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 | Seven Piecesdate posted: Apr 15, 2006 9:59 AM | updated: Jul 29, 2006 10:02 PM |

 | Saka Dawa |
 The 15th day of the 4th month on the Tibetan calendar is Saka Dawa; the day of Buddha's birth, enlightenment, and death. How he fit it all in one day is beyond the scope of my feeble little dualistic reality which is still steeped in the loop of cause and effect, but nevertheless it's the day these occasions are observed.
The life of Siddhartha Gautama is a life of extremes. From an isolated and protected naïve young prince, shocked and appalled at the death, decay and suffering right outside the palace walls, to the starved and weakened ascetic with no belongings... after realizing he couldn't think without something to eat, he found a middle path in contemplating existence, which soon led to the becoming of the "awakened one", or the Buddha.
The Buddha's realizations were that; life is suffering, suffering stems from desire, the end of desire leads to the end of suffering, and the path to end suffering is discipline and meditating on compassion.
For the thousands of years since the Buddha's time, generations of countless beings have followed the path exemplified by the Buddha in the quest for "ultimate truth", to alleviate suffering and find meaning... and then the nothingness of existence.
Anything familiar here?
We know George Lucas extracted ideas from the different cultures, religions, philosophies and mythologies of the world. Since my perspective and experience comes more from Buddhist philosophy than any western religion, the Buddhist parallels in Star Wars tend to scream out at me.
Anakin Skywalker, "The Chosen One", was not fully awakened to the prophecy of his life (which misread, may have been), until he was enlightened by true compassion, and overcame his desires.
Anakin also lived a life of extremes. He experienced ultimate suffering in his life, which is like a parallel of all human suffering in life. We have duality; pleasure and pain. Not one without the other.
Did Anakin have to experience the most extreme suffering in order to finally experience the ultimate "bliss" of enlightened compassion? Well, I don't know the answer! But maybe... from a certain point of view of course. But Anakin's suffering had origins, a cause... his desires; to save the ones he loved, to have the power to do so. The Chosen One had karma.
The Jedi Order itself is similar to Buddhist society and monastic life (also known as "the Order" loosely) in a lot of ways. The meditation and selflessness in working toward the well being of others is most obvious (at least to me and my perspective).
In Buddhist cultures, especially Tibetan, to send one of your children, usually a male, to the monastary at a very young age and devote their life to spiritual practice (which in turn produces a vehicle to work toward the well being of the community), is the commonplace. Many of these children turned monk may never see their parents again, which a lot of western parents would find appalling. But its by choice. A monk can leave any time, and many have. But many have not. Somehow this kind of culture sustained itself for many millenia, by comparison you might say longer than many other cultural institutions.
As the rest of the world changed inevitably, Buddhist society has also been affected by change. While for many many years, isolation provided a pretty sturdy barrier to change, it started to become overdue. Perhaps the same as the stagnancy of the Jedi Order in the Clone War era. While the world around them changed dramatically, the time lasted tradition had to adapt - or die out.
To cling to the sameness of tradition and perceived rules, would be to conflict against the nature of the inevitability of change, and change cant truly be controlled (I dont know, can it?). Perhaps the Buddha found the aesthetic life too strict and resistant to change.
Almost 60 years ago, or so, the Chinese "Empire" sought to gain power and influence to protect certain (you might say "political") interests. Tibet, being nestled against China and the high walls of the Himalayas, were relatively isolated from the rest of the world. Its not to say they never "changed", but certainly some dramatic changes were going on around them, that provided a stark contrast to the long lasting cultural Buddhist spiritual tradition that had slowly evolved there. Maybe it was time for change.
The plight of the Tibetan people at this time is all too similar to the destruction of the Jedi Order in the Old Republic era. Being human, the Tibetans and the Jedi were resistant to having their life yanked out from under them, but it was also a quick surprise for both - and both had become somewhat blinded as to what was to become of them.
Initially, the destruction of the Jedi, and the near destruction of the Tibetan people and the Buddhist monastic culture it thrived upon, was an atrocious event. Similar to the awful destruction of a tsunami, but in the after math a newer, (maybe) better and adapted existence quickly evolves.
The Jedi came back but different, and with many lessons learned. Were the Jedi vengeful for what happened to them? Luke did not seek to destroy Anakin Skywalker, he sought to destroy the evil of Darth Vader and bring balance back to the Force, freeing the true compassion of Anakin in the process. Luke's compassion for his father, and lack of desire for revenge, changed the karmic cycle.
