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 Who knows that Anakin Skywalker became Darth Vader and that Luke and Leia are his twin children? And when?
22 BBY
R2-D2, C-3PO and the Naboo holy man - know Anakin and Padmé are married [AOTC]
<19 BBY
Panaka - knows about Padmé and Anakin's marriage and later tells Palpatine [ROTSVD]
19 BBY
Obi-Wan, Yoda, R2-D2 - know all [ROTS]
C-3PO - knows all but then his memory is wiped [ROTS]
Emperor Palpatine, Darth Vader - know all except that the twins are alive [ROTS]
Bail Organa - knows about Padmé and the twins being born and that Anakin is the father [ROTS]
Polis Massans and medical droids - know about Padmé giving birth to twins [ROTS]
Some of Palpatine's Shock Troopers, droids at the surgical reconstruction facility - know Anakin becomes Vader [ROTS]
Qui-Gon Jinn's spirt - knows all [ROTS]
18 BBY
Bail Organa - Convinced that Vader is Anakin which he tells Raymus Antilles [DL]
Roan Shyrn - Learns Vader's identity
0 ABY
Vader - learns Luke is alive [VQ]
3 ABY
Luke - learns Vader is his father [ESB]
Prince Xizor - Already knows that Vader is Skywalker and figures out that Luke is his son [SOTE]
4 ABY
Leia - confirms that Luke is her brother and learns that Vader is their father
Han - Leia tells Han that Luke is her brother [RJ]
4.2 ABY
Luke tells Shiro and Lumiya that Darth Vader was his father. [MCSW]
<4.5 ABY
Mon Mothma, Jan Ors, Kyle Katarn - know that Luke and Leia are siblings. [DFRA][DFJK]
10 ABY
Noghri - realize that Leia is Vader's daughter [HE]
11 ABY
Corran Horn and other students at the Jedi academy - learn that Luke and Leia are Vader's children [IJ]
16 ABY
New Republic politicians - In the wake of the revelation of Luke and Leia's Darth Vader ancestry, Senator Peramis brings up the issue during a debate over the 5th Fleet. [BS, EC2]
SOURCE CODE KEY
AOTC Attack of the Clones
BS Before the Storm
DFJK Dark Forces III: Jedi Knight graphic novel
DFRA Dark Forces II: Rebel Agent graphic novel
DL Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader
EC2 The New Essential Chronology
ESB The Empire Strikes Back
HE Heir to the Empire novel
IJ I, Jedi novel
MCSW Marvel Comics Star Wars
RJ Return of the Jedi
ROTS Revenge of the Sith
ROTSVD Revenge of the Sith Visual Dictionary
SOTE Shadows of the Empire novel
VQ Vad er's Quest comic
And so the list grows... Thank you for everyone who sent in comments, especially those with page numbers. Keep 'em coming!
QUOTES TO PONDER:
VADER: He is here...
TARKIN: Obi-Wan Kenobi! What makes you think so?
VADER: A tremor in the Force. The last time I felt it was in the presence of my old master.
AUNT BERU: Luke's just not a farmer, Owen. He has too much of his father in him.
OWEN: That's what I'm afraid of.
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Rive Caedo
Rive's Uncharted Settlements
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date Posted: Oct 12, 2005 5:08 PM
I suspect Luke would have told all aspiring Jedi Vader's story as a lesson starting when the Jedi Temple is established in 11 ABY. I don't have a quote to back this up though :/
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SlaveoftheForce
Enter the 36th Chamber
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date Posted: Oct 12, 2005 5:44 PM
He mentions to Jaina and Jacen that Vader is his father in I believe, Young Jedi Knights: Shadow Academy, when he's explaining why he gave Brakiss a chance.
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Master_Kenobi17
Takin Over For Talon
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date Posted: Oct 12, 2005 8:24 PM
You forgot the Polis Massans and Palpatine.
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Mitth'raw'nuruodo
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date Posted: Oct 12, 2005 11:43 PM
Why is it that the Noghri are listed at 10 ABY?
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Rainbow Droideka
Aren't you a little short for an egg?
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date Posted: Oct 13, 2005 12:22 AM
What is this BBY and ABY? Would you explain? Sorry to be so clueless.
These are abbreviations used frequently in matters of the Star Wars timeline:
BBY - [years] before the Battle of Yavin (in Episode IV)
ABY - [years] after the Battle of Yavin
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Rainbow Droideka
Aren't you a little short for an egg?
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date Posted: Oct 13, 2005 12:26 AM
I'm interested in knowing when (if at all so far) it became known to the general public. It seems like once more than those first few people knew, it would leak out.
