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Infinite Galaxy Of Fun - (Retired Archive)
date posted: Nov 12, 2006 10:29 AM  |  updated: Nov 12, 2006 2:29 PM
Force Philosophy 101
Many people often admire the absolute "good" of the Jedi and decry the absolute "evil" of the Sith. Many declare an allegiance to a particular side of the Force, and declare themselves a Jedi or Sith.

But the universe is rarely so black and white. Contrary to some teachings, there is no indelible line between the Light and Dark sides of the Force, no absolute boundary that when crossed places you on a particular side of the Force forever.

In life, everyone has two sets of values: the official ones and those which they truly believe. Are the values you declare to have the same as the ones you really hold dear? Perhaps.......and perhaps not.

I once believed myself to adhere to the Light Side and the Jedi, but when I looked deeply at what I truly believed, I realized I had more in common with the Sith. And as I explored Sith philosophy and teachings, I fell further under their sway.

But, did I truly believe what the Sith taught?

The Force may contain both a Light and Dark side, but they are both part of the same entity, and exist only with each other. To some degree, we all have pieces of the Light and Dark side in us.

Even looking back into history, many of the greatest Sith began as Jedi, and some of them redeemed themselves back to Jedi. That's balance.

The balance of the Force is a reflection of the balance within ourselves. If we don't embrace that balance and delude ourselves, we will destroy ourselves and those around us.

Someone who fails to embrace that sometimes violence is the answer and lives must be taken will eventually collapse under the weight of those pressures and fall to the "easy path" of the Sith.

Someone who fully embraces the Dark side but uses it for evil purposes will become a twisted creature that hates himself and will strike out at others out of pain and misery and a desire to extend that and mar the universe with the pain he feels.

Nothing is black and white. The Force is grey. The Force is unified Light and Darkness.

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What follows is a simple test to determine your true adherence.

1) The Jedi Council asks you to betray a friend. Do you?
a) Do as they say
b) Warn your friend, then plot against the council
c) Refuse and accept the consequences.

2) Why do you study the Force?
a) For knowledge
b) For personal power
c) To help others

3) In war, is it most key to:
a) minimize casualties
b) Eliminate your enemy's ability to make war
c) make it as short as possible


4) You realize your best friend is a Sith Lord. Do you?
a) Incapacitate him so that he can be brought before the Council
b) Strike him down - he's too great a threat
c) Tell him to leave Coruscant and never return

5) Your above actions fail and you are forced to duel your friend. You gain the advantage, what do you do?
a) Knock his saber away without harming him, and then knock him out
b) Finish him - he's too dangerous and might try to kill you again
c) Cut off his saber hand and bring him alive to be tried

6) You are in a war and are assaulting the last enemy city. All attempts at offering a surrender have failed, and you must attack. Do you:
a) Assault the city and lose thousands of men
b) Bomb the city to the ground and take no casualties
c) Infiltrate the city, assassinate the leaders and try and force a peace

7) There is a Corellian terrorist with a bomb inside a hospital. If it goes off, it will take out many city blocks. All negotiation has failed. Do you:
c) Attempt to use the Force to disarm the bomb -though it may blow up
b) Bomb the hospital, at least the surrounding areas will be saved
a) Sneak in and try killing him but risk blowing it all

8) The Chief of State of the Galactic Alliance has asked you to help the government by disobeying an order from the Jedi Council. Do you:
a) Decline, and then report it to the council
b) Accept
c) Decline, but tell no one.


The Force is not so clear cut after all......

SCORING: Figure out the number of times you chose each letter. Then rank your letter choices from greatest to least.

Mostly A's, followed by C then B: LIGHT SIDE JEDI (Yoda)

A true adherent of the Light Side, unwaveringly loyal to the Force and the Order. However, the Living Force and other concepts can be beyond your reach.

Mostly B's, followed by C then A: SITH LORD (Darth Sidious)

You will do what must be done, for yourself and for what you believe.

Mostly C's, followed by A then B: MAVERICK JEDI (Qui-Gon Jinn)

You adhere to the Light Side, but make your own path. You are in touch with the Force and the world around you, and often see things with greater depth than others.

Mostly A's, followed by B then C: CONFLICTED JEDI (Jacen Solo)

You are on the Light Side, yet many aspects of you are Sith-like, especially when it comes to dealing with enemies. You are susceptible to turning.

