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by: usetheforce19

date posted: Jul 27, 2006 6:32 AM | updated: Jul 27, 2006 6:33 AM

A Sacrifice leaves a Question

"Only a master of evil, Darth." Obi-Wan and Vader confront in a final epic duel between master and apprentice, good and evil, brother and brother. Of course we all know that Darth Vader strikes down Obi-Wan as a result of Ben's sacrifice to save Luke. But....

If the battle had continued with no interference, with no Luke, Han, Leia, Chewbacca, and droids to look after, who would have won. It appears that Vader had the upperhand when Ben sacrificed himself, but, the power of the Force is strong, and I think that Ben could have easily defeated a cyborg just by being smart.

And what of this question, I have heard that Luke blasted shut the door to seal Vader behind it. First of all, Vader could have stabbed his saber through it. But who really did shut the door, Luke, or Ben? That is a question that I've wondered for a while.

And why didn't Luke rush in with his lightsaber and confront Vader with Ben? But, then Vader would know of his son, which could be disasterous.

Those are my thoughts, add your thoughts if you like.

Vader versus Ben, who would win?

May the Force be with us all! God bless!

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	jedi master michael7
date Posted: Jul 27, 2006 7:07 AM vader would win

	sionfav
date Posted: Jul 27, 2006 7:36 AM i think vader would win, but, if vader was killed by ben, would he get through those stormtroopers?

	amidalooine The Emotional Galaxy
date Posted: Jul 27, 2006 7:48 AM It appears that Vader had the upperhand when Ben sacrificed himself Physically, you mean? Maybe. But Ben won by sacrificing himself. Anakin was always a better light sabre duelist than Obi-wan, but Obi-wan, in his humanity, had an advantage, too...

	miniforcex The Star Wars Fan Wears Pink
date Posted: Jul 27, 2006 8:07 AM Vader would win.

Hoppy Har Ghost
The Cormyrean Jedi's Holojournal

date Posted: Jul 27, 2006 8:10 AM

Well, they were both old men. I read somewhere that Obi-Wan was an old man wracked by his guilt about Mustafar, and that Anakin was an old-ish man that was barely human, and had to deal with his whole life being ruined. Would the stormtroopers help him? I mean...in Last of the Jedi I think it was, it said Anakin/Vader was alone. Would his troops be loyal enough to him to fight a Jedi for his corpse? I think not. They probably would have run away as fast as their little clone legs could carry them, (cont)

Hoppy Har Ghost
The Cormyrean Jedi's Holojournal

date Posted: Jul 27, 2006 8:12 AM

Allowing Ben to escape (how did he get to the Death Star without the Falcon?

) or maybe he hijacked a TIE fighter. I think that humanity (Obi-Wan) would have won, just because he proved that although Anakin/Vader MIGHT be the STRONGER fighter, its brains not brawn that win at the end (think about Mustafar and how Accuracy beats Strength, thats mentioned in the RotS novel) but if the troopers were loyal to Vader, they would gun down Kenobi as he fled.

	Shadow_JediX
date Posted: Jul 27, 2006 8:48 AM ben would win probably, but considering that vader had the stormtroopers, they would probably interfear, which would out number ben, because luke, leia, han, and chewbacca would have to leave before vader sensed luke

	Boricualrg@aol.com
date Posted: Jul 27, 2006 8:51 AM DV a cyborg. Everyone seems to look at him like a machine. His arms and legs were machines, he couldn't breath except with help, but the most important part of him was still there. His heart, evil it was by that time, but I think he would have won. JEDILILY1026

Qui-Tom Servo loves Padme
You Must Unlearn What You Have Learned

date Posted: Jul 27, 2006 9:14 AM

Interesting question. Obi-Wan was holding his own against a cyborg, despite the age limitations he faced. I think he knew that he could do more damage against the Sith as a martyr so to speak, and I think he wanted to taunt Vader with the strike me down line because of his reference to power. He knew what Vader wanted and he knew that Vader couldn't get what he wanted through the dark side.

	viagoangel2 Were Anakin and Padme' really one?
date Posted: Jul 27, 2006 10:11 AM VADER. Although as Ami put, Obi-wan won that battle by ascending into the Force and becoming with it for all eternity. Only there, could Obi-wan truly hlep Luke fulfill his destiny and bring Anakin back through the darknes and into the light. Angel

spartanclone

date Posted: Jul 27, 2006 10:49 AM

you guys are asking the wrong questions.......instead of asking who would win you should be thinking of the line you are analyzing......why does Obi-Wan refer to him as Darth.......in no other place that i can find does any Jedi address any Sith by the title of Darth! SO WHAT IS THE DEAL THERE.......Oh and by the way light always triumphs over dark
Obi-Wan would have rocked Vader like it was 1999!!!!!!!

	usetheforce19 MasterMonkey13
date Posted: Jul 27, 2006 11:05 AM Good thoughts everyone, I must say that Ben would have won. May the Force be with us all! God bless!

