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Emperor Palpatine's Flying Circus
by: youngjedijake8
date posted: Jan 02, 2006 7:32 PM
The slowest terror the galaxy has ever seen!
I was watching ANH and studying the Death Star and realized its just a big ball. How long did it take to go from Alderaan to Yavin IV? It didnt seem to have a hyperdrive, and even if it did, what propelled it. it didnt look like it had engines. And for that matter , how did it move at all. Inching its way, maybe moving by exelling air out the exhaust ports that led to its demise?Although that doesnt do much good in space... Anyhoo, i dont get how it moved. If it moved much, it probably had taken months to reach the Yavin System, seeing how Alderaan is in the core, and Yavin is in the Outer Rim. That is my blog for the day. Thank you and good night.

  sithmaster449
Prequel fever
date Posted: Jan 02, 2006 7:40 PM
You know I never thought about it.
  Rando1138
date Posted: Jan 02, 2006 7:40 PM
Check out the Death Star entry in the databank-especially the EU tab. The thing had 123 hyperspace generators and a bunch of ion engines for sub-light travel. Because of its size, scale becomes an issue in resolving the engine ports. They're there, just not big enough to see in the shots in the movie.
  youngjedijake8
Emperor Palpatine's Flying Circus
date Posted: Jan 02, 2006 7:42 PM
But how does it turn? Or move BACKWARDS!
  JOHNNAGE_THE_BRAVE
I came, I saw..... It was OK....
date Posted: Jan 02, 2006 7:43 PM
It did have a hyperdrive.

The situation with Yavin IV is that the actual planet Yavin was in the way of the Superlaser, and it probably would have taken more time to recharge the superlaser after destroying the other planet in front of it.

When Tarkin asked Leia to give the location of the Rebel base, he wasn't packing his walkman and Mad magazines for a 3 week road trip.
  Rando1138
date Posted: Jan 02, 2006 7:47 PM
When a tank turns around in place, it has one set of treads turn forward and one backward. The Death Star could do something similar by having certain engines thrusting and some not, or combinations to produce different manuevers. Since it's a sphere, it would make sense that it had engine ports distributed all around the surface, not just on one side. So it didn't really have a "front". It just moved where you needed it, and certainly had the thrusters needed to aim the big gun.
  JOHNNAGE_THE_BRAVE
I came, I saw..... It was OK....
date Posted: Jan 02, 2006 7:58 PM
kind of like the Hubble Space telescope, except with a superlaser instead of a lens.

Obviously whilst out of Hyperspace though, the Death Star would have travelled at a low velocity when in the vicinity of other gravitational fields to minimise the chances of crashing or loss of navigational control

glaben
  Michelle1968
M68- Star Wars Kid at Heart
date Posted: Jan 02, 2006 8:05 PM
Just imagine how many people never even thought about that! Good topic! I also like the answers already given. The tank analogy rocked. Rando 1138... actual facts given, cool!

Johnnage, you are cracking me up tonight...
  Son of a Bith
The Cantina Corner
date Posted: Jan 02, 2006 8:23 PM
It talks about this in Rogue Planet. And Johnnage, if Yavin is a gas giant, wouldn't the laser go through the planet? Unless it had a solid core and the gases ignited.:D

I think the DS was so big it had its own gravitational pull. Look at what happened to Porkins.:_|
  youngjedijake8
Emperor Palpatine's Flying Circus
date Posted: Jan 02, 2006 8:25 PM
I dont understand how it survived at such a velocity. Capital ships and such are aerodynamic. I understand a ball could survive, but the compression would make the laser implode while in lightspeed. You think they put up a metal shield to protect it in hyperspace? o and how strange it must have looked in Hyperspace! Or at...LUDICROUS SPEED!
  youngjedijake8
Emperor Palpatine's Flying Circus
date Posted: Jan 02, 2006 8:26 PM
aye, poor porkins LOL
  JOHNNAGE_THE_BRAVE
I came, I saw..... It was OK....
date Posted: Jan 02, 2006 8:34 PM
hey if they can break the laws of physics and travel past lightspeed, then I'm sure they can maintain a Superlaser at high speed.