Mostly B's, followed by A then C: FALLEN JEDI (Anakin Skywalker)

You are a Darksider, yet there is conflict in you as many of your beliefs still follow Jedi ways. Susceptible to redemption to the Light, or further darkness: a crossroads.

Mostly C's, followed by B then A: GRAY JEDI (Roan Fel)

You are not evil, but your loyalties lie in the mortal world, to a government or an organization or yourself before they lie with the Force. You largely are good, but will resort to ruthless measures to defend yourself and that which you defend.


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I answered honestly and fully, and according to the test I am a Maverick Jedi. By understanding what a Sith really is, I have come to understand what a Jedi really is.

It's about sacrifice, and helping those in need. It's in the methods one uses to achieve those ends that darkness can take you. But if you don't lose sight of them, it is possible to return...........





  Z-score
The Star Wars Uncle
date Posted: Nov 12, 2006 10:49 AM
Well, my loyalties would first and foremost not lie with the Jedi Council, nor with the Republic, but rather with the Force itself. Therefore, if I had a difficult decision to make, one that made me feel conflicted, I would simply call upon the Force for guidance.
nob01
Oil Bath Bubbles
date Posted: Nov 12, 2006 10:55 AM
Blimey.
I'm Yoda.
  darth maul517
Darth Jedi Maul Secura
date Posted: Nov 12, 2006 11:03 AM
Like you,I am a Meverick Jedi.That did not surprise.Hey it is close to being a Dark Jedi.
  greenandwhitejedi
Bar 66
date Posted: Nov 12, 2006 11:19 AM
Hmm, I got dentist or architect.
  TheBothanBoy
The Curious Bothan's Life Size Blog Archive
date Posted: Nov 12, 2006 12:20 PM
I always pride myself in being dark. However I got Conflicted Jedi. This was truly suprised

I've discovered who im am thank you....thank you

*runs around insanely and smacks his head into a suspiciously low flying flying saucer*
  Crazy_Jedi_Ducky_00
date Posted: Nov 12, 2006 1:20 PM
MAVERICK JEDI
*throws confetti and eats cake*
  Erhithiel of Endor
.......
date Posted: Nov 12, 2006 1:33 PM
As always, another interesting blog Infinite Force ...

I guess I would fall into both catagories.... a Light Side Jedi with a serious Maverick twist...

four A's followed up by three C's ...and one B ...







jkthunder
Seven Pieces
date Posted: Nov 12, 2006 1:44 PM
The quiz is too absolute, and I have diferent answers to all than the options given. Cripes! I must be Obi-Wan!

Someone who fails to embrace that sometimes violence is the answer and lives must be taken will eventually collapse under the weight of those pressures and fall to the "easy path" of the Sith.

This sounds like you really think violence is acceptable in certain situations. I hope that's not what you mean.?:|
  The Infinite Force
Infinite Galaxy Of Fun - (Retired Archive)
date Posted: Nov 12, 2006 2:01 PM
This sounds like you really think violence is acceptable in certain situations. I hope that's not what you mean.

Yes, sometimes violence is the answer.

When Luke destroyed the Death Star, he committed an act of violence for the greater good.

But violence is not always the answer and very rarely should be the first option considered.
  greenandwhitejedi
Bar 66
date Posted: Nov 12, 2006 2:08 PM
When Luke destroyed the Death Star, he committed an act of violence for the greater good

He was wrong to do it. You might say that if he hadn't then the Death Star would have blown up a bunch of planets and killed billions of people, but just because the Empire was wrong to use violence doesn't mean that Luke was right to use violence to stop them.
  The Infinite Force
Infinite Galaxy Of Fun - (Retired Archive)
date Posted: Nov 12, 2006 2:23 PM
That's the kind of mentality that would have allowed Hitler to cover the Earth in darkness.

When you defend a philosophy at the cost of lives, you commit an act of evil.

You would rather see billions die in order to spare a military target?
  The Infinite Force
Infinite Galaxy Of Fun - (Retired Archive)
date Posted: Nov 12, 2006 2:38 PM
I guess I would fall into both catagories.... a Light Side Jedi with a serious Maverick twist...

four A's followed up by three C's ...and one B ...


Then you are on the true path....

I'm curious what your B was, though ?:|
  Erhithiel of Endor
.......
date Posted: Nov 12, 2006 2:52 PM
My "B" was ...

#3.... In war, it is most key to : ..... Eliminate your enemie's ability to make war.

If you are going to battle there are going to be casualties, so worrying about how many there will be is not going to be very productive.

