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 | MasterMonkey13date posted: Jul 24, 2006 5:43 AM | updated: Oct 03, 2006 12:58 PM |
 | A Shocking Revelation |
 "Do you remember your mother? Your real mother?" Luke to Leia. There have been many blogs discussing these words but I believe that I have finally come to an explaination.
First of all, let's consider what I think has been come to believe. Leia knew that she was adopted. Well, in this case she must be speaking of Padme when she answers Luke's question, because by all reason Mrs. Organa probably lived for at least several years after Leia's adoption and Leia would have clearer images of her. So, after Luke tells Leia that he's her brother, she must be thinking, "How did he know?" "Who told him?" "Who else knows?" So in this scenerio, Leia is full of questions with no answers. And plus, Luke was born before Leia.
Next, another accepted view that Leia didn't know that she was adopted. She sure acts like the Organas are the only family she's known. So now she probably thinks that Mrs. Organa is her mother and we can assume that she died. So, here is another complication, she must be thinking, "Where was Luke all this time that I've been growing up?" "Why did I never see him?" "Bail Oragana is Darth Vader?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!" So here, Leia considers Luke a liar or considers the Organas a liar. Which one?
So my conclusion? I think that Leia originally spoke of Mrs. Organa but was corrected by Luke. I see it that either way Leia has a lot of questions in her mind. Did she think of Padme or Organa? Did she know that she was adopted or not? Which way did she take the fact that Luke was her bro?
Those were my thoughts, let me hear yours.
May the Force be with us all! God bless!
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cbern
Omega Squad's 5th member
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date Posted: Jul 24, 2006 7:01 AM
i wrote a blog on this about a week ago, so i won't take up all your space with my comments, just read my blog here
but i like you points
if she only thought she was adopted, how could vader be her father?
also, remember, vader didn';t know about leia until the end when he tells luke he will try to turn her if he didn't
good blog
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miniforcex
The Star Wars Fan Wears Pink
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date Posted: Jul 24, 2006 7:01 AM
Nice thoughts, but I disagree. Leia wasn't confused. She spoke the truth.
Leia's eyes were open at the time of her birth, and Luke's weren't.
PS: You have your quote wrong: It's "Do you remeber your mother? Your real mother?"
MINIFORCE 
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Yoda1245
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date Posted: Jul 24, 2006 7:44 AM
Leia's adopted mother the Queen of Alderaan died when Alderaan was destroyed by the Death Star, so Leia definitely knew what she looked like.
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MomOf2YoungPadawan
Mamadala's Lair
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date Posted: Jul 24, 2006 9:33 AM
Confusing, this all is. As far as plot goes, I'm not sure we'll ever have a definite answer, but it's always fun to ponder and blog about! 
...My OT novel-reading will be revisited as soon as I finish Dark Lord, so I can't remember what it says in the ROTJ novelization (I always rely heavily on the novels to add depth and understanding)
Soooo...to make a long comment short...I got nothin' !! 
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Jadakin
Hyperspace
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date Posted: Jul 24, 2006 1:08 PM
Well, it has been said it was her Force Sensitivity that had her remember. She also told him she was "Very Beautiful, but always sad." That sounds like Padme in the Clone Wars. Well they both saw her when R2-D2 projected out when Anakin and Padme were talking, with Obi-Wan Kenobi, read The Dark Nest trilogy.
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usetheforce19
MasterMonkey13
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date Posted: Jul 24, 2006 6:40 PM
She also told him she was "Very Beautiful, but always sad." That sounds like Padme in the Clone Wars.
Very true.
May the Force be with us all! God bless!
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viagoangel2
Were Anakin and Padme' really one?
