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From the Desk of Ghent
by: Ghent
date posted: May 31, 2005 1:11 AM  | 
updated: Jun 07, 2005 12:13 AM
SW Exegesis: Why doesn't Obi-Wan remember Artoo?
With millions of fans having seen Revenge of the Sith, and now having had time to watch the classic trilogy again since, I've been bombarded by family, friends, co-workers, and reporters with questions about the ties between trilogies. Most commonly, the well-meaning person thinks they've come up with a brand new "plot hole" that blows apart the credibility of the saga.

I'm thrilled how Episode III has people thinking about all six movies, but there are a few questions that are worth answering here to save myself some time in the long run. Here's the first of what may become a series.

(Note: The views below are Ghent's only.)

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Why doesn't Obi-Wan remember R2-D2?

One easy answer is simply that Obi-Wan just doesn't. Astromech droids are extremely common, it was 18 years ago and it was Anakin's droid. Would you recognize all of your 1987 roommate's appliances if you saw them today?

However, given the specific exchanges between Obi-Wan and Artoo in Episode III, that answer isn't very satisfying to me. I've always assumed that Obi-Wan recognizes exactly who Artoo is. Let's talk though Old Ben's exchange...

"Hello there! Come here, my little friend. Don't be afraid."
Look at Obi-Wan's eyes... there's recognition there, followed by a quick assembly of the puzzle. The son of Anakin that he's been watching over is out where he shouldn't be, and Anakin's droid is standing hiding in the rocks. Whatever is happening is clearly serious, but it probably means that his time of hiding is over, and that makes him a little happy.

"Hello there!" in a gleeful voice... the same one Kenobi uses to taunt General Grievous. "Little friend" is literal... "good to see you!"

"Don't seem to remember ever owning a droid. Very interesting."
Of course, clever fans want to jump on this as a big contradiction since Obi-Wan clearly had droids in his prequel starfighters. Remember, though, that Ben is dealing strictly in the land of "point of view" here, trying to keep the "Darth Vader is your father" secret as best he can.

"Well of course I remember this little guy. He belonged to your mom and then she gave him to your dad until that day I left him for dead!" wasn't going to cut it.

This response is to Luke's statement, "He claims to be the property of an Obi-Wan Kenobi." After first shuffling around with some nonsense about his old name (yes, Yoda calls him Obi-Wan after Luke's birth... let's stay on target here people), Ben is the master of not technically lying.

Artoo was always the servant of Padme or Anakin... never Obi-Wan. Perfect! A simple, "This droid never belonged to me," would have been the truth and accomplished the same thing... but Ben pushes a little further.

But what about R4-P17? Obi-Wan's poor Clone Wars companion suffers off-screen humiliation on Geonosis and eventually has his head cut off at the hand of buzz droids, and that loyalty is repaid with Kenobi denying ever owning any droid ever. (Not to mention, the slight to Hyperspace members who voted for R4-G9's color scheme.)

Here, it's important to recall that the Jedi were firmly forbidden from having possessions or attachments of any kind. They would have thought of starfighters and droids as assets of the Republic. An Air Force pilot wouldn't claim to have owned an F-16, and I would not claim to have owned a photocopier.

"Now, let's see if we can't figure out what you are, my little friend. And where you come from."
This statement might be the best support for the "Obi doesn't remember R2" position, but again I like to think there are shades of subtext here.

At the most straight-forward level, it's easy to imagine that Obi-Wan is thinking, "I left you on an Alderaan cruiser near Anakin's other offspring. What have you been doing since then? What are you doing here?"

Recall that this line is said immediately after the entire convoluted "Vader killed your father" story. Artoo was there for the events described and knows full well that Obi-Wan is stretching the truth beyond anything a droid would be comfortable with.

What if Obi-Wan's abrupt change of subject here is his way of saying to Artoo, "I know that you know that I'm not telling him everything, but keep your mouth shut like we planned"?

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So, it's up to you to judge... either Artoo has the kind of generic appliance face that Obi-Wan doesn't remember, or the old Jedi knows exactly who he's dealing with and we have some rich subtext going on.

Either way... this isn't a plot hole to sink the saga. B-)

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CONTINUED IN: SW Exegesis: Why wasn't Leia a "Hope"?

  orion1974
jabba"s #1 FAN
date Posted: Jun 18, 2005 12:12 PM
maybe OBI WAN does remember R2-D2, but in order to destroy the EMPIRE, he needs to keep the secret about ANAKIN's "death".

And I don't know if all the EXPANDED UNIVERSE counts for something here, because according to that ,the DROIDS were kidnapped by space pirates and have the memory erased and then rescued by the ALDERAAN cruiser.
  yedisan
date Posted: Jun 23, 2005 1:38 PM
But Ben never said that he have no memmory abut R2D2.!Of course he rememebers this droid.
He just said that R2D2 was newer his property.That is absolut true!
Ben was surprised about constatation of R2D2 that one is his property.That implied
importance of this contatct that this little droid atempted!

This is my point of view of course.