If it was still unknown to the public by seven years after RotJ (as ywingempress said), it seems like they would have had to have been going to great lengths to keep it secret. I guess that might make sense though, since they wouldn't necessarily want their greatest hero, Luke, to be associated with the greatest villain, Vader. Or Leia associated with Vader for that matter.
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ywingempress
Shroud of the Dark Side
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date Posted: Oct 13, 2005 9:34 AM
Yeah, it seems that the story everyone hears is Luke went to the Death Star II, killed the Emperor and Vader, and escaped before it exploded. Nothing about Vader being his father. But at the same, I think it IS common knowledge that Luke and Leia are siblings. That seems a bit strange to me, because once people knew Luke had a sister, wouldn't they question the "orphaned farmboy from a remote planet" story and wonder why he wasn't with his sister and who his parents were and the circumstances surrounding that? Without Leia in there, I can imagine that the story that Luke killed Vader and Palpy would be enough for the general population. But the Leia/sister thing would seem to open up more questions. Hmm.
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Sompeetalay
Sompeetalay's Source Blog
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date Posted: Oct 13, 2005 11:06 AM
- Panaka knows about the marriage since he provided Palpatine with the information that Anakin & Padmé had been married.
- The spirit of Qui-Gon Jinn knows that Anakin has turned into Darth Vader
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Rogueish
W.I.E.R.D.
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date Posted: Oct 13, 2005 12:50 PM
I suspect that Tarkin knows who Vader is. It intimates in Rogue Planet that he knows who Sidious is, so it would make sense that he's well informed on all matters regarding the Emperor's New Order.
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Migida
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date Posted: Oct 13, 2005 6:55 PM
how does panaka know and why does he tell palps?
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soberjedi24
redemtion from the force
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date Posted: Oct 13, 2005 10:53 PM
i would suspect also that owen and beru lars know-or at least understand that anakin went crazy and turned on his own jedi. it would explain the "hes just like his father, thats what im afraid of" dialog.
I think when vader first came out, the creatures of the glalxy assumed anakin dead in the jedi 'rebellion' or what ever they released it as on holonet.
theres still about his father luke never figures out, or at least is still in the process of knowing, in the empire series by dark horse, hes trapped on jabbim, and is conflicted with two different stories about what went down there.
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Darth Talas
"Chewie, Get Me A Hydrospanner!"
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date Posted: Oct 13, 2005 11:56 PM
C3P0 may have known about Vader after ROTS. Artoo may have told him after the wipe, but to protect his friend from further wipes he may have initiated a "commad/control voice" (ANH Radio Drama) to make 3P0 shut down when in a position to divulge sensitive information like Vader's identity (Inside the Worlds/ SW Trilogy).
In any case, 3P0 knew Vader's identity after Luke brought his body back to Endor:
ROTJ Radio Drama:
THREEPIO: But first you're going to light Lord Vader's --that is, your father's-- funeral pyre, sir?
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JMMC
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date Posted: Oct 14, 2005 7:48 AM
This is always an interesting question. The EU post-ROTJ books have been very vague about it, who knew and when. Seems like this should have been a big issue for editors, though. Establish a exact point where everyone knows. Late in the EU, I remember a Senator questioning Leia's motivations being Vader's daughter. I'd assume by at least the NJO, "everyone" knows.
As for Threepio, he may only know up to the point that Anakin goes bad. The same may even go for R2. Neither may have ever heard "Darth Vader" applied to Anakin. The Dark Nest novels may show us just how much R2 witnessed, though. I would think the general assumption about Anakin was he was killed during the Purge, as Ben implies in ANH.
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janlomona
Smugglers Rants
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date Posted: Oct 14, 2005 10:58 AM
The Tarkin issue has inspired me to add a QUOTES TO PONDER section of the blog.
That is a very interesting point. Tarkin was there from the very start of the Empire, and was clearly a big cheese beforehand. How involved was Tarkin in all this? Palpatine obviously 1- Trusts him and 2- Put a lot of faith in him, as Vader, even 19 years later was clearly Tarkin's underling. So it is fair to assume that Tarkin knew as much as anyone else about Vaders true identity.
Palpatine pre-Sith clearly kept all matter regarding taking down the Republic largely to himself, but as far as tactical situations went perhaps Tarkin was more closely involved than we think.
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darthjack66
Jedi Temple Invader
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date Posted: Oct 14, 2005 12:52 PM
Since Anakin was the posterboy for the clone wars. Darth Vader became the posterboy for the Empire. Everyone probably know that Anakin became Vader because he was Palpatine's most trusted confidant.