In the following decades (a pretty short amount of time if you think about it), Luke, along with help from Leia and others along the way, rebuilt the Jedi with the lessons of the past. The fight between good and evil will always go on, but the good has to adapt to the rapidly changing scheming nature of evil.
The Tibetans, and HH Dalai Lama went into exile. Those that stayed in Tibet initially denounced any allegiance to Buddhism and HHDL (by force). Tibetan Buddhism didnt die, it became somewhat stronger and is still changing in so many ways. In their exile, the culture and particular form of Buddhism (Buddhism existed elsewhere remember, and originated in India) was spread throughout the world. It caught on in many different cultures, but at the same time it adapted to the rest of the world and intelligently adapts to change.
One of the changes I like to point out is the rise of female Buddhist monasticism, that is only now starting to equalize with the monks. There were Buddhist nuns and religious figures in the past, in all of history, but it was minimalized at best for many centuries.
Luminous beings we are, not this crude matter...
So lets take a step back here for a moment and look at the similarities between the two main leaders of both orders here. With Buddhism, we have His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama
, and for the Jedi we have Yoda (I havent even gotten into the "Yoga of Yoda" yet - that will be another blog). The similarity of physical appearance is amazing enough! The Dalai Lama is considered an enlightened being. In fact, the test to find HHDL, and other Buddhist holy people, is somewhat similar to the test the Council gives young Anakin in TPM (Mace had that little screen with images that Anakin rattled off). The Buddhist test has the child in question choose an item from a collection. If the child chooses the item(s) that belonged to the lama before him, it means that child has inherited the spirit and consciousness of the now passed lama. Okay, not exactly the same as Mace's paddle test, but pretty close.
Can we consider Yoda an enlightened being? One has to wonder... then it throws me into a loop about whether enlightenment exists or if it would be the same in the GFFA.
Another funny little Buddhist thing I've seen in Star Wars is this immortality practice business. One of the more obscure and esoteric tantric practices in Dzogchen, allows for an enlightened individual to "rainbow body", where in the meditation the body dissolves into a rainbow of light, and you know.. becomes one with the universe. Sound familiar at all? There are records of such an occurrence from relatively recent history. Read more here (or Google it yourself).
There's many other "stories" from Buddhism about incredible superhuman like practices, like yogis who can run so fast you cant even see them, controlling bodily functions to where the vital signs are impalpable, endurance of extreme cold and heat... total Jedi stuff.
Matthew Bortolin wrote a book, The Dharma of Star Wars, which looks at a lot of correlations between Star Wars and the Jedi way and Buddhism, which I found pretty interesting. I've studied through a different Buddhist lineage than he, but I see a lot of the same connections. On the other hand there's a few points that I might disagree with or things that I see slightly differently (and other big points for me that he didnt touch upon). Anyway, I think Matthew used to roam these boards... if he still does - Hi! Wonder if he has a blog around here?
Back to the calendar thing...
The whole fourth month is in fact celebrated as Saka Dawa, and it is said all "good merit" is multiplied by 100,000 during this time (but so is bad merit). Before anyone runs out to look up the Buddhist definition of good and bad merit to start racking up points, there's plenty of time on the western calendar... The next "fourth month" doesn't start until May 28, 2006 and it ends on June 25, 2006.
The 15th day in every Tibetan month falls on a full moon, and the new moon marks the 30th day. Saka Dawa, the day and also the full moon (15th day of the 4th Tibetan month), actually falls on June 11, 2006. We are now in the Tibetan Year of the Fire Dog 2133, which began on the western date of February 28, 2006. Got all that?
The year isnt a calculation from the time of the Buddha, but instead the Tibetan calendar is calculated from a mix of Han and Vedic astrological systems, and based on solar-lunar dating for the purpose of estimating solar and lunar eclipses. The Buddha became enlightened, supposedly, during a full solar eclipse which allegedly increases one's intelligence by one million times.
What is it with this time stuff? Since today is the 15th day of the 4th month on the western calendar, I had to ponder it. Do the numbers translate at all? Can there be a cosmological connection between the western and Tibetan calendars?
Maybe there is some primordial reason that here in the USA, we have to submit our taxes by April 15. But what I really wanna know is if I get at least a few extra merits for being born on this day, even if by the western calendar. Sorry this was so long. Just a little birthday mental vomit for ya.
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Mando Crusader
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date Posted: Apr 15, 2006 11:00 AM
Happy Birthday JK!!! 
