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Master Vernun Linde - Keeper of the Force Archives and the Journal of the Wills
by: jbl_usa
date posted: Oct 11, 2005 8:06 AM
Yoda: WISDOM before POWER and SKILL
I thought I should write my very first blog as if I had written thousands already. There is no reason for a commemorative beginning. With that in mind, this is a blog in answer to a question lifted by SithSkywalker8 in his blog at http://blogs.starwars.com/countofserreno/

The Yoda VS. Sidious fight has not to do with lightsaber skill....

I agree completely. However, offer a broader reason than he does:

ABOUT THE SITH PREPARATION
I have a few points to make from my extensive knowledge of the expanded Universe, all I can say about this situation is that the Sith spent 1000 years preparing in secret for the exact moment where Darth Sidious rises to power. One thousand years spent in secrecy to reach the destruction of all Jedi through the most powerful master and apprentice possible. One thousand years spent in preparation to come up with a perfect plan of seduction, luring, intrigue, betrayal. The Jedi had no chance as it were because both Sidious and Vader were part of a millennium of preparation. The Jedi had no chance because instead of preparing for the this future they spent 1000 years preparing for another Sith War like it was said already.

ABOUT THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN ROTS AND OTHER SITH VS. JEDI EVENTS:
The Sith War was fought by thousands of Jedi against thousands of Sith. This event was only two most powerful users of the force and the jedi. The Jedi had no chance because the conflict was completely different. The Dark Power was fully concentrated and channeled in unison to ONE purpose: The destruction of the Jedi. It was never so before. It can be argued that Exar Kun worked separate from Ulic. The Sith War's Siths were simply too many. Sidious and Vader in the other hand had all the politic power, the element of surprise (that caught every single Jedi except for Yoda), and most important, complete control of the Force which the Jedi depended on. Jedi were fighting blind and crippled.

ABOUT TRAINING:
Someone argued Jedi could not have been trained differently. That is not true. Yoda himself fled not just because he realized he could not win due to the Dark Lords complete control of the force at that point, just as it was said before. Even if he could not win, he would have fought to the end and tried. "Try you will not. Do it or do it not." That is Yoda's philosophy. Yoda fled because he had an idea. He realized they should have been trained different indeed and that if he died, his idea would die with him. That is why Yoda fled. It had less to do with power and skill than with wisdom. Yoda fled because only he at that point knew what to do.

ABOUT MACE, ANAKIN, AND SIDEOUS
As to the confrontation between Mace and Sideous and Anakin goes... Sideous knew Anakin was coming. Mace beat Sideous only because he mastered a fighting style that was superior to all others and that "USED THE DARK SIDE" by definition so that he could channel the power of Sideous in his favor. Nevertheless, Sideous did not care; in fact, he knew that would happen and that it would provide the perfect situation for Anakin's fall. It was all planed, even his defeat. It is not that he let Mace win. It is more that he knew Mace would and that Anakin would be there in the right moment to rise as Vader.

Now the most important point:

WHAT DID YODA KNOW THAT MADE HIM LEAVE?
He knew, like it has been said, that one lone candle is enough to falter the dark. He was this candle. However, he did not have enough light to defeat darkness. He needed to keep his light on enough to wait for the moment where the right light would destroy the Sith: ANAKIN SKYWALKER was the only one who could destroy the Sith. His revelation was that the only way to destroy those who controlled the force was that the destruction was to come from within. Yoda never meant for Luke to defeat Sideous or Vader. If he could not, why would Luke? Too old, too impatient, too much of everything wrong? Nevertheless, Luke had something he could never have. LOVE. He had this bond with Vader that would be enough to ignite Stars! Even dead stars like the one in Anakin's heart (from the Novel as well). Luke's love (or that of Leia's had Luke failed) was the last hope for the Galaxy. The Jedi were trained wrong because they were trained to avoid loving. It is because of Love, arguably that Obi-Wan became what he did by the end of ROTS. IT was because of Love that Luke ignited something in Vader. Love brought Vader back from the Dark to the light. Then Vader from inside, destroyed the Sith. By the way, in the entire old trilogy, Luke is being manipulated by Yoda and Obi-Wan. They too had time to prepare. They are not training him to defeat Vader but to seduce him, literally, to love. The reason why Luke was not ready to confront Vader on ESB is that it would not be the appropriate situation for Luke to seduce Vader. The Emperor was not even there! Yoda knew then Luke would fail. He could never beat the Dark Side. Only Vader could. Even if he had beaten Vader (which would not have happened then) he could not destroy Sideous alone. The Emperor would win. In ROTJ they encouraged him to destroy Vader, otherwise the Emperor would win. Why? Because now it was the appropriate moment and they needed to put Luke in a situation where his demise would make Vader's love rise to destroy the Sith.

YES YODA WAS WISE!!
To put it simply. Yoda was even wiser than he was skilled or powerful. In the midst of the dark he saw the light for long enough to realize there was only one thing he needed to do. Flee and create a plan to destroy the Sith from within. The Force provided him with just that, through Amidala's love.

LOVE was the answer in the star wars universe. An answer that the Jedi did not have. They needed a new bread of Jedi. They needed Luke to bring Anakin back

RojoTrooper
Star Wars Recycled Art Project
date Posted: Oct 11, 2005 8:52 AM
Great Blog..

I agree.. Yoda had a moment of realization during his battle with Sidious.. If he dies.. Who will sow the seed of the Future Generation of Jedi?
Pulling Back seemed the only logically step..

Yoda's Master Plan to defeat Sidious through Reedeming Anakin through the twins..would work better than trading blows with Sidious..