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Leland Y Chee
Keeper of the Holocron's Blog
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date Posted: Oct 14, 2005 1:10 PM
Everyone probably know that Anakin became Vader because he was Palpatine's most trusted confidant.
And not one of them bothered to tell Luke or Leia?
Late in the EU, I remember a Senator questioning Leia's motivations being Vader's daughter.
If anyone knows what book this appears, let me know.
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jediknight2210
Where did you dig up that old fossil?
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date Posted: Oct 14, 2005 1:45 PM
I have reason to believe that Palpatine, Vader and Tarkin were the leading people in the Empire....I mean jeez we saw them all together at the end of ROTS.
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jedimaster011090
Banan DaLos
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date Posted: Oct 14, 2005 4:10 PM
Um...this was interesting. If c3P0 can't keep a secret, why not wipe his memory after he witness a hidden marriage?
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Spino104
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date Posted: Oct 14, 2005 4:35 PM
I think that Stormtrooper Tk-391 knows everytrhing
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AnAkAiNsOlO
Star Wars: The Final Frontier
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date Posted: Oct 14, 2005 4:44 PM
I think Tarkin may have had an inkling, I mean he knew that Anakin Skywalker was Obi-Wan Kenobi's apprentice (RP) and then he knew Darth Vader was Obi-Wan Kenobi's apprentice, and since Obi-Wan took Anakin as soon as he ascended to Knight, and never took anoher apprentice after Anakin, as there was no time, he must have put two and two together or been the biggest dumb-a$$ in Star Wars history.
Solo out
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Z-score
The Star Wars Uncle
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date Posted: Oct 15, 2005 8:58 PM
Here's another good quote for the quote section of your blog:
Leia: Somehow, I've always known. (ROTJ, after Luke reveals they are twins)
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Darth NTM
Do Nautolans Dream of Aquatic Sheep?
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date Posted: Oct 16, 2005 11:18 PM
On page 23 of Before the Storm, Senator Tig Peramis makes it clear that he knows the relationship between Leia Organa Solo and Darth Vader. Perhaps he knows that as a member of the Council of Common Defense he was permitted access to that intelligence. Regardless, it means a whole bunch of high level government officials were aware by that 16 ABY.
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the_Whill
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date Posted: Nov 12, 2005 2:53 PM
Mom Mothma knows that Luke & Leia are siblings and tells Jan Ors in Dark Forces: Rebel Agent, page 72. And in Dark Forces: Jedi Knight, page 32, a com tech aboard Mon Mothma's command ship, New Hope also knows. So it seems to be common knowledge in Mon Mothma's circle, if not the Alliance in general. On page #42 Luke tells Kyle Katarn.
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the_Whill
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date Posted: Nov 12, 2005 7:47 PM
You'll need to move up the Xizor entry from 3.5 ABY to 3 ABY, because the SOTE novel begins during TESB, and Xizor is present with the Emperor to overhear Vader's holographic transmission as depicted in the film. That's when he first hears the name of Luke Skywalker, and already knowing that Vader was Anakin Skywalker (as unlikely as that seems), realizes that Luke is Vader's son. (pages 2-3) Since Vader's previous identity is known only to an elite, tight-lipped few, my guess would be that Palpatine himself probably leaked it to Xizor to test or ensnare the Falleen shortly before the above events.
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the_Whill
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date Posted: Nov 12, 2005 7:48 PM
The Dark Woman knew Vader's identity just before ANH, but it's impossible to say if she knew beforehand, or just when she sensed Vader in the Force.
In the Droids cartoon, the Tail of the Roon Comets episode, 3PO is subjected to a partial memory wipe, so even if R2 had told him, he may have lost that memory. Still, I don't think R2 retained conscious memory of these secrets between trilogies. He could have had a memory wipe or damage at some point and not known the contents of that sequestered sector in his memory banks.
During or immediately after ROTJ, I'm sure that Luke and Leia would have told Han, Chewie, Lando, R2, and 3PO all they know.
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Sompeetalay
Sompeetalay's Source Blog
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date Posted: Jan 11, 2006 11:37 AM
** Dark Lord SPOILER **
In 'Dark Lord' Bail Organa is certain that Vader is Anakin Skywalker and he informs Captain Antilles about it. Roan Shryne also finds out who Vader really is.
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alexmel
How can Vader not sense Leia is his daughter.
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date Posted: Feb 21, 2007 12:14 PM
People must have heard things through the grapevine. It really depends on the person and the situation. For some people it might have been the force that told them. You have a very good point. We love the story of the Skywalker family, although there was some sad moments, everything turned out to be okay.
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