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date Posted: Jul 24, 2006 6:56 PM
This is one of those questions that will continue to baffle us all. Unless GL comes out with an explanation or cuts it out from the ROTJ version completely, then we are left to guess and try to make sense of it. For me, when LEIA says that she only remembers feelings, images....I tend to think that Bail Organa gave Leia some photos of Padme. Maybe some taken during a political holonet sequence or something? Who knows, The 2 of them ( Padme and Bail ) were close colleagues. Anything at this point is possible. ANGEL....
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durfroz
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date Posted: Jul 24, 2006 7:34 PM
We now know that Leia couldn't remember her real mother (she did know she was adopted) unless Bail Organa told her about Padme and she remembers her that way. As for goofs, I seem to remember in the book Return of the Jedi that Leia was supposed to have blue eyes. There was a line in there about Luke and Leia looking at each other and it said "blue eyes looking into blue eyes". If you read enough of the books you'll find all kinds of inconsistancies with the movies. GL once said he didn't read the books, he just made the movies.
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Darth_Fritz
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date Posted: Jul 24, 2006 7:34 PM
No. Here's why:
1) Bail Organa and his wife are never refferred to as royalty, but Leia maintains her Princess title, so surely she would know that her mother was a queen on another planet who inexplicably became pregnant and died in childbirth.
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Darth_Fritz
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date Posted: Jul 24, 2006 7:36 PM
2) The line goes:
LUKE: Do you remember your mother? Your REAL mother?
LEIA: Images really, just feelings.
Why would they talk about her real mother, assuming her foster mother and father died when the first Death Star blew up Alderraan. She has a connection to her mother, but she doesn't really remember her.
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DarthSeelman
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date Posted: Jul 24, 2006 7:46 PM
Did you ever consider that Bail could have told her stories of her real mother, but purposely left out info about Luke and her father to protect her?
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DarthSeelman
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date Posted: Jul 24, 2006 7:46 PM
Did you ever consider that Bail could have told her stories of her real mother, but purposely left out info about Luke and her father to protect her?
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gencrs
Technical Manuals from The GFFA
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date Posted: Jul 24, 2006 8:01 PM
I tend to think that Bail Organa gave Leia some photos of Padme.
Did you ever consider that Bail could have told her stories of her real mother,
This is my opinion on that issue, as well. I think that Bail told Leia about her birth mother and that is what she is recalling. I haven't read the Dark Nest Trilogy, so I don't know anything about that.
R, TFWBWY, A.
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gallandro77
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date Posted: Jul 24, 2006 8:01 PM
im adopted. My parets are the one's who raised me. Im thankful for the sacrifice by my birth mother, she was a teenager in Canyon TX, I now go to a music consrvatory in Cleveland, i a bit better off. I think she knew she was adopted. In Dark Lord, Mon Mothma knows shes Leia's adopted, I think its public domain. I thnk Leia's reaction is partly that she findly undestands why she feels some of the things he does. She realizes she has the force too. I think she knew she adopted, but it was hard for here to know that her blood was the same that flowed in Vader's.
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usetheforce19
MasterMonkey13
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date Posted: Jul 24, 2006 8:11 PM
I see what you mean DarthSeelman. Man, I really need to read some books.
May the Force be with us all! God bless!
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anikanlover7
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date Posted: Jul 24, 2006 9:44 PM
Well my belief is that she knew she was adopted for sure, but by means of intense emotions on Padma's part and the force, she does truly remember images ans feelings of her birth mother. The force is something that is definitely hard for us non- jedi's to truly grasp, but it is strong none the less! I think it was some how embedded in her mind and heart and carried it with her!!! just my opinion!
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Oboe-Wan
Oboe-Wan's Hive of Scum & Villainy
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date Posted: Jul 24, 2006 9:50 PM
Did she think of Padme or Organa?
Padme. From a dramatic standpoint it would make no sense to ask her if she remembered her adopted who only died a few years earlier. Plus, who in their right mind doesn't understand the "REAL" mother label?
Did she know that she was adopted or not? Yes.
Which way did she take the fact that Luke was her bro?