'Tis food for thought indeed... I shall sit beneath a tree and ponder it 
Very good blog btw
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Oboe-Wan Oboe-Wan's Hive of Scum & Villainy
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date Posted: Apr 15, 2006 11:01 AM
Hey! I get to be the first to comment on your blog and say HAPPY BIRTHDAY you lucky dog you.
There was just an article in this month's National Geographic about Buddhism in modern times. So it is extra cool for me to read this blog.
GL certainly did his homework with the films and Buddhism seems to have the most influence on these films. Fascinating!!
After reading this blog, I feel like dropping to my knee: "I pledge myself to your teachings, Master..." Tell me MORE!!!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY again 
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DarthVicomte Vicomte's Blog Extravaganza (Now Defunct)
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date Posted: Apr 15, 2006 11:23 AM
Buddhism, eh? Don't know much about it, myself, 'cept that there were some Buddhists back in the day that made insense that cause minor brain damage. They were pretty hardcore.
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jkelly There Is No Conflict
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date Posted: Apr 15, 2006 11:27 AM
Good stuff. Thanks, I'll go look at this. You've given a lot with which to get started. I hadn't heard the "rainbow" story, but stories of guys who just walked off into the mountains in a similar manner.
You're probably better able to comment on this than I am. I tried to blog on it, but it fell short. So here's a question/ idea:
The body as the "doorway" to the "other side." I mean, we need the body to get there, right? We couldn't do it without our conscious existence, which requires the mortal/ terrestial form. To me, it's key, and a good thing -- much more than "crude matter" which is a phrase I'm liking less and less.
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Kenobi-fan The Jundland Wastes Journal
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date Posted: Apr 15, 2006 12:22 PM
Luke did not seek to destroy Anakin Skywalker, he sought to destroy the evil of Darth Vader
I will take some minor exception to this statement, jk. Luke avoided doing exactly that...in fact, it's exactly what the Emperor wanted (as Anakin destroyed Dooku previously). Luke's journey is one that culminates in the release of fear (of death) and desire (to destroy and obtain power and praise) making him even more 'enlightened' than he first appears. In throwing his weapon away, Luke acknowledged what Yoda discovered in Ep III (novel)...violence feeds the Dark Side. Only by releasing this hunger, this fear, this desire, was Luke able to inspire his father to fulfill his true destiny: bringing balance back to the Force.
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anakinside1 Echoes from the Asteroid Field
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date Posted: Apr 15, 2006 2:03 PM
Happy Birthday
I have often thought about Yoda's status as an "enlightened being" in the SW saga. I know that he is considered a symbol of wisdom, but for me he's also a symbol of the Jedi stagnation in the PT (which he then carries over to the OT). Can you be enlightened and stuck in your ways at the same time? Can you be enlightened and flawed? Can you be enlightened and still need to learn something, like how he learned from Qui-Gon about how to become one with the force? I have to say that was when my respect for Yoda really increased when I saw him willing to learn from someone who had been beneath him in the hierarchy. Thanks for the thought provoking blog!
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Kenobi-fan The Jundland Wastes Journal
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date Posted: Apr 15, 2006 2:06 PM
Can you be enlightened and still need to learn something,
True wisdom and enlightenment is expressed through the acknowledgment that you don't know everything...in my opinion, of course.
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Graham 76 Confessions Of A Mindless Philosopher
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date Posted: Apr 15, 2006 3:10 PM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY jk!!!
I don't know Jack about Buddhism, but this is a fantastic and "enlightening" entry jk.
As you explore more of the EU, jk, you will see just how enlightened Yoda really was. He might have offered Luke some sage advice, but he (and Obi-Wan) really only gave Luke enough training to complete his task, which was (in their eyes) to destroy Darths Vader and Sidious.
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Graham 76 Confessions Of A Mindless Philosopher
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date Posted: Apr 15, 2006 3:10 PM
The rest, Luke had to discover on his own, and rebuild a Jedi Order that was just as great as the one before. Yoda and Obi-Wan didn't interfere at all with Luke's building of the New Jedi Order. They trusted him not to repeat the mistakes that the Jedi had made in the past. Thus, this NJO is an ever evolving beast, that changes with the rest of the Galaxy around it. Whether or not that is a good thing, remains to be seen......
Finally managed to tear myself away from the SOAP blog jk!
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Apr 15, 2006 6:47 PM
GL certainly did his homework with the films and Buddhism seems to have the most influence on these films.
