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Smugglers Rants
date posted: Nov 08, 2006 10:42 AM
"His compassion for you will be his undoing..."
"He will come to me?"
"I have forseen it. His compassion for you will be his undoing. He will come to you, then you will bring him before me."
"As you wish."

Yoda and Obi-Wan Kenobi both warned Luke against the persuasive words of the Sith. And yet, close examination shows that often times the 'bad guys' told the truth, and it was the 'heroes' who told tales slanted from 'a certain point of view', and never was this more evident than in Return of the Jedi.

Luke Skywalker has returned to Dagobah to find Master Yoda gravely ill. Finally, after a year of waiting Luke has confirmed the truth - Anakin Skywalker is not dead but lives under the protective shell of Darth Vader.
Alarm bells clearly ring in the young Jedi's mind. Vader was telling the truth on the Bespin gantry. And, just as he had promised Padme so many years before, his offer to rule the galaxy side by side was likely a genuine one.
After all, Anakin is a 'bad guy', so he's probably telling the truth.

Luke learns more. He is a twin, and his sister is one of his closest friends, Leia Organa. And what's more, Kenobi is still insistent upon Luke destroying Anakin.
And perhaps it is here that the starkest differences between Ben and Luke become clear.

Ben Kenobi sees only Darth Vader. The darkness that consumed his Padawan. The man who had cut him down four years before on the Death Star. The black armoured holder of all his secret shame. Kenobi cannot, or refuses to get past the fact that Anakin lives. "He's more machine now than man. Twisted and evil." He didn't finish him off, and the galaxy suffered for it, and he suffered just as much.

But Luke sees otherwise. He has finally found the father he never had. Owen Lars was a guardian, and Luke clearly saw Kenobi as a father figure, but here was the real thing. The suit didn't hold Darth Vader, it was Anakin Skywalker, hero of the Jedi, a man who simply took a wrong turn. Luke is operating on limited knowledge - after all, most of his information comes from a man who told him his father was "killed by a young Jedi named Darth Vader". But here we see that where Ben couldn't let go of his own bitterness, anger and hate, Luke's fell away like a veil to reveal his own deep compassion.
And the reason why he truly was one of the wisest of all Jedi.

But scroll back to the first lines of this blog. On the Death Star Palpatine informs Vader of his thoughts, the most revealing of which states that Luke's compassion for his father will bring him to Palpatiine and...what? His destruction? His turn to the dark side?

Let's run another thought through. Vader knew three things. First, that he wasn't the Jedi he should have been. He knew it before he turned to the dark side, but from a physical and power point of view the Mustafar battle weakened him. The Darth Vader that Palpatine desired was the one who murdered the Sepratist leaders on Mustafar, not the one assembled in a Coruscant medical centre after his immolation at the hands of Kenobi.
Second, Vader knew the Sith. Once he knew the existence of his son, he also knew that his master had lied to him during his first moments as the armoured Vader. Padme couldn't have died by his hand, as he had been told. She had given birth to a son after he had force choked her. She had lived. His master had lied to him, and ever since his obsession with finding Young Skywalker had begun he once again knew that Palpatines deceit ran deep.
And thirdly, Anakin had seen this pattern before. Palpatine had lost Darth Maul to Obi-Wan, and sacrificed Dooku to gain Anakin. Now, almost a quarter of a century later it was Anakin's turn to be replaced by a younger, fresher apprentice. To bring Luke to Palpatine meant one of three things - the death of his son, the death of his master or his own demise.
And perhaps Palpatine's words - "His compassion for you" -flicked a switch in Vaders mind.

But how come Palpatine sensed the compassion in Luke, when neither Yoda or Kenobi could?
It could be argued that the Sith are ruled by passion, whereas the Jedi are ruled by strict emotional restrictions. Not to love, not to be attatched. Anakin couldn't live this way, and broke countless rules by loving and marrying Padme. Luke clearly held the same feelings for his father, the belief that he could be returned to goodness.
Let's not forget, in this post-prequel age it is clearer than ever that the Jedi referred to in Return of the Jedi isn't Luke, or the Jedi Order but Anakin Skywalker himself.

In conclusion, Palpatine forsaw the exact thing that led to his own destruction. A young Skywalker, full of passion and compassion, faced with a choice. Only this time, unlike Anakin's decision to turn on his master Mace Windu and side with Palpatine, this Skywalker makes the right choice and throws away his weapon, choosing death before the dark side.
Perhaps at that moment Anakin sees the Jedi he should have become and, during a life of servitude to Watto, the Jedi and the Sith, makes a free choice.
And proves that Luke's faith in his father - in The Chosen One - was well placed.




JawaJoey
Return of the Jawa
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 11:19 AM
Interesting.