When he told her about their relationship, it only clarified her feelings toward him. She could finally understand why she felt so strongly toward him.
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Jediknight D
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date Posted: Jul 24, 2006 10:04 PM
I know Oboe-Wan just posted a link from the databank, but this may be of further help http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Leia_Organa_Solo. I quickly skimmed through it and I saw a part saying that people were leaning towrads that she spoke of Padme. Also, this page will be EXTREMELY USEFUL to back up info to future blogs, or if you just want to look up stuff. Many have probaly been to it but if you have not, you can save it in your favorites. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
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Lord Darth Vader
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date Posted: Jul 24, 2006 11:18 PM
Okay the dialogue goes like this
Luke: Leia... do you remember your mother? Your real mother?
Leia: Just a little bit. She died when I was very young.
Luke: What do you remember?
Leia: Just...images, really. Feelings.
Died while only seconds old maybe an interpretation of died when very young but it's a stretch. And how can she remember feelings of her mother under the same agument. And force sensative is a cop out.
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Lord Darth Vader
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date Posted: Jul 24, 2006 11:18 PM
This is one of the many issues I have with ROTS. Originally Leia was partially raised by her REAL mother. GL deciding what would be a "better" story arc killed of Padme because of greif.
jedilily1026 had it right
I think GL put his foot in it. That's all.
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Forcemaster509
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date Posted: Jul 25, 2006 2:56 AM
Well, I don't have all the answers, but my guess is that Luke may have been trying to show Leia that she could use the force. If Leia remembered anything from that day, maybe she would remember her brother Luke. Both of the twins inhaired a connection to the force from Anikin
Tim
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Forcemaster509
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date Posted: Jul 25, 2006 2:57 AM
Well, I don't have all the answers, but my guess is that Luke may have been trying to show Leia that she could use the force. If Leia remembered anything from that day, maybe she would remember her brother Luke. Both of the twins inhaired a connection to the force from Anikin
Tim
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Behemiel
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date Posted: Jul 25, 2006 4:36 AM
Well Leia knew she was addopted. And she simply might have had a tighter bond to her mother I mean Padme then Luke and so the force has left a stronger imprint of her in Leias memory. She remembered her threw the Force. As we knowe Lars in EP IV says that Luke was to much like his father. And Leia had more of her real mother.
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darth vinsidious
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date Posted: Jul 25, 2006 5:39 AM
luke says that Vader is his father and Leia his sister. "The force is strong in my family. My father has it, I have it and my sister has it."
she replies "I know, somehow I've always known."
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usetheforce19
MasterMonkey13
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date Posted: Jul 25, 2006 7:15 AM
Well, I don't have all the answers, but my guess is that Luke may have been trying to show Leia that she could use the force. If Leia remembered anything from that day, maybe she would remember her brother Luke. Both of the twins inhaired a connection to the force from Anikin
I like that idea. I also like everyone else's idea too.
May the Force be with us all! God bless!
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darthjorot
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date Posted: Jul 25, 2006 7:18 AM
Women are more intuitive. Probably Leia had images of Padme as she was held those few seconds before she died. Luke on the other hand didn't have much time in Padme's arms. The force also may have played a role in those visions that remained with Leia for reasons unknown. The development of the story in Return of the Jedi may shed light on the subject. It was better for Luke to remain detached from his emotions as Obi-Wan suggested: "bury your feelings deep down Luke, they do you credit, but they could be made to serve the emperor."
At any rate, it was normal for Luke to wonder about his mother but his questions did not imply greater focus on that area of his life. The main concern was to bring balance to the force.
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anakinishot41
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date Posted: Jul 25, 2006 7:46 AM
I also disagree she knows that ms. Organa was not her mother because lukes says do remember ur mother ur real mother so right there she knows that she was adopted also shes says that she was sad and at the end of ROTS u see padma very upset.