  Lord DeAmon
date Posted: Jun 26, 2005 7:25 PM
Better yet,how come C-3PO does not realize that his new owner LUKE...is the son of his creator when 3P0 knows they have the same last name...I haven't seen Episode3 yet,so I hope the awnser lies in there somewhere!!
  Qui-Gon138
Random Things
date Posted: Jun 29, 2005 4:40 AM
I personally think Obi-Wan is putting the pieces together, especially when he sees Threepio - but he can't say anything to Artoo, of course, because Luke is there.

Just wanted to clarify something, also - in the movie, Yoda doesn't call Obi-Wan by his name after Luke's birth, he just calls him "Master Kenobi." Padme calls him Obi-Wan, but in such an emotional situation, it would be easy for Obi-Wan to forget that she called him that.
  Qui-Gon138
Random Things
date Posted: Jun 29, 2005 4:43 AM
Also, I'm not sure if Artoo even knows that Anakin turned to the dark side and became Vader. He flies with Anakin to Mustafar, but stays with the ships throughout the confrontation between Anakin, Padme and Obi-Wan, and as far as we know, he doesn't see any of the Duel, so he doesn't really know what happened. He is present for the birth of Luke and Leia, though, so he does know they're twins. It's nice now that he lets out a little beep when Obi-Wan hands Luke Anakin's lightsaber, though - he clearly recognises it!
  DarthBoogrpickr
date Posted: Jun 29, 2005 4:53 PM
i dont know but i always thought that c-3P0 and R2-D2 got there memory erased after they started serving the rebels
  EthnVaderPhaser
date Posted: Jun 30, 2005 8:07 PM

This so called "rich subtext" is a corny explanation for all the inconsistencies George Lucas has managed to create between the PT and the OT. This same explanation has been used to explain the whole Vader Palpatine scene (Vader pretends not to remember Luke).... Beru pretends that Anakin was her real brother and tells Luke that his father grew up on the farm (some how Obi-Wan is in cahoots with Owen and Beru and confirms this exact same story to Luke, even though he is not on speaking terms with the Larr's family).... Obi-Wan pretends not to recognize R2-D2. Need I say more.
  frost_jedi
date Posted: Jul 03, 2005 10:59 AM
"Artoo, are you all right? What is going on?"
NOBODY TELLS ME ANYTHING.
"Of course not. You don't keep up your end of the conversation."
SOMETHING'S WRONG. THE FACTORS DON'T BALANCE.
"I think he's saying something about a rebellion;that the Jedi have tried to overthrow the Republic! And oh, my goodness. Mace Windu has tried to assassinate Chancellor Palpatine! Can he be serious?"
I DON'T KNOW. ANAKIN DOESN'T TALK TO ME ANYMORE.
"I've been hearing the most awful rumors they're saying the government is going to banish us banish droids, can you imagine?"
DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU HEAR.
"Shh. Not so loud!"
  frost_jedi
date Posted: Jul 04, 2005 4:10 AM
Some lines from the novel, between 3po and R2. I know it's EU, but if you look at the scene in the movie you'll actually hear 3po saying "shh, not so loud", and it is based on the script (maybe their dialogue was cut short). I think the most important lines are "nobody tells me anything" and "Anakin doesn't talk to me anymore", both said (or beeped) by Artoo. That leads us to think that he doesn't know what happens to Ani in the final battle, since Obi will probably not tell him.
Also Artoo has been with Obi and Ani for three years in the Clone Wars, so after Ani "dies" or whatever he belives happens to him, it would be only natural for him to assume that Obi will be his new master from that moment on.
  ami-padme
a-p's Hovel
date Posted: Aug 30, 2005 7:04 AM

I've always thought that Obi-Wan recognized the droids. I mean, they both show up with Luke, bearing a message from Leia?! He definitely knows what's going on. That he mentions none of it to anyone is perfectly in character for Mr. "Certain POV"!

  Darius, Lord Of The Sith
Thoughts From Darius
date Posted: Sep 01, 2005 12:12 AM
I don't see any problems here... this is how I have looked at it... if your roomate in New York in 1980 sold his Camaro to a guy in Florida and then your roomate's son showed up at your new apartment in Arizona 25 years later driving a Camaro, would you automatically assume it was the same car? Probably not. You might think "hey, that looks like his dad's old Camaro" and you might even say that to the kid... but you might back off on that statement if the kid's dad was Darth Vader and they kid had no clue about that fact...
  Darius, Lord Of The Sith
Thoughts From Darius
date Posted: Sep 01, 2005 12:15 AM
... additionally, Obi Wan knew that some day somebody would come get him, but why would he think it would be the droids? He wasn't expecting R2-D2 and C-3PO to show up on his doorstep. In fact, it was the princess' job to get him, not the droids, so I don't think there's any reason that, 20 years later, he should expet to bump into Luke walking around with Anakin's droids... we can see he is confused about the whole deal, until he sees the message that R2 is carrying.
  KungPowChicken
date Posted: Oct 07, 2005 9:08 PM
bail ask captain antilles to wipe the droids memoryies at the end of rotj, resulting in them not remebering these stories, the part about r2 belonging to obiwan is that leia probably told him to say that
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