If the DS had travelled at ludicrous speed, it would have ended up looking plaid.
  Rando1138
date Posted: Jan 02, 2006 10:05 PM
I think the DS would be polka dotted at Ludicrous speed. Think about it.

And Jedi Jake, why are you worried about whether or not the DS is aerodynamic? There's very little air in space. That's why we call it space. While some ships (like Victory-class Destroyers or Accumulators) might enter atmospheres, I don't think anyone ever thought of doing that with the DS. It might break.
  Rando1138
date Posted: Jan 02, 2006 10:08 PM
By the way, if you haven't seen this gallery of alternate movie endings, do so! Ep.4 is hilarious.

http://www.howitshouldhaveended.com/movie%20list.html
  redhawk23
date Posted: Jan 02, 2006 10:24 PM
dude areodynamics don't realy matter in things that never enter atmosphers
there is no friction in space
just gravity
and i don't think being triangular helps you slice through gravity
  JOHNNAGE_THE_BRAVE
I came, I saw..... It was OK....
date Posted: Jan 02, 2006 10:31 PM
Look at the Slave 1!

It flies like Powdered Toast Man!
  Bai Ahzur
Bai Ahzur's usless, but hopefully entertaining, yet somewhat eneventful, however rewarding, blog.
date Posted: Jan 02, 2006 11:04 PM
While there may not be any significant amount, there acually is some air in space. How else would you account for the high level of Hydrogen.
It would be impossible to move the DS, or any other ship for that matter through conventional means of acceleration. I mean at such a hugh accelleration rate, the crew would be squshed onto the bulkheads.
So in this case it seems logical to me that Hyperspace travel is actually based on Metric Engineering. By changing the metric of the ship to where the natural state of it is accelerration, you would bypass the huge amount of G forces.
  Darth Chockerious
date Posted: Jan 02, 2006 11:18 PM
I know that the Death Star 1 had hyperdrive and most likely 2's wasn't installed yet. My questions are, why didn't the rebels start evacuating the planet? Why didn't the Falcon stop by another planet first and drop off the droids and the princess?
  JOHNNAGE_THE_BRAVE
I came, I saw..... It was OK....
date Posted: Jan 02, 2006 11:20 PM
The Imperial Starfleet would probably have used their tractor beams on the rebel capital ships if they had've known about them (A large group leaving they would have noticed)

An I'm sure princess Leia as a rebel leader would do the honourable thing like she was doing on Hoth, by standing by her forces and being the last to leave
  Son of a Bith
The Cantina Corner
date Posted: Jan 02, 2006 11:29 PM
LOL awe man that Ren & Stimpy referrence brings back the memories. I need to buy those DVD's.
  Bai Ahzur
Bai Ahzur's usless, but hopefully entertaining, yet somewhat eneventful, however rewarding, blog.
date Posted: Jan 02, 2006 11:36 PM
I just wrot a blog on one of the ways hyperspace engines might work, I hope you enjoy.
  JOHNNAGE_THE_BRAVE
I came, I saw..... It was OK....
date Posted: Jan 02, 2006 11:37 PM
cling tenaciously to my buttocks!

Both of them?
  mptdr666@wmconnect.com
date Posted: Jan 03, 2006 5:53 AM
there are things you must understand and alot of it i just can not spell watch discover when put on the alien shows some real some fact they pick apart albertinstiean on e =mc
  StarDestroyer24
date Posted: Jan 03, 2006 9:02 AM
"It would be impossible to move the DS, or any other ship for that matter through conventional means of acceleration. I mean at such a hugh accelleration rate, the crew would be squshed onto the bulkheads."