See, I dont really know how much it was "mostly" Buddhism. I have heard GL to be called a "Methodist-Buddhist", whatever that means. I come from a Buddhist background, so everything in SW seems "Buddhist" to me - ya know? I dont know if someone who grew up Catholic, or other religion, might see outstanding resemblences to their religion. "From a certain point of view" indeed.
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Apr 15, 2006 6:53 PM
The body as the "doorway" to the "other side."...We couldn't do it without our conscious existence, which requires the mortal/ terrestial form.
That sounds like a question of our perception of reality. We have these bodies that we recognize and differentiate, its part of understanding - no? We live in duality in this way, in our consciousness. There is "this" as opposed to "that" (rocks and trees, pain and happiness). But if you think about it (meditate maybe), what is this and that? If there's no this and that, then what is there?
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Apr 15, 2006 7:04 PM
Only by releasing this hunger, this fear, this desire, was Luke able to inspire his father to fulfill his true destiny...
Please forgive the crude choice of words in saying "destroy". I was actually meaning the same as what you say here K-fan. Or were you agreeing with me?
he's also a symbol of the Jedi stagnation... Can you be enlightened and stuck in your ways at the same time?
And HHDL sort of went through the same thing. I would look at enlightenment as not being so static, like all of a sudden - Boom! Bliss no matter what forever. So yes... to have a "higher understanding" and remain in a dualistic world, maybe there is the ebb and flow of change for enlightened beings too.
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Apr 15, 2006 7:12 PM
Its hard to point to what the perameters of enlightenment is, seeing as its so "luminous" as the Force, Nirvana, God etc. To "have it" could mean to teeter between planes of consciousness (doorways jkelly!). How can our rational mind understand rationally, something completely beyond rationality? I ask all these questions with no real answer!
Thanks for the B-day wishes
G - What you describe is one of the main reasons I started reading the EU. I also wanted to see Leia use a lightsaber too.
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anakinside1 Echoes from the Asteroid Field
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date Posted: Apr 15, 2006 7:16 PM
So yes... to have a "higher understanding" and remain in a dualistic world, maybe there is the ebb and flow of change for enlightened beings too.
Then maybe there's hope for me yet!
True wisdom and enlightenment is expressed through the acknowledgment that you don't know everything...in my opinion, of course.
That's probably why I like Yoda so much more in the moment where he allows himself to be taught by Qui-Gon. It's much clearer in the novel, but he really acknowledges his blindness to Qui-Gon's greatness while he was still alive.
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rj_peters Memos from the Imperial Finance Department
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date Posted: Apr 15, 2006 8:05 PM
Thought provoking stuff, jk. I enjoyed it quite a bit.
I would look at enlightenment as not being so static, like all of a sudden - Boom! Bliss no matter what forever.
In God Is For Everyone by Paramhansa Yogananda, there are two chapters that always stuck with me: Pleasure is Counterfeit Happiness and Happiness is Counterfeit Bliss. I agree that bliss probably isn't an 'aha' type thing.
On the SW front, Yoda goes through an interesting arc in the movies. He is wise, but blind in many areas in I-III. He really is 'enlightened' by his battle with Palpatine and then by Qui-Gon. By V & VI, he's just trying to hang on and help end this terrible pain that the galaxy is feeling and that he couldn't stop.
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Rive Caedo Rive's Uncharted Settlements
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date Posted: Apr 15, 2006 8:19 PM
We are now in the Tibetan Year of the Fire Dog 2133
The future is now!.. er... The present is now. But it sounds cooler that way.
I'm officially creating a new calender system.
This shall now be known as, "The Caedian Year of the Eternal Wombat, 3015"
Excellent entry and I dare not elaborate or comment on any specific point because the extent of my Buddhist knowledge is probably the fact that Lisa Simpson is one. 
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Kenobi-fan The Jundland Wastes Journal
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date Posted: Apr 15, 2006 8:22 PM
Please forgive the crude choice of words in saying "destroy". I was actually meaning the same as what you say here K-fan.
I really like your blog, jk, and I wanted to be sure I understood what you were saying. For me, the word 'destroy' has a negative context and what Luke did was as 'positive' as you could get. I am inspired that GL's take that the greatest power his heroes have is the ability 'not to fight'. Both Kenobi and Luke allow their swords to fall and in both instances a great victory was achieved (aboard two different Death Stars). Kind of neat, isn't it? Two acts of bravery...and what's the result: the death of Death itself. Pretty Cool...and again, great blog!
