani thought of him as a father but i'm not sure how much of an impact QG had in retrospect. palpatine is able to win anakin over, by acting like a father figure to him. the only thing he wanted him for is so that he could strengthen his grip on the galaxy. the jedi were not meant to be father figures and that's what he needed so i guess they shouldn't have been surprised at what happened. again, i'm amazed at how evil sidious really was.

cont
  JodaLewski
Consular, Sentinel, or Guardian?
date Posted: Jan 19, 2006 8:56 AM
i also think that plagueis created anakin, not sidious. the motives just are just better w/ plagueis as the creator. it makes more sense for sidious to murder him knowing that this force child would be his successor. sidious's plan to help anakin save padme was a bluff and anankin fell for it and the rest is history.
  jediskater5
date Posted: Jan 19, 2006 12:51 PM
i believe that ani's daddy was a jedi. i posted a comment ina another profile sayin his mom was probaly a prostitute cause she said there was no father but yet how did she get preggers? and that would also explain y the force was strong with him in the beginnig
  Ello137
Apocalypse Later
date Posted: Jan 19, 2006 2:18 PM
anakin's paternity is a question for another day, i.e. never (and one that could be instantaneously resolved by giving Luke a blood test if any author wanted too). My idea is that Obi-wan was what Anakin needed: Anakin was loyal to people, including Obi-wan, and already resented Mace/Yoda. But Palp's pull was just too strong, and had too many different ways to get to Anni.
  Jedi_Luke25
date Posted: Jan 19, 2006 8:08 PM
I guess it was Obi Wan Kenobi himself who portrayed much as Anakin's second father since Anakin himself didn't have a true father at the 1st place..
  Darth Kevinmhk
date Posted: Jan 19, 2006 11:40 PM
Oh, if you have Sith Creating Anakin info from the mouth of GL then it would be awesome!
  Archangelysses
What to do with a drunken Dark Lord?
date Posted: Jan 21, 2006 3:23 AM
You could argue back and forth for ages regarding whether Sidious or Plagueis is the person responsible.

I personally have to say Plagueis for a very simple reason that I bet GL would agree is so obvious

FACT - Anakin was created by the midichlorians causing him to be unbelieveably strong in the force

FACT - Sidious states quite clearly that Plagueis could even manipulate the midichlorians to create life

This implies that Plagueis at least successfully once created a life this way. If this was not Anakin then were was this other superbly force strong individual who would have been approximately Anakins age or older at the time of the clone wars.
  Archangelysses
What to do with a drunken Dark Lord?
date Posted: Jan 21, 2006 3:29 AM
cont

You cant tell me that if the whole galaxy is at war - and by now you know your gifted - that you would stay out of the fight and not get involved. And once involved like luke and Anakin be the best ####### pilot and natural fighter that one side or the other had

No. Only Anakin was on the scene.

Therefore Sidious is even more evil for the fact that he caused the death of not only Anakins creator/father Plagueis, he also was the cause of his father figures death in Qui-Gon, the death of his father/mentor in Obi-Wan and the death of his beloved wife who was his world his heart his life
  Archangelysses
What to do with a drunken Dark Lord?
date Posted: Jan 21, 2006 3:32 AM
Cont

Curious thought, I am not entirely sure and would have to read the novelization of Ep II again but I seem to recall that the Sand People that took his mother raided out of the ordinary. If this be so, then it is possible that Sidious or Tyranus had a hand in organizing the death of Shmi just to start Anakin on the downwards treck.

For it was definately clear that Palpatine already knew in Ep III about Anakin's dreams of Padme Dying, then would it not be concievable that he knew if not conspired in the death of Shmi.
janlomona
Smugglers Rants
date Posted: Jan 21, 2006 6:21 AM
Glad there have been so many relies to this blog, I had a feeling it mihgt bring people out to discuss.
The point I'm attempting to make is that Anakin never had a father figure, and none of the above saw him as a `son' either. Palpatine had his own agenda - you could say, if you believe that Plageuis created Anakin, that Palpatine hijacked that and took Anakin on as his own. Certainly, I don't ever hear The Emperor referring to Darth Vader as `son'. but Chancellor Palpatine says it to Anakin all the time.
janlomona
Smugglers Rants
date Posted: Jan 21, 2006 6:24 AM
Ben saw Anakin as a threat, then as a pupil, a brother and finally as a `grave threat', but Anakin referred to Ben as `being like my father'.
Qui-Gon was likely the first Jedi Anakin had met, and an element of hero worship was at play. But Qui-Gon saw Anakin as the Chosen One, again not as a 'son'.
So, the only `father' that Anakin ever knew was, in many ways, Palpatine. And look at how the pieces of that puzzle fell. It all fit, Palpatine knew about his love for Padme, his disatisfaction with the Jedi, his competitiveness with Obi-Wan and his willingness to do anything to save his wife and child.
The perfect plot.
janlomona
Smugglers Rants
date Posted: Jan 21, 2006 6:33 AM
The point is, along with a hunger for power, his burning love for his wife and his own struggle with his dark side, Anakin crazed for the love of a father, and while he thought he would find it with Ben, Qui-Gon and the Jedi, they turned out to be cold and unemotional (until it was too late) Palpatine was warm, comforting, encouraging. He inflated Anakins large ego, told him what he wanted to hear and seemed to be fully behind him. Along with everything else, this made Anakin vulnerable to Palpatine's machinations.
As much as losing his mother swayed him to the dark side, the need for a father also led him towards Palpatine and the dark side.
  Numéro7
date Posted: Jan 22, 2006 7:57 AM
referring to Archangelysses' post : FACT - Sidious states quite clearly that Plagueis could even manipulate the midichlorians to create life