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Sith Lord Eight
Sith to the left of me, Jedi to the right
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date Posted: Jul 25, 2006 8:03 AM
I very much agree with Oboe-Wan. I always had a strong idea that Leia was very force-sensitive in a clairvoyant, visionary type of way (i.e. sensing Luke while escaping Bespin.) Even before the PT, I always thought Leia was describing her birth mother. I also agree that her beautiful and sad description paints Padmé perfectly from ROTS. I may be a bit idealistic, but I truly believe there is no mistake about this.
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usetheforce19
MasterMonkey13
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date Posted: Jul 25, 2006 8:48 AM
If Leia reached out through the Force to find memories of Padme, then how come Luke couldn't. Even though he was told bury his feelings, he should have had some memories. Right?
May the Force be with us all! God bless!
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CommanderPlush
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date Posted: Jul 25, 2006 8:51 AM
I've been wondering about that too. I think she did not know she was Adopted. did Ms. Organa die while Leia was still young?
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CommanderPlush
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date Posted: Jul 25, 2006 8:51 AM
I've been wondering about that too. I think she did not know she was Adopted. did Ms. Organa die while Leia was still young?
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Sith Lord Eight
Sith to the left of me, Jedi to the right
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date Posted: Jul 25, 2006 10:07 AM
.....If Leia reached out through the Force to find memories of Padme, then how come Luke couldn't.....
Again, I think her gifts were different from Luke's. Observe Qui-Gon compared to Obi-Wan. There first scene in TPM is the perfect example. Obi-Wan had a "bad feeling about this," sensing something "elsewhere, elusive." Then Qui-Gon suggests he concentrate on the "living force" of the here and now, dismissing Obi-Wan's vision as an "anxiety." Luke did not foresee Vader's trap on Bespin, nor had he "somehow always known" about having a sister. Yes, once told he indeed had a sister, he concluded it was Leia. But only at that present time after being given the first piece of that puzzle.
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DarthAlice13
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date Posted: Jul 25, 2006 11:07 AM
I agree with Sith Lord Eight. Peace out. 
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vader's fist3
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date Posted: Jul 25, 2006 11:09 AM
Lucas had said in an interview, that Padme had made a "Force Connection" with Leia. In other words, padme had implanted memories into leia's mind.
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Phil_B_22
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date Posted: Jul 25, 2006 11:19 AM
Since Leia doesn't respond to the phrase "your REAL mother" with "what do you mean 'Real Mother'? I only had one." I think we can take it that she knew she was adopted. Obviously, she wouldn't have been told details. And let's look at it another way. All of a sudden, Bail and his wife have a kid, and she hadn't been pregnant. So i think it's safe to say that all of Alderaan knew Leia was adopted, but just assumed that they got her from an orphanage or something.
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MasterJacen92
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date Posted: Jul 25, 2006 12:13 PM
The way Leia puts it, that she remembers feelings, makes me think that Leia is remembering things that she could sense while Padme was pregnant. Leia is Force-Sensative so she could sense what Padme was feeling. This would explain why Leia described Padme as being sad, At first, Padme was sad because she hadnt seen Anakin in months due to the sieges. She was also troubled by the power Palpatine was gaining. Finally, Padme learned her husband had done unthinkable things to children etc in the Temple. All of those are very powerful emotions, most likely ones easily sensable.
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Ganner Rhyshod
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date Posted: Jul 25, 2006 12:54 PM
Well If you have read the NJO and dark nest you know that Anakin Solo remembers images of the battle with the re-born Palptine and the first time Jacen meats Ben, Ben knows him right away, but neither Ben or Anakin where born. So what Leia is discribing is what the force had shown to her in the womb and maybe evern in dreams.
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Ganner Rhyshod
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date Posted: Jul 25, 2006 12:54 PM
Well If you have read the NJO and dark nest you know that Anakin Solo remembers images of the battle with the re-born Palptine and the first time Jacen meats Ben, Ben knows him right away, but neither Ben or Anakin where born. So what Leia is discribing is what the force had shown to her in the womb and maybe evern in dreams.
