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 | Who holds who's leash again?! |
 I was watching A New Hope again on DVD, when I noticed something. When Vader first brings Leia aboard the Death Star, Leia comments upon first meeting Grand Moff Tarkin that, "...I expected to find you here, holding Vader's leash". what did she mean by this?  Did she mean that Vader was Tarkin's subordinate, or did Tarkin just hang around Vader a lot, maybe hoping for a promotion or something. Vader was the Emperor's Apprentice, Tarkin was governor of some Outlands region. But, then again, Tarkin was put in command of the most powerful weapon/space station in the galaxy. What is the chain of command? Please, if anyone has the answer, or think they know it, comment immediatly. The fate of the galaxy rests upon you.
May the Force be with you,
j3d1mast3r
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FAN4YRS
A Rebel's Ramblings
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date Posted: Jun 30, 2007 6:20 PM
I think Palpatine did use Tarkin to keep Vader in check. In the "Star Wars" novels, the originals based on the movies, Vader plots to overthrow the Emperor throughout. Tarkin may have been used as Palpatine's eyes and ears.
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Merryman-Lyon
A Wild Bantha Chase
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date Posted: Jun 30, 2007 6:24 PM
I always thought that she was implying that Tarkin had to "keep an eye on Vader." The Emperor may have wanted to make sure that Vader didn't get out of control, or use the Death Star for his own purposes.
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Captain Peabody
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date Posted: Jun 30, 2007 6:33 PM
I think that, as far as the technical chain-of-command went, Tarkin was indeed the one 'in charge' of the Death Star. Darth Vader for the most part, I think, operated outside the official chain-of-command; he reported only to the Emperor and was sent by the Emperor to wherever he was needed, to act as an observer, and an enforcer of his will, whereas Tarkin was an admistrator, in this case assigned to the Death Star as its commander. Vader, being present only as a 'representative' of the Emperor, would be expected to show the proper deferrence toward the station's rightful commander.
Just my thoughts.... 
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zach starwalker
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date Posted: Jun 30, 2007 6:43 PM
at that point in time tarkin was above vader but normally vader would be above him. it gets complicated but basically whoever controls the death star is the next best thing as emperor.
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Elflord_2006
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date Posted: Jul 02, 2007 1:39 PM
Leia could be pitting Vader against Tarkin. If Vader hears himself as under Tarkin, he may decide to find ways to usurp Tarkin's authority. During the battle of Yavin, Tarkin may have told Vader that there was no need to defend the Death Star from those small rebel fighters, but against Tarkin's wishes, Vader took it upon himself to go outside and meet the rebels head-on, which ultimately saved his life from the destruction of the death star. Leia may have saved her father in ANH.
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Darthxuqshnr
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date Posted: Jul 02, 2007 10:28 PM
No people! Leia was being sarcastic. She was part of the rebels and dispised both Vader and Tarkin. It was a "put down" when she said "holding Vader's leash". Also it was impossible for Tarkin to be over Vader, Vader could kill Tarkin on a whim. Remember: Vader was more powerful than the Emperor, and the Emperor new that too. Episode III "Lord Vader will become more powerful than either of us!" Emperor said to Yoda. I hope this lays this to rest or gets some comments. I don't mind some other opinions. ![]:)](http://blogs.starwars.com/share/img/emoticons/devil.gif)
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Penzar
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date Posted: Jul 03, 2007 10:26 AM
Lucas said that Vader had the potential to become more powerful than the Emperor, but lost that potential when Kenobi cut off his legs and remaining arm in Episode III, because there was less of Vader's body to "summon" the Force with. Although Vader could still kill Tarkin or anyone else on a whim, obviously. I agree with Captain Peabody, that Vader was outside the Empire's official chain-of-command.
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CountSiMaul
Vaapad Charmer
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date Posted: Jul 03, 2007 11:16 AM
Governor Tarkin was actually granted limited control over Vader. That's why when Tarkin asked Vader to stop choking that one man, he did. The Emperor granted him this limited power himself.