I had another interpretation on this sentence. Sidious was clearly tempting Anakin with the power to save Padmé, telling him about Plagieus who learned the power to stop people from dying. The way I see it, the sentence i referred to simply means he could manipulate the midichlorians so that people won't die. That would be liek creating life in a dying person = simply preventing people from dying. In that way it's not even proven Plagieus could create new life. That was what I thought/think when seeing the movie.
  Numéro7
date Posted: Jan 22, 2006 7:58 AM
that should be life
  Master_Skywalker54
date Posted: Jan 25, 2006 2:53 PM
Well about Plagiues creating Anakin i dont think so I think he was just created by the will of the force in order to become the chosen one. And about that thing were someone said that if plaguies created someone else wouldnt they join in the war too, now im not sure about this but what about Asajj Ventress I havent heard anything about her parentage all I know is that she had a master that was left behind by the Jedi and that she swore to kill 12 warlords before becoming Dookus servant.
  Master_Skywalker54
date Posted: Jan 25, 2006 2:54 PM
Also I think Qui-Gon JInn did veiw Anakin some what as a son and I also think Qui-Gon would have been the perfect master for Anakin. They are alot a like I know for a fact that Qui-Gon had a love life like Anakin and that he also followed is own feelings rather than the will of the council. Except for one difference Anakins feelings led him to do bad things Qui-Gon led him to do good. I think that if Qui-Gon would have ben Anakins master Anakin would have developed those same traits.
  Master_Skywalker54
date Posted: Jan 25, 2006 2:54 PM
Anakin would have made Qui-Gon proud where Anakin made Obi-Wan a little nervous, in one of the books about Obi-Wans training Qui-Gon says "Sometimes you are too fond of the rules Obi-Wan." WHich is exactly why Anakin would have been better off with Qui Gon as his master
  Master_Skywalker54
date Posted: Jan 25, 2006 2:57 PM
And Palpy knew Anakin was having the dreams about Padme dying because he was putting them there im sure that without the interference of Anakin becoming Vader and alll that PAdmes childbirth would have been fine.
  Star Wars fan JC
date Posted: Jan 26, 2006 7:30 PM
I don't think Palpatine 'put' the dreams in Anakins mind!
Anakin can see the future. It's just like when Luke was training with Yoda when he had the vision about the cloud city.
As for Palpatine knowing about the dreams, I think he was just nosy and read Anakin's mind whenever he felt like it!
I could be wrong. :) But in Timothy Zahn's (book) trilogy there was this guy who made a habit of reading other peoples minds.
So Palpatine was at least ABLE to read Anakin's mind.
That's my theroy anyway :)
StellaBlu
Obi-Wan's little friend
date Posted: Mar 24, 2006 5:34 PM
I agree with MasterSkywalker 54 that Qui-Gon would have been the perfect master for Anakin. However the poor man didn't have that chance. But we should give credit to Obi-wan for keeping his word to Qui-Gon to take care of Anakin and train him. Obi-wan had no idea of what Anakin was going through. It's ashame that Anakin did not confide in him about his troubles instead of going to Palpatine. Like when he killed the sand people, he told Palpatine but not Obi-wan. Then he once said to Padme that Obi was jelous of him. Anakin had poor judgement of others, even of Padme in the end. Mabey if Anakin had more trust and faith in Obi-wan and Padme, things could have turned out different.
Oh well........:)
  Fish1941
date Posted: May 24, 2006 1:32 PM
What evidence IS THERE in the novels or movies that Palpatine had created Anakin using the Force? What is it about many SW fans about their refusal to consider the possibility that the Force had created Anakin? Does the idea of Anakin being the result of an immaculate birth really that impossible to accept? Is this notion that Palpatine had created Anakin is nothing more than an excuse by fanboys to believe that Anakin was naturally inclined toward evil. Apparently, the idea of an innocent boy becoming a ruthless and feared Sith Lord is too hard to stomach.
  Fish1941
date Posted: May 24, 2006 1:33 PM
And there are other factors that are . . . oh God!

Palpatine was responsible for Anakin's dreams?
  Fish1941
date Posted: Sep 25, 2006 11:00 AM
I just got done reading Revenge of the Sith by Stover & I think I can help answer your questions. Yes, Palpatine did create Anakin. Wish it were not true, but it is! Aside from the book, I believe Lucas stated this also in one of those documentaries.

GL had made it clear that there is no true answer to this question. He has stated that it was up to the individual to decide whether Anakin was created by the Sith or not. After watching ROTS, I'm still wondering how this rumor came about in the first place.
  Fish1941
date Posted: Sep 25, 2006 11:02 AM
Qui-Gon was likely the first Jedi Anakin had met, and an element of hero worship was at play. But Qui-Gon saw Anakin as the Chosen One, again not as a 'son'.

How do you know this is true? What if Qui-Gon had develop fatherly feelings toward Anakin? He seemed to in his behavior toward the boy.
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