But Palpatine wasn't the only one who saw the compassion in Luke. Obi Wan and Yoda knew it too. Luke directly told Obi Wan that "he can't kill his own father." Yoda, Obi Wan, and Palpatine all thought that that conviction would be a fatal flaw. Obi Wan's own response is "Then the Emperor has already won," and the emperor himself obviously thinks that the compassion is a weakness that will destroy him.

They ALL knew Luke was being compassionate about his father. And they ALL thought that it was a mistake. But it was the exact opposite, and Luke was the only one who knew it all along.
janlomona
Smugglers Rants
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 11:32 AM
Fair comment, and I agree, Luke was the only one who realised (but not until Jedi). But Yoda and Ben had had 23 years to plan this, and yet all they could do was to persuade Luke to kill Vader. The line you quote - "Then the Emperor has already won" bears this out. Compassion is not part of Kenobi's game plan. He's asked Luke to murder his won father, without emotion. The compassion is seen by palpatine, who views it as a weakness, but is roundly dismissed by Yoda dn especially Ben.
Sure, they see it, but they only seem to be able to instruct Luke to defeat and kill Vader, never to redeem him, because for their own reasons they think Anakin is beyond saving. Luke thinks otherwise.
janlomona
Smugglers Rants
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 11:34 AM
Good point though, they all see his compassion, even Palpatine. Luckily it's Vader who feels it most keenly, which leads to him throwing Palpatine down the reactor shaft.
  gallandro77
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 11:42 AM
one thing that palpatine didnt take into account was anakin making the right choice
  Kenobi-fan
The Jundland Wastes Journal
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 12:02 PM
Palpatine was obviously hoping that Luke's fear at losing his father (or his sister) would push Luke into the same emotionally charged area as Anakin - forcing him to act before thinking of the consequences. It didn't. Luke had something Anakin didn't: faith in his friends. Though Palps is dimissive of Luke in this manner, he fails to understand just what it means to have that kind of support. Palps (and the Sith) believe in self-sufficiency - if you can't make it on your own, you should die...

  Kenobi-fan
The Jundland Wastes Journal
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 12:03 PM
...Even though Yoda and Ben (and for that matter Jinn) don't have the understanding Luke does, they still have faith in his choices - no one tries to stop Luke in any concrete way. Add to that Han's, Leia's, and the Rebellion's faith in young Skywalker, giving Luke more power and strength than the Emperor could possibly imagine - not even Sith Lightning could stay could penetrate such protection.
  jedirache15
The will is mine!
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 1:24 PM
That was really good. You put a lot of thought into it. Good work.
The Stooge
Star Wars Joke-A-Day
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 2:36 PM
Luke is operating on limited knowledge - after all, most of his information comes from a man who told him his father was "killed by a young Jedi named Darth Vader".

That's a great idea... that Old Ben actually told Luke the truth, even though he himself thought that it was only from "a certain point of view." Kenobi's half-lies were what sparked Luke to realize that his father and Darth Vader are two separate entities! Wicked brilliant!

Maybe Obi-Wan even knew it deep down...
JediMelindaWolf
Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 3:07 PM
I enjoyed your musings. :)

I agree with our fellow bloggers here - that Palpatine was not the only one to realize Luke's feelings for his father. Palpatine just chose to use those feelings against our young hero. There was a depth to Luke's strength, too, that Palpatine could not begin to comprehend/grasp (as K-fan pointed out).

Let's not forget, in this post-prequel age it is clearer than ever that the Jedi referred to in Return of the Jedi isn't Luke, or the Jedi Order but Anakin Skywalker himself.

If you're interested, I invite you to read my first blog that dealt with this topic:

http://blogs.starwars.com/2BAJedi/1

Thanks for sharing!
MTFBWY :)
  Tar_Ranth
Bounty Hunters Pride - the ramblings of Louis Turfrey
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 4:34 PM
There is a point that hasn't been brought up - maybe Obi Wain and Yoda were counting on Luke's compassion. Could it have been a double bluff? Yoda knows enough about the Force to see what might happen. Could it be he see's Luke being saved by Vader (now once again Anakin)?

Luke is clearly more mature in his attitude, yet still maintains some of that stubborn nature we see in A New Hope, and that is strengthened by his faith in his friends. Could it be that in telling Luke that he needs to kill Vader, they are simply Forcing him away from that path - and into the path of a true Jedi?