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vaderhater22
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date Posted: Jul 03, 2007 2:28 PM
Is it possible that Vader was somewhere in the chain like Mara Jade and the other "Hand"s? Remember that Mara thought she was the only one and that she held a lot of power. Then, she found out she was only a tool of Palpy's. Maybe, Vader was considered a more public and higher ranked "Hand". Consider.... Palps told Vader that he was his right-hand man but that he couldn't go around flaunting his power and then told everybody else that needed to know that Vader was just a "Hand" like all of his other "Hand"s and that he was not really in control of anything. Plus, Vader was almost like the CIA. A CIA agent could prolly tell a low ranking Army officer what to do but good luck ordering around a full General. Thats my take on all this.
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Rainbow Droideka
Aren't you a little short for an egg?
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date Posted: Jul 03, 2007 5:53 PM
I think it's been pretty well established that, at least on the Death Star, Tarkin was supposed to be in charge. Vader could defy him with few consequences I bet, but he Tarkin was supposed to be in charge. Notice that Tarkin at leasts treats Vader like a subordinate, telling him "this plan better work" and ordering him to stop choking Admiral Motti.
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Master Deireanach
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date Posted: Jul 04, 2007 4:50 AM
It's basically an insult on Leia's part, Lord Vader actually outranks everyone but Sidious, however Sidious wanted to keep up appearances that Vader was basically his personal muscle. Remember no one knows that Sidious is a Sith Lord they just see him as the Emporer. In order to keep people guessing Vader pretends to be under Tarkin but in actuality if Vader thought Tarkin was out of line he would instantly correct him. As for Vader being a hand, not a chance, though Sidious doesn't fully trust him Vader is still his apprentice. And no Sith Lord in history has ever fully trusted his apprentice, for the Sith way is for student to become the master by killing him.
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MikeSolo1974
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date Posted: Jul 04, 2007 8:36 AM
Tarkin was over Vader.
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Penzar
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date Posted: Jul 04, 2007 10:17 PM
I've always thought that when Tarkin tells Vader to release Motti from the Force Choke that it was as one high-ranking Imperial official telling another, with no "official" weight behind in, instead of being like a direct order from a superior officer.
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Master Deireanach
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date Posted: Jul 05, 2007 8:09 AM
Penzar I agree totally with you, it's like when you and your buddies are out and one of them is beating down some guy and you say "hey dude let him go" you don't out rank your friend, you're just suggesting something to him
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Elflord_2006
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date Posted: Jul 05, 2007 11:17 AM
Master Deireanach - I like the argument that no one knows that Palpatine is Sidious, but doesn't the officers acknowledge Vader's "sorcery" and "ancient religion"? Would they have remembered that all Jedi were enemies of the republic leaving no other alternative other than that Vader most likely is a Sith? Padme acknowledged and knew of the sith, why not the imperial officers.
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Yodette_Yodile
Guarding the Rebel Base, and LOVIN' IT!
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date Posted: Jul 05, 2007 4:20 PM
I always thought that she was implying that Vader was like the Imperial Guard Dog, so to speak, and the empire could sic him on anyone who got out of line (namely the rebels).
So she figured Tarkin was the one who had Siced Vader on her...or something to that effect...
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Darthxuqshnr
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date Posted: Jul 07, 2007 11:57 AM
I agree with Master Deireanach. If Vader was under Tarkin, then why in TESB did Vader kill the Admiral and Captian Needa. Vader was the Emperor's administration tool to keep everyone in line. Remember, the Death Star was the Emperor's prize toy. He wasn't going to let some juvinile Grand Admiral take it where ever he wanted to play with it. Vader was there to convey the Emperor's wishes. If they didn't obey then Vader was there to handle it.
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Blizzard Two
LET'S BLOW THIS THING AND GO HOME...!
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date Posted: Aug 09, 2007 3:35 AM
Tarkin (a Grand Moff) outranked Vader (no official rank, but a good deal of clout) and Vader outranked Ozzel (a mere Admiral). Tarkin's superiority is actually made clear in the literature but, embarrassingly, I can't remember where...
The implication in the 'leash' comment is that Vader is the Emperor's pet and that Tarkin has been given the onerous task of looking after him and keeping him under control or set him on people as required.
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