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ithekro
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date Posted: Jul 25, 2006 5:08 PM
Something to ponder. Maybe Leia is the more powerful of the two Skywalkers, but Luke is the one trained because he's not as hot headed as his sister. Leia's got a temper as Solo finds out a couple of times. Luke seems te more calm of the two.
Leia remembering her Mother and Luke not seems reasonable now if Leia is the more sensitive and Luke's eyes were closed.
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R2-JFP
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date Posted: Jul 25, 2006 5:24 PM
Everyone can assume what other books have said or even take what Lucas has commented on. The point is what happened in the movies is what we get as a final product. It was never mentioned that she was adopted. I think this is another story line that Lucas didnt feel was important enough to bring up in the prequels so therefore, he felt this wasnt a interesting story line....like the senators meeting in private to form the birth of the rebellion...again he didnt feel this was important and therefore left it out of the movies!
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jedivan2
Jedivan's Viewpoint
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date Posted: Jul 25, 2006 6:41 PM
I've submitted a question about Leia's "memory" to the "Ask a question" link here online. So far, no "official answer" has been forthcoming. My belief is that Bail told her a bit about her mother and she saw a picture or two, but that's just my opinion.
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JediCody87
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date Posted: Jul 25, 2006 7:38 PM
I like this blog-its a great question and its kind of confusing-i think leia knew she was adopted-when she spoke to luke about all of that-ya know-about them being brother and sister-twins,it seems like she knew that at that instant vador(anakin)-was her father and i kind of also think she had some kind of spirtial connecton with her mother(padme`)....they were so alike and shes the only one out of the two that acually remembered they're mother....just a thought ,but god blog!
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DarthRasinci
And so it is...
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date Posted: Jul 25, 2006 9:22 PM
I think the fact that Luke specifies her real mother and Leia doesn't give him a funny look proves she knows she was adopted. Also, I think she had memory imprints of Padme through the Force, just like I think Luke had an imprint of Yoda in his head, hence his line on Dagobah when he says it feels familiar.
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Shade of Sidious
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date Posted: Jul 25, 2006 9:53 PM
"Through the force things you will see, the future, the past, friends long gone." Yoda in Ep. 5. We know Anakin could see the future as a child in Ep. 1, from when Qui-Gon question Shmee about Anakins abilities. Anakin had not been trained at that point, but still had that ability allowing him to be the only human that could pod race. Is it a stretch to think that Leia was able to have visions of her mother (Padme) in the past in much the same way her father could see the future as a child? Sorry if it's a cop out, but I think she unwittingly used a force ability.
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lordnyax22
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date Posted: Jul 25, 2006 11:43 PM
Hey shade of Sidious u make a good point but any good starwars fan would know that the chosen ones mothers name is spelled Shmi (sorry about the inconvenience shmi)
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lordnyax22
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date Posted: Jul 25, 2006 11:44 PM
p.s even watch episode 2 to find out
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usetheforce19
MasterMonkey13
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date Posted: Jul 26, 2006 6:38 AM
Great points, I agree that Bail probably had pics to show Leia, but would the Lars have pictures of Padme to show to Luke? That may have been why Luke was so curious about Padme. And it is true that Leia seems to be more intuitive than Luke (duh). I always had thought that Leia spoke of Padme when speaking to Luke.
cont........
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usetheforce19
MasterMonkey13
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date Posted: Jul 26, 2006 6:41 AM
But it is a long shot that Leia would remember someone that she only saw for about 5 seconds, the ####hest back memory that I have is of when I was two. Anyway, the Force can help a person see far into the future or into the past. Anyway, thanks for all the comments, this is only my second blog to reach 50 comments and only my second blog to hit the main page. Thanks! Conclusion, Leia spoke of Padme through the Force.
May the Force be with us all! God bless!
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