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From the Desk of Ghent
by: Ghent
date posted: Jun 07, 2005 12:11 AM  | 
updated: Jun 10, 2005 12:19 AM
SW Exegesis: Why wasn't Leia a "Hope"?
Continuing my extremely slow Star Wars exegesis series, today I examine the questions that arise from Obi-Wan's famous line in The Empire Strikes Back as Luke flies away from Dagobah, "That boy is our last hope."

Of course, Yoda replies, "No, there is another."

This exchange has caused consternation among some fans, who wonder if Ben somehow didn't know about Leia, or why exactly she wasn't a hope?

Unfortunately, this can't even be discredited as a simple slip of the tongue or lapse in memory, since Obi-Wan repeats in ROTJ to Luke, "You were our only hope." Obi-Wan clearly believes in Luke alone as "hope", despite Yoda's reminder and support of Leia.

Didn't Know?
Since Ben is the one who tells Luke about Leia, ROTJ alone should be enough to dissuade any "Ben doesn't know about Leia" silliness. Episode III lets me not even address it. If you're hung up on this point, there's nothing I can do for you.

Dismissed at Birth?
Is Obi-Wan simply a chauvinist? Luke is hope because he's a boy, Leia is inconsequential because she's a girl? Let's look at Obi-Wan's statement later in the same ROTJ exchange...

"The Emperor knew, AS I DID, if Anakin were to have ANY OFFSPRING, THEY would be a threat to him (Anakin). That is the reason why your sister remains safely anonymous."

This is plural and inclusive language. At the time of their birth, Obi-Wan foresaw that both twins were an equal threat to Anakin. This would seem to preclude a sexist attitude. So, something has happened between the twins birth and Ben's death to shift his hopes from both siblings over to Luke.

What is Hope?
Perhaps we should look at what Obi-Wan and Yoda were hoping Luke (or Leia) would do? Is their disagreement a matter of mere semantics over the word "hope"?

As Luke is leaving Dagobah in ESB, Obi-Wan leaves no clues, but his conversation with Luke in ROTJ is very single-minded in what he wants Luke to do.

LUKE: I can't do it, Ben.
BEN: You cannot escape your destiny. You must face Darth Vader again.
LUKE: I can't kill my own father.
BEN: Then the Emperor has already won. You were our only hope.

The death of Vader is Obi-Wan's objective. To finish what he started on Mustafar. A failure that has haunted him for 18 years... and aged him 30 years. ;)

In the Dagobah conversation, Yoda appears to agree with Obi-Wan. Yoda warns, "Only a fully trained Jedi Knight with the Force as his ally will conquer Vader and his Emperor." Hmm... is conquer the same as kill?

Interestingly, on Yoda's death bed, he makes no reference to killing Vader. He tells Luke, "One thing remains: Vader. You must confront Vader. Only then, a Jedi will you be." Yoda does not make killing Vader a goal, just confrontation. You'd think if Vader's death was the most important goal for the galaxy, Yoda would mention it.

Yoda does leave a dying command... "Luke, the Force runs strong in your family. Pass on what you have learned." Interesting... the most important thing is to pass on what he learned, not kill Vader.

Is it possible that Obi-Wan has a short-sighted view of "hope" (the death of Vader), while Yoda's "hope" is the long-term continuation of the Jedi legacy? Leia's knowledge and ability in the Force at the time of ROTJ certainly wasn't enough to kill Vader, like Luke's. So Obi-Wan may have been right, "from a certain point of view". Meanwhile, the continuation of the Jedi legacy could certainly have happened through Leia.

Conclusions
What do we know for sure? Obi-Wan and Yoda's opinion of Leia's status as a "hope" differed. This difference was one of opinion, not sexism or a lack of knowledge.

There are plenty of possible reasons Obi-Wan may have favored Luke... his familiarity with Luke and unfamiliarity with Leia creating a bias, Luke's level of training vs. Leia's, evidence of differing gifts as the twins developed, secret midichlorian tests, or maybe just a difference in what was being hoped for as discussed above. There simply isn't enough evidence to know for sure.