	MikeSolo1974
date Posted: Jul 27, 2006 1:45 PM How does Dooku (and also Yoda) remain so agile in his old age, but Ben doesn't? Is it because he spent those 20 years communing w/Qui Gon? Because Ben looked and moved as an old man...Vader would've won...no doubt.

	gold5 I lost Tiree, lost Dutch!..or How I learned to stop worrying and love the Death Star.
date Posted: Jul 27, 2006 3:26 PM I couldn't say who would win but as far as the blast doors. The truth about that is probably that because of the alert they were already being locked down. You could also say that maybe Ben closed them to protect Luke from confronting Vader before he was ready.

	usetheforce19 MasterMonkey13
date Posted: Jul 27, 2006 3:56 PM You could also say that maybe Ben closed them to protect Luke from confronting Vader before he was ready. I see that being true. May the Force be with us all! God bless!

	oopal@yahoo.comrelic
date Posted: Jul 28, 2006 8:53 PM sorry if this sounds bad i am new but in my view of it ob1 sacrificed himself because there was nothing more he could do for him in his mortale form

	oopal@yahoo.comrelic
date Posted: Jul 28, 2006 8:57 PM and ben would have won because vaders fighting in that instince was very clumbersome and ben had probably been plannig it while he was gaurding luke while vader wanted reveange

	Ulickeldroma The Musings of Ulic Qel Droma
date Posted: Jul 30, 2006 1:57 AM Yes Vader could have stabbed through the door, but remember it's 1977 and the special effects of the day couldn't have done it. Luke cannot go help Ben because he very wisely knows he'd be dead in about two seconds. Becoming a true master of the lightsaber takes years of training, and Luke can barely deflect a remote's bolts while blind.

Ulickeldroma
The Musings of Ulic Qel Droma

date Posted: Jul 30, 2006 2:00 AM

Oh, plus I'm sure Tarkin and the rest of the Death Star commanding staff wouldn't have been happy with a big hole in a door of the brand new Death Star. Also the blast doors were to prevent fire or other hazardous substances, or creatures, from leaving the hanger; as well as the added function of isolating the hanger if it became exposed to space so the Death Star wouldn't lose all of it's air.

Tiawyn
TiaWyn's Star Wars Blog

date Posted: Jul 30, 2006 9:15 AM

spartanclone wrote, "you guys are asking the wrong questions.......instead of asking who would win you should be thinking of the line you are analyzing......why does Obi-Wan refer to him as Darth......."

This "Darth" thing has bothered me for a long time. I rationalize it by thinking that Obi-Wan said it to "dehumanize" him and remind himself that the monster he was fighting was not really Anakin Skywalker. After all, Obi-Wan considered Anakin to be dead. We have no way of knowing what Obi-Wan felt in the Force when he looked at Vader.

	bcousin95
date Posted: Aug 01, 2006 2:23 PM ben would get shot by a stormie after beating vader

usetheforce19
MasterMonkey13

date Posted: Aug 02, 2006 2:43 PM

This "Darth" thing has bothered me for a long time. I rationalize it by thinking that Obi-Wan said it to "dehumanize" him and remind himself that the monster he was fighting was not really Anakin Skywalker. After all, Obi-Wan considered Anakin to be dead. We have no way of knowing what Obi-Wan felt in the Force when he looked at Vader.

True, I agree.

ben would get shot by a stormie after beating vader

I doubt it, Stormtroopers are horrible shots.

May the Force be with us all! God bless!

	Tiawyn TiaWyn's Star Wars Blog
date Posted: Aug 10, 2006 4:53 PM usetheforce19 wrote, "I doubt it, Stormtroopers are horrible shots." Especially against Jedi Masters with lightsabers.

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