Two words: inertial dampeners
  Kenobi-fan
The Jundland Wastes Journal
date Posted: Jan 03, 2006 11:03 AM
The slowest terror the galaxy has ever seen!
Let's look at it more locally... Imagine someone told you a bulldozer sanctioned by the government was coming to knock down your home in 3-weeks, would you be stressed? Sure, you have enough time to move, but do you want to (by the way, you're not being compensated)? Knowing about a pending disaster you can't stop could be more terrifying than the actual event (maybe). It's the asteroid collision scenario...it's coming, there's nothing you can do, except maybe move out of the country (or world). Imagine the hardship and stress that would accompany such a decision. I've moved many times; even under the best of scenarios, it's often very tough.
  GotGate?
GotGate?'s AT-AT
date Posted: Jan 03, 2006 4:21 PM
talks about this in Rogue Planet. And Johnnage, if Yavin is a gas giant, wouldn't the laser go through the planet? Unless it had a solid core and the gases ignited.

I think the DS was so big it had its own gravitational pull. Look at what happened to Porkins.

Gas Giants have solid cores. It is the spinning of the core that allows a planet to have gravity, much like the Discovery in 2001: A Space Odyssey.

HAL: Dave, although you took thorough precautions in the pod against my hearing you, I could see your lips move.
  tycar_13
date Posted: Jan 03, 2006 5:06 PM
I read somewhere that the Death Star does have a hyperdrive. I think it was in [i}Star Wars: The Ultimate Visual Guide.
  Stormtrooper_TK41
date Posted: Jan 03, 2006 5:32 PM
yah thats wat they just said like 3 times up there...:p
  Galactic_Force_Fighter701
date Posted: Jan 03, 2006 6:45 PM
In space, things obviously float. I'd have to study this more, and I'm sure there is an explanation. If it hs controls to blst objects, i'm sure it hs controls to move.
  LordImperator
date Posted: Jan 03, 2006 7:01 PM
Even if the gas giant had no solid core (debateable) the gases should refract/scatter the beam
  SWidiotRM
date Posted: Jan 03, 2006 7:03 PM
SPACEBALLS rocks! BTW i heard that Spaceballs 2: Da Search for more Money is being made
  GADMDrakon
date Posted: Jan 03, 2006 8:11 PM
Okay, I'm sorry, but you need to do your research a little better. The Death Star DOES have a hyperdrive, and sublight engines. as is stated in the Essential guide to Ships and Vehicles and in the NEW Essential Guide to Ships and Vehicles. I dont mean to be critical, but its called common sence. of course it has engines, it just wasn't stated because it should have been self-explainitory.
  Bai Ahzur
Bai Ahzur's usless, but hopefully entertaining, yet somewhat eneventful, however rewarding, blog.
date Posted: Jan 03, 2006 8:26 PM
Inertial dampers? Why didn't I think of that.
  sithspawn191
date Posted: Jan 03, 2006 9:47 PM
im tired

but think about it like this:

The Empire spent 20+ years designing the DS. As we see in the end of AOTC, they atleast had a general idea of what they were going to do, and, as i just read about 45 minutes ago in the new Insider (issue85) :the empire ran many secret tests and had a few cheaper prototypes of the DS. Obviously when your testing a huge space station that your planning on using to destroy things, you have ppl finding the little errors that can cost many lives *cough* exhaust ports *cough*. In those twenty years between ROTS and ANH the Empire wasnt just fooling around
  DarthCannabis0
date Posted: Jan 04, 2006 3:58 AM
I didn't even realize that something of that compacity could enter lightspeed. And wasn't it still incomplete? Wouldn't it have fallen apart? I dunno. And I would love to see a SpaceBalls II. That would be hilarious...well maybe. LOL!
  Crazy_Jedi_Ducky_00
date Posted: Jan 04, 2006 5:40 AM
i always wondered about that too
  jedimasterbird
date Posted: Jan 04, 2006 5:44 AM
5 words: Star Wars Incredible Cross-Sections. It says this: "Ion engine's hyperdrives and hanger bays ring the stations equatorial trench". Now that means 160 kilometers worth of engines and hyperdrives. Plus what did the rebels target: an exhaust port, exhaust ports get rid of the left over gases from: wait for it engines! So the Death Star DID have engines.
  Behemiel
date Posted: Jan 04, 2006 8:10 AM
Well that is more then abvious dont you think. And thaks for the explanation jedimaster. Now I think he got it lol :)
  JediDenton43
date Posted: Jan 04, 2006 8:25 AM
Let me ask you a question. How can you call youself a starwars fan and NOT KNOW THIS? I mean even I know that.
  darthjack66
Jedi Temple Invader
date Posted: Jan 04, 2006 9:56 AM
The officers on the Death Star positioned it that way. Yeah it's slow, but it is intimidating.
  medleystudios172
date Posted: Jan 04, 2006 10:10 AM
Part 1