Since there's no stretch of logic (if I do say so myself) for this line to make sense, this is no plot hole.

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Before I go... one last observation: Notice how Obi-Wan completely ignored Padme's dying words, "Obi-Wan, there is good in him," even when her son repeated those very same words in ROTJ, "There is still good in him."

Obi-Wan (and possibly Yoda) never understood that redeeming an evil man would be more powerful than destroying him.

Just as the Jedi had such a clear idea of what they thought the Chosen One would be, Ben and Yoda seem to have a clear expectation of what the "Hope" would do. All of the prophesies came true, but because the Jedi's preconceived notions limited their minds how the prophesy would look, the galaxy suffered a lot of avoidable pain. That's interesting to me.

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CONTINUED IN: SW Exegesis: Why didn't Owen recognize C-3PO?

  CharybdisXV
date Posted: Jun 17, 2005 2:05 AM
I really enjoy reading your blog. It's super informative, and has given me a lot to think about.

I had one comment, in regards to Yoda and Obi-Wan's conversation about their last hope.. I think when Yoda said, "No, there is another," he was actually referencing Vader, and that there was a chance Vader could still be reached and redeem himself. I base this off of Yoda not having the goal to kill Vader, but instead "conquer". And, Vader was very key in fulfilling their thoughts of hope, in the end.
  dvader0571
Anakin Brings Balance to the Force
date Posted: Jun 17, 2005 1:48 PM
Yes, very good. I think Obi Wan had both goals in mind, his and Yodas. To kill Vader yes, but remember they were friends too and he believes in the continuation of the Jedi training. So "Hope" to both would definitely be passing on the jedi training.

However, killing of Vader is still interesting as if Obi Wan had trouble doing it as a friend how could he imagine Luke would be able to do it as a son. It is possible they both (obi and yoda) knew that turning vader back was the necessary thing to do, but death of vader if turning did not work. Same thing Vader and the Emperor hoped for Luke, to turn or be killed.
Darth Mojo
date Posted: Jun 17, 2005 6:14 PM
Possibly what they meant as Luke being the "last hope" is that if he failed and was killed by the emperor and Vader, then who would train Leia? Obi-wan is dead at this point and has no way to reach leia, luke would have been destroyed by Vader and/or the Emperor and how would or could Leia be brought to Yoda for training? She would have no one to guide her.
  Darth-Vadr
date Posted: Jun 18, 2005 2:04 PM
As a female, this always bothered me when I was younger. Luke is the "hope", and Leia a mere sidebar in Obi-wan's view. The musings on this blog and subsequent comments have seemed to make more sense than I have heard in years of this endless male/female Star Wars fan arguement. I personally agree with Darth Mojo, that if Luke were dead Leia would have had no training and could have (once Vader presumably learned he had offspring) been turned to the Darkside or killed. So the hope rested on Luke's shoulders being trained and Leia not even knowing at that point that she was Vader's daughter.

If the light ones occasionally dwell in darkness, then the reverse is also just as true.
  missanakinskywalker2005
date Posted: Jun 18, 2005 7:34 PM
I think that Obi-Wan told Like that he was the "last hope" because like Darth Mojo wrote, if Luke were to die, no Jedi would remain to train Leia as a Jedi. (I hope you have all seen Episode III).... since the Jedi "disappeared," (key word for people who have not seen it) Luke and Leia were the last Jedi because of them being separated at birth and being protected from Vader and the Sith. I do not believe Obi-Wan was favoring Luke as a male. I just think he was speaking the truth because Luke needed to know to be careful. I hope some of this was helpful. ?:|
  jeditee
The Jedi Diaries
date Posted: Jun 18, 2005 8:00 PM
Hi, Ghent!

This is a very interesting entry. I appreciate your neutrality in presenting both POVs. Quite an eye-opening analysis. Thank you for sharing.