Making it as short as possible is not always an option...

However, if you can manipulate the circumstances enough, you can neuter the enemies ability to make war....cut off supplies, infilterate their chain of command, etc....If you can hinder their ability to make war, you will also cut casualties and make it shorter...

Thus I chose "B" ... :)

  The Infinite Force
Infinite Galaxy Of Fun - (Retired Archive)
date Posted: Nov 12, 2006 3:01 PM
Interesting....I never would have guessed you'd pick B for that one.
  greenandwhitejedi
Bar 66
date Posted: Nov 12, 2006 3:43 PM
That's the kind of mentality that would have allowed Hitler to cover the Earth in darkness

No it isn't. I'm not saying that Hitler shouldn't have been stopped, but you are confusing right and wrong with good and evil.

When you defend a philosophy at the cost of lives, you commit an act of evil.

See above.

You would rather see billions die in order to spare a military target?

No, I'm saying that people die both ways, and who are you to judge who that should be? Can you weigh the value of one life against another? I can't. No-one could possibly hope to.
  The Infinite Force
Infinite Galaxy Of Fun - (Retired Archive)
date Posted: Nov 12, 2006 4:24 PM
No it isn't. I'm not saying that Hitler shouldn't have been stopped, but you are confusing right and wrong with good and evil.

Are they different?

Can you weigh the value of one life against another? I can't. No-one could possibly hope to.

But that's a choice some are forced to make. Sometimes evil has to be fought. Sometimes lives have to be taken. To stand up for the weak and defenseless, to protect the oppressed, even at the cost of taking lives is never wrong if your intentions are true and your motives are selfless.
  The Infinite Force
Infinite Galaxy Of Fun - (Retired Archive)
date Posted: Nov 12, 2006 4:36 PM
Avoiding taking lives at all costs is always the goal of a perfect knight, but in reality this is not always possible.

If a man is attempting to rape and kill a woman in an alley, and you approach him and draws a blaster, it is not wrong to kill him if that is your only option. You are protecting yourself and saving an innocent.
  RC-6035 "Nova"
date Posted: Nov 12, 2006 4:49 PM
Maverick Jedi! Whoo-hoo, I'm Master Jinn!!!!

The quiz is too absolute, and I have diferent answers to all than the options given. Cripes! I must be Obi-Wan!

Absolutes.... Only a Sith.... Hmm. I guess we all have our own little "dark side"--but who defines "dark side"? The "light side"??? That's rather biased.... Oh, pickles. I'm confusing myself. Ignore my rambling.

Au revoir!
  greenandwhitejedi
Bar 66
date Posted: Nov 12, 2006 5:10 PM
Are they different?

Yes, but perceptions change from person to person. Some people think that good and evil are fixed concepts, and that right and wrong move relative to them. Some people think that right and wrong are fixed while good and evil move across them. Some people think that all are fixed, such that right is always good and wrong is always evil. Some people are nihilists.
Ex. from column A, the Operative in Serenity thinks that what he does is Evil, but that it is Right because it furthers a certain desirable goal: total unification (hope you get this ref.).
  greenandwhitejedi
Bar 66
date Posted: Nov 12, 2006 5:20 PM
that's a choice some are forced to make

Yep, I'm not arguing that. Thereafter, however, it comes down to which of the aforementioned opinions you subscribe to.

it is not wrong to kill him if that is your only option

Seems like the right thing to do.
I have to wonder though, is it Good to execute the perpetrators of Wrong? Perhaps the narrowing of choice excludes by definition such concepts. The narrower the choice, the more a human acts like a non-sapient(?) animal, I think.
Anyway, 1:20am is no time for thinking, so I gotta go.
usetheforce19
MasterMonkey13
date Posted: Nov 12, 2006 5:37 PM
QUI-GON!!!!

May the Force be with us all! God bless!
DJ Maul: Got Feet?
DJ Maul's Dancin' Cantina Party
date Posted: Nov 12, 2006 7:10 PM
interesting quiz this is...Im probably somewhere between maverick and conflicted...Lets just say I do identify with Jacen as he is now in the "Legacy of The Force" series...

  jSarek
jSarek's Infonet
date Posted: Nov 12, 2006 11:12 PM
I'm also a 4 A's, 3 C's, 1 B person, with the same B as Erhithiel. It *is* possible to inflict damage on the ability to wage war through destruction of materiel, though a lot harder, so it's not strictly Sithly.