Just a quick note about traveling through hyperspace. It's not traveling through real space. Therefore, the miniscule amounts of hydrogen particles and what-not are not a factor.

It's a bit like being out of phase with reality. So you can pass through objects of negligible gravity. That negates any resistance, hence why you can travel ####her and faster with the same amount of effort.
  medleystudios172
date Posted: Jan 04, 2006 10:10 AM
Part 2

Analogy: you want to get from your car to your front porch on an extremely windy day. It would take you a little more effort than if you had no wind. For this analogy to work, you have to assume that all interstellar travel is equated to walking on a windy day. When you engage the hyperdrive, you simply remove the resistance of that wind. However, you loose the ability to steer and do not remove solid obstacles, hence why you have to come out of hyperspace for vector changes and why gravity wells of stellar objects like planets, supernovas, etc. have to be avoided.
  medleystudios172
date Posted: Jan 04, 2006 10:11 AM
Part 3

Imagine you have to walk around a tree when you're walking from your car to the porch. You have to let the wind come back when you get to the tree so you can walk around it.

Obviously this is not a 1 to 1 analogy since traveling in hyperdrive's decrease in travel time is a FAR greater ratio than if you removed wind form a windy day... if the Death Star traveled from Alderaan to Yavin IV in sublight, it would take years. LOTS of years.

Of course, this all about observations based on dialogue and visual evidence from the films. There is no attempt to make a corollary to real world physics since George Lucas has repeatedly said Star Wars physics and real world physics do not operate the same way.
  darth funky disco
date Posted: Jan 04, 2006 11:33 AM
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  Stormtrooper_TK41
date Posted: Jan 04, 2006 12:09 PM
okay...?:|
  Jawa-powa
date Posted: Jan 04, 2006 1:33 PM
If you think the Death Star is slow, well the planets it has the ability to destroy as it's tactic are much much slower, eh.
And any-sized ships that come in it's highly guarded range get blown away by that
supa-lasa, whther or not after being caught by the tractor beam.

It's pretty darn effective regardless of speed. It's objective was destroying planets suspiciously home to rebel bases or any other form of opposition to the Empire. Even if many could evacuate by the time it arrived, still it would "spell certain doom...."
  MattiasNilsson_Mercenary
Ideas for possible future Star Wars games
date Posted: Jan 04, 2006 1:38 PM
Let's just say it was magic, the magic of make-believe.
  Ello137
Apocalypse Later
date Posted: Jan 04, 2006 1:53 PM
Also, the manuvering systems of the ships is never explained. Sometimes manuvering jets are mentioned, but if so, they are tiny. Providence class cruisers have fins. The etheric rudder allows spaceships to act like atmospheric fighters. don't ask.
  JediPumpkin55
Jedi Pumpkin Patch
date Posted: Jan 04, 2006 2:15 PM
Maybe it had the thrusters all over not just in the back of it. That way it could move in all directions.
  Belekano-tur
date Posted: Jan 04, 2006 2:43 PM
Personnally, I think the Death Star Prototype sounded like it was moving pretty fast in Champions of the Force in the Jedi Academy Trilogy.
  Belekano-tur
date Posted: Jan 04, 2006 2:45 PM
But, then again, it wasn't carrying thousands of Tie Fighters, scores of Star Destroyers, and more than a million personnel.
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