Very truly yours,
-Tee:)
  YodasFanInBrooklyn
date Posted: Jun 27, 2005 11:10 AM
Here is a more politic possibility: It seems that although politicians and Jedi will be polite to each other, and help each other out, they are very different. Although Bail Organa is a highly regarded politician, he is still a public figure, and presumably Leia will be as well. Ben probably just wrote her off, because once she was immersed into the political world, it would be extremely difficult to extract her for jedi training.
  Whitestar19
Episode VII - A New Darkness
date Posted: Jul 29, 2005 4:24 PM
Responding to an old blog, I know...

But after ROTS, and after reading your comments, here is my opinion: although he does not mention it, Obi-wan still harbors some hope that Anakin can be saved, specifically because Padme said so herself, and because deep down he really wants to believe it himself. In his attachment to Anakin, which prevented him from killing Vader, he really screwed the galaxy's pooch. If Vader could never be made to fulfill the prophecy and get rid of the Emperor at some point, then a lot of the Galaxy's pain and suffering is on Obi-wan's head. It was not only Anakin who let love blind him and change his actions.
  Whitestar19
Episode VII - A New Darkness
date Posted: Jul 29, 2005 4:33 PM
So there are 2 children who could possibly weaken Sidious's hold over Vader. But Leia is too much like Padme - too headstrong and aware of her leadership responsibilities, in some cases, for her own good. She would probably be unable to fully commit to saving Anakin like Luke did at the end, refusing to kill Vader and offering up his life in a last attempt to save his father. The political leader in Leia would be burdened by the knowledge that she had the ability to kill Vader, and would have had to do it without saving him, because she would see anything else as shirking the needs of everyone else outside her family.
  Whitestar19
Episode VII - A New Darkness
date Posted: Jul 29, 2005 4:36 PM
Knowing this, Obi-wan probably understands that the only hope for saving Anakin (and therefore wiping away his 25 years of bad karma) is Luke. Luke is certainly committed to the rebellion, but in a more detached, Old-Republic-Jedi way. Because of his emotional detachment, he would be free to follow a more intuitive path to redeeming his father (and therefore Obi-wan), even if it meant risking losing everything. Either could kill Vader, but only Luke could probably save him.
  Darth Exucphra
date Posted: Aug 07, 2005 4:06 AM
Luke was their last hope as he resembled anakin he was good at repairng stuff he lived on tatooine and he did not have an easy life he probably thought leia was spoilt
  ami-padme
a-p's Hovel
date Posted: Aug 30, 2005 6:59 AM

Just found this because you're the Blog of the Day -- this was very interesting and well thought out. I especially agree with this:


All of the prophesies came true, but because the Jedi's preconceived notions limited their minds how the prophesy would look, the galaxy suffered a lot of avoidable pain.


Anyway, great post! :)
  Jedi Comedian
Blog Cheese
date Posted: Sep 20, 2005 9:28 AM
I have one quick thought. There's an extract from the Journal of the Whills which contains part of the Prophecy of the Chosen One. It reads:

"... And in the time of greatest
despair there shall come a savior,
and he shall be known as:
THE SON OF THE SUNS."
Journal of the Whills, 3:127


Now whether this is in-continuity or not is up for debate (I myself am unsure of the source), but it suggests that the Chosen One is Male, and from Tatooine (twin suns and all). Could the answer be that Obi-Wan simply thought Luke was the One? Either Anakin or Luke could have met the criteria of the prophecy, but not Leia.

Or maybe I'm just reading too much into this.
  KungPowChicken
date Posted: Oct 07, 2005 9:14 PM
I Think he meant that if luke didn't confront vader, leia would never receive jedi training, not realising that she was strong in the forse, therefore, leia was not viable hope yet, just a politician and you know obiwans views on them "they are not to be trusted"
  Ello137
Apocalypse Later
date Posted: Apr 20, 2006 5:56 PM
Obi-Wan (and possibly Yoda) never understood that redeeming an evil man would be more powerful than destroying him.


Well, it all goes back to the post-Ruusaan ossification of the Jedi order, although it really goes back to just after the Great Hyperspace war, where the PR results of fighting fallen Jedi meant that the Jedi were suddenly tied to the Republic . . . which created a martial mindset . . . god, I've meant to do a blog on this for so long.
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