  Tar_Ranth
Bounty Hunters Pride - the ramblings of Louis Turfrey
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 4:34 PM
I find it hard to fathom that Kenobi, now a part of the Force itself, is unable to see what might happen. He might have been bitter and devestated as a human - but as a part of the Force you would expect him to be more thoughtful, less prone to rash decisions.
MissPadme
Miss Padme's Naboo Love Nest
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 8:39 PM
Awesome post!
janlomona
Smugglers Rants
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 11:26 PM
Thanks for the replies guys, appreciate it.
Stooge (my maaaan!) I like your take on my own comment, that Ben told Luke the truth from a certain point of view, sparking not only Luke's quest but maybe Ben's own journey as well. Very cool. Very deep.
JediMelinda - True, Ben and Yoda must have realised that Luke's emotions had turned from confrontation and revenge for his fathers death into something very different. Probably anxiety, as knowing that Anakin and Vader were one and the same confirmed something else entirely - that Ben in A New Hope and Yoda in Empire were distorting the truth to Luke about his fathers fate, and it took Vaderkins himself to reveal it.
janlomona
Smugglers Rants
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 11:31 PM
Also, they clearly must have feared history repeating itself, because when you look at it Revenge of the Sith and Return of the Jedi are the 2 episodes that mirror each other the most. A young Skywalker, faced with a huge choice, being swayed by external events (Anakin the fate of Padme, Luke the fate of his friends and family), but in Jedi our young hero makes the right choice, and that spurs Vader on to return to the Jedi.
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janlomona
Smugglers Rants
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 11:36 PM
Kenobi-Fan, you make a great point, Palpatine goaded Luke for having faith in his friends, and lured him into combat using that line, but as you say they came through for him, lightened the load (even though Luke seemed quite prepared to die on the Death Star "Soon I'll be dead, and you with me" - was Luke seeing the future, or was it bravado?). Vader would be taking all of this in, and Luke's noble actions would only add to Anakin's decisionm to ultimately turn.
janlomona
Smugglers Rants
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 11:37 PM
Tar_Ranth (top Setnin Radio bro) I don't think Yoda could forsee things with such clarity ("Always in motion is the future"), and as a part of the Force or as a living entity, Ben was always going to be the same man. At his core he remains unchanged, and becoming one with the Force only gives him time to ponder the choices he made.
And the Jedi Order under Yoda's stewardship and the new Jedi Order under Luke were different beasts entirely. I would imagine Luke's as being more like Qui-Gon intended, not as rigid and stuck in the past, but respectful of its origins.
padmeskywalker77
Padme's Legacy
date Posted: Nov 09, 2006 6:07 AM
I posted an entry a couple of weeks ago by this exact title, looking at the same line in ROTJ...this is just too weird. Anyway, I argued more along the lines of compassion and unconditional love being two things that should not be underestimated or undervalued. You take this line and scene to a completely different level...one I truly enjoyed reading. I really do not have anything to add here...I just wanted to let you know that I enjoyed reading your take on this scene.

Great job!! :)
janlomona
Smugglers Rants
date Posted: Nov 09, 2006 8:32 AM
Just read your blog entry Padme, how wierd that we both decide to pick the same subject. There was another blog put on jst a few hours before mine that addressed the same subject, to equal effect. It's always the great thing about Star Wars, that 2,3 or more people can take a line like that and come up with similar but essentially different takes on it.
Thats the magic of these films, we'll always be talking about them.
padmeskywalker77
Padme's Legacy
date Posted: Nov 09, 2006 3:06 PM
It's always the great thing about Star Wars, that 2,3 or more people can take a line like that and come up with similar but essentially different takes on it.
Thats the magic of these films, we'll always be talking about them.


How true...how true. :) I will be sure to check out your comments to my entry when I get home from work in the morning (not much time now)!!
  Oboe-Wan
Oboe-Wan's Hive of Scum & Villainy
date Posted: Nov 13, 2006 11:37 AM
Sorry I wandered over here a few days late, but at least I made it! :p


I always felt like Palpatine threw around the word "compassion" like it was some sort of affliction, or used it as an insult. He was banking on Luke being naive enough to "see" his father instead of Vader, right? Ben & Yoda definitely worried about the same thing...

So in weird backwards Jedi/Sith world where everyone has mustaches... Palps sees compassion as a "good" thing to help him gain his new apprentice while Ben & Yoda see it as a "bad" thing because Anakin might reawaken. Whoa.

  Oboe-Wan
Oboe-Wan's Hive of Scum & Villainy
date Posted: Nov 13, 2006 11:38 AM
was Luke seeing the future, or was it bravado?
a little bit of both... he probably couldn't see the exact future as he knew the death star would be destroyed but couldn't see what happened to him or his father, and bravado because isn't it fun to goad a dark lord of the sith?! C'mon, we've all done it.... Thanksgiving is the best time of year to engage the Siths in verbal combat. ;)
janlomona
Smugglers Rants
date Posted: Nov 13, 2006 11:49 AM
Love that take on it, the reverse opinion of compassion in regards to Jedi and Sith.
The Jedi have had to almost become the Sith, from a group of thousands to just 2, Yoda and Luke - "A Master, and an Apprentice" as Yoda himself once said. In many respects they have had to become like the Sith were for a thousand years - covert, secretive and undercover. And Luke's compasison could blow their 2 decade plan to the winds.
Always good to see you here Oboe!
Oh, I got an unexpected name check on Club Jade - how cool is that!
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