Anakin Skywalker was the Chosen One.. "There is good in him"... He will bring balance to the Force..
Yoda and Obi Wan were going to find it.. and Luke and Leia would be the way..
Thanks,
CE
DJ Maul: Got Feet?
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date Posted: Oct 11, 2005 9:03 AM
interesting read, thanks.
  shatterpoint282
''This Party's Over ''
date Posted: Oct 11, 2005 9:28 AM
Awesome blog . But they wouldn't have needed Luke if Anakin hadn't turned.
  jbl_usa
Master Vernun Linde - Keeper of the Force Archives and the Journal of the Wills
date Posted: Oct 11, 2005 9:34 AM
To everyone who is interested. Come back later for a read on why Anakin was destined to fall and later return to the light.
  jainasolo104
date Posted: Oct 11, 2005 9:54 AM
Awsome blog jbl_usa,that is just spectacular.:D
lovelucas
date Posted: Oct 11, 2005 10:26 AM
good one...thanks for make concise and precise what took me pages and pages to get to the same point.
  Pvt. Pile
date Posted: Oct 11, 2005 3:18 PM
I commented on what you wrote on another blog similar to this, thats why I'm writing this comment. If what you say is true about Sidious planning for muliple futures, than what whould be a back-up plan if Anakin did not show to save him from Mace. And if there is no other solution for beating Mace for the sole reason that he was out sabered. Is Sidious obnipitant? By the way your blogs are some of the best.
  jbl_usa
Master Vernun Linde - Keeper of the Force Archives and the Journal of the Wills
date Posted: Oct 11, 2005 3:33 PM
To everyone who is interested in a background of the discussion of this topic, please refer to link posted above. Now that we are discussing it here...

I would say that it makes no sense to discuss what would have happened if this would not have happened. This is a kind of philosophical question that often sidetracks the issue. What happened, happened and that's it. That is why I dislike Infinities titles, at least when they influence the understanding of normal chronology.
  jbl_usa
Master Vernun Linde - Keeper of the Force Archives and the Journal of the Wills
date Posted: Oct 11, 2005 3:34 PM
But to discuss your concern. To put it simply, Sidious is not omnipotent. No one in the Star Wars universe is. He was simply more powerful or better prepared at the point. Having said that. He planned as much as he could. He knew Anakin would tell Mace, that Mace would probably tell Anakin to stay (and if he didn't he would have been stupid for obvious reasons), he bet that Anakin would not resist coming to Padme's rescue, he chose the setting, he chose to stay and loose. After 1000 years of preparation, these choices cannot be considered dangerous. He was simply betting on probability and apparently he did so right.
  jbl_usa
Master Vernun Linde - Keeper of the Force Archives and the Journal of the Wills
date Posted: Oct 11, 2005 3:34 PM
He decided to take the risk because he was so confident that Anakin would show up. But to entertain your question, I am sure he would have just run or confronted Mace in another way that gave him an edge like any other Sith Lord would try to do. One could say he was proud of his Master Plan (eventually in ROTJ this would bring his downfall when probability did not account for love and he was caught by surprise). In general he planed so well that he did not need a plan B. But I am sure he had one such as running or choosing a different fight.
  Pvt. Pile
date Posted: Oct 11, 2005 4:23 PM
so.... Sidious threw the fight only when he knew Anakin was there to interveen and probably would not have found himself on his back with a Violet saber in his face if Anakin did not show. "What if's makes these blogs interesting" and are you ever wrong? you seem to know what your talking about
  jbl_usa
Master Vernun Linde - Keeper of the Force Archives and the Journal of the Wills
date Posted: Oct 11, 2005 4:36 PM
Of course I can be wrong. After all, in this universe, even more so than in the Star Wars one, no one is omniscient. I agree that what if's make blogs interesting but the question at hand is that the Sith were more powerful and better prepared to it suffices to say they took everything into consideration, made sure things went their way, and had prepared for all alternatives. Sidious came clean at the exact moment he thought it was best. He knew Anakin would tell Mace, who would come to him and tell Anakin to stay, but that Anakin would come anyways to save Padme and would not dare be too late. Anakin did so as soon as he sensed things turning against the Emperor. Palpatine knew counted on that after years of preparation as his base.
  jediknight2210
Where did you dig up that old fossil?
date Posted: Oct 11, 2005 6:20 PM
One of the best blogs in a while. Hands down. You did such a great job here, never got boring, I never once thought "oh great another Sidious vs Yoda blog.." I really hope you keep these kinda blogs up. Thank you!
  Pvt. Pile
date Posted: Oct 11, 2005 7:50 PM
I have to ask you a off topic Eu question that has been on my mind for some time. I tried to reserch the answer myself but I am unable to find it. In the book Rogue Planet there is a Blood Carver by the name Ke Daiv, he ends up being Anakin's first kill. He is was not killed by any weapons and it said that his body looked very battered. My guess is that Anakin used force lightning without knowing how he did it. Am I right? And if I am, that's freakin' sweet, i mean Anakin useing Dark powers before he is trained to even use a light saber. Once again sorry for being off topic but I thought you could help me.
  jbl_usa
Master Vernun Linde - Keeper of the Force Archives and the Journal of the Wills
date Posted: Oct 18, 2005 2:30 AM
Yes totally off-topic. In the future just contact me via e-mail with such questions. But to address it briefly, (sorry i didnt do it earlier)...

I believe the text leaves it vague on purpose. The author wants to leave room for our imagination to work. I see 4 possibilitites.

1) Anakin beat him up
2) Anakin use force lightning
3) Anakin used force constriction
4) Anakin's rage made the force converge in an event similar to what is seen in the end of EP3 only the victim was inanimate.

Personally I believe the order of possibility is 4 > 3 >1 >2. No official word exists on the topic however. This is all conjecture.

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