The quiz is too absolute, and I have diferent answers to all than the options given. Cripes! I must be Obi-Wan!

Agreed. I didn't have different answer for *all* of them, but there were several times I went, "well, what about . . . "
  The Infinite Force
Infinite Galaxy Of Fun - (Retired Archive)
date Posted: Nov 13, 2006 7:39 AM
Seems like the right thing to do.
I have to wonder though, is it Good to execute the perpetrators of Wrong? Perhaps the narrowing of choice excludes by definition such concepts. The narrower the choice, the more a human acts like a non-sapient(?)

Thought provoking as always, and you do raise good points so that I now understand your POV. But that's always my goal, to bring a little intellectual debate to the blogs.

  The Infinite Force
Infinite Galaxy Of Fun - (Retired Archive)
date Posted: Nov 13, 2006 7:40 AM
The quiz is too absolute, and I have diferent answers to all than the options given. Cripes! I must be Obi-Wan!

That is true, but if it was more open-ended it wouldn't really be a good quiz if there weren't a fixed number of outcomes. As always though, you can't define who you are by one set of scenarios. But it can help get people thinking...
  Rogueish
W.I.E.R.D.
date Posted: Nov 13, 2006 9:00 AM
I was surprised that I'm a gray Jedi. Took me a while to figure out who Roan Fel is too, as I haven't been reading Legacy (not through choice).

I need to go home and rethink my life.
  SnoopDarthyDarth
Sith point of view related to real world...
date Posted: Nov 13, 2006 1:02 PM
Oooo...
Apparently Im a Fallen Jedi!!!
comanderbly
That's Impossible. Even for a Computer.
date Posted: Nov 13, 2006 2:27 PM
I am a Gray Jedi! Although a little information here and there on some questions would totally change my answers.

Are the values you declare to have the same as the ones you really hold dear?Perhaps.......and perhaps not.

I do not expect to be able to adhere to my values each day and under all circumstances. Life is too short and no one is perfect. For me, I look closely at the more significant events in my life. Situations where my decision has a lasting impact, for example when one employer made a decision I could not support I quit. No 2 weeks notice, no looking for another job. I walked in, quit, told him why and walked out.
  The Infinite Force
Infinite Galaxy Of Fun - (Retired Archive)
date Posted: Nov 13, 2006 2:56 PM
I do not expect to be able to adhere to my values each day and under all circumstances. Life is too short and no one is perfect.

Totally true. Sometimes we can't adhere to our values, but if we still believe in them deep down inside even in those times when we can't follow, then we are true to them.

  CornWallace
date Posted: Nov 14, 2006 3:09 AM
I got Conflicted Jedi (Jacen) and I completely understand how that happened. In reading all the books that have Jacen in them I have sympathised and understood him, even the more recent ones. In some ways I find I can relate the things he does with my own life which is one of the reason why I like his character so much, and why I am absolutely loving LotF, just a shame I can't enter his naming contest 'cause I'm in Australia :_|
  Z-score
The Star Wars Uncle
date Posted: Nov 14, 2006 5:08 PM
I never gave my score. I came up with Light Side Jedi, but my score was Four A's, two B's and two C's. So, does that just make me strictly a Light Side Jedi? Considering that my B's and C's have the same value, I wasn't sure it it matters what arrangement they fall into.
  orcrist611
date Posted: Nov 15, 2006 7:21 PM
I was so scared there would be no comment room. Ive said this soooo many times to my catholic uncle. there is no right and wrong. its all grey. I love how Kreia says in KOTOR that what does sith and jedi matter but slots in which we put the galaxy, to sort it out. I got goose bumps listening to her Humans do that so much they try to categorize the universe. How many times has the council rejected to forgive and allow people to redeem themselves. how many on the council are evil themselves simply because of arrogance eg. Atris. I got Grey Jedi by the way.:D
May the Force be with you and may the Valar protect you
  D-vad The Conquerer
date Posted: Nov 24, 2006 10:41 PM
i got conflicted jedi and fallen jedi. i guess i'm conflicted about being conflicted...
  EvolzQuiWon
My Own Reasoning
date Posted: Apr 02, 2007 11:47 AM
Well InfiniteForce, I'm a Maverick Jedi just like you!!!

This test was fun but I think there is more to classifying the Force then what you described. I feel you can still be a "maverick jedi" but make decisions just as ruthless as a sith. Just my two cents but I did enjoy the test!
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