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jkelly There Is No Conflict
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date Posted: Apr 15, 2006 8:26 PM
I dont know if someone who grew up Catholic, or other religion, might see outstanding resemblences to their religion.
You're right, growing up Catholic, I see a lot of Catholocism -- a little more of the "old stuff" before the Reformation. Not the bad stuff right before, but the really old stuff. I also see a lot of mysticism, meaning a "direct relationship with God" -- which I believe is common to a lot of theologies. Philosophically, I've noticed a lot of Ockham's Razor.
If there's no this and that, then what is there?
You're messing with my mind again. Is this part of your KGB training?
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Apr 15, 2006 8:27 PM
Then maybe there's hope for me yet!
It has so much to do with intentions, and what you allow yourself to beleive I think.
He is wise, but blind in many areas in I-III
He was blinded, and that ignorance was his karma. But his reactions to the truth were also a "shatterpoint", and what makes him so wise. 900 years of practice doesnt hurt there either.
The Caedian Year of the Eternal Wombat, 3015
Im liking it. All hail the Eternal Wombat!
or comment on any specific point
Whatev - Im no expert either. We're all a bunch of amateurs.
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Apr 15, 2006 8:35 PM
Thanks KF
For me, the word 'destroy' has a negative context and what Luke did was as 'positive' as you could get. I am inspired that GL's take that the greatest power his heroes have is the ability 'not to fight'
Yes - phew! We are on the same page. I was hoping it was understood with my wording that Luke was to "destroy" the evil, and not a sentient being.
Is this part of your KGB training?
Yes, the double secret underground Killers of Goober Brains society specializes in such things. I think I messed with my own mind with that statement too.
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darthgenious7 Chickens only cross the road after coercion.
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date Posted: Apr 15, 2006 11:35 PM
Luke was to "destroy" the evil, and not a sentient being.
Interestingly Buddha is often depicted with a sword not for battle mind you but for the representation of his teachings cutting the veils of ignorance. As a novice practicing Buddhist myself I enjoyed your blog I could have done without hearing how you think the Dalai Lama and Yoda look alike but hey humor is also an expression of love. One thing to keep in mind is there are many sects in Buddhism I studied everything I could before choosing which one had rules that I can adhere best to so that I could still raise my children without them I never would have found compassion in my heart they enlighten and teach me everyday more than war ever had.
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darthgenious7 Chickens only cross the road after coercion.
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date Posted: Apr 15, 2006 11:37 PM
True wisdom and enlightenment is expressed through the acknowledgment that you don't know everything...in my opinion, of course
Exactly. Enlightenment if nothing else teaches that there is always more to know.
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Kenobi-fan The Jundland Wastes Journal
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date Posted: Apr 16, 2006 8:22 AM
Exactly. Enlightenment if nothing else teaches that there is always more to know.
Palpatine makes an interesting comment in this regard:
"If one is to understand the great mystery, one must study all it's aspects..."
I tend to agree with Palps. Having said that, I don't believe it was his purpose to come to a greater understanding of the Force, so much as a greater understanding of how to USE it. See, blogs make me think....maybe too much so.
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Apr 16, 2006 3:31 PM
I dont think its too much Kf
Good to hear your story darthgenious. Yes there are many branches of Buddhism, just as there are many denominations of other religions. I tend to think of it all as a kind of cultural adjustment factor.
True wisdom and enlightenment is expressed through the acknowledgment that you don't know everything
Enlightenment if nothing else teaches that there is always more to know.
Not that I "know" enlightenment, but I agree with you both. Realizing there's much more that is not known and accepting that (but not letting that stop you from learning), is great wisdom.
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Apr 16, 2006 3:36 PM
Just to add, I chose the Tibetan example to look at what I think is an amazing similarity to what happens in the Star Wars saga, especially with the Chinese Empire and the exile of HHDL and many Tibetans. I didnt get into many details with that here, as this was sort of a blog with some scattered thoughts.
I could have done without hearing how you think the Dalai Lama and Yoda look alike
Jeepers. Hope you didnt find any malicious intent in that whatsoever!
I don't believe it was his purpose to come to a greater understanding of the Force, so much as a greater understanding of how to USE it.
Intention!
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The Stooge Star Wars Joke-A-Day
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date Posted: Apr 16, 2006 7:02 PM
Not much too mention -- interesting stuff, way outside my field of knowledge...
... and happy (belated) birthday!
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Darth Rex0 So be it....
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date Posted: Apr 17, 2006 5:18 AM
Happy B-day of course and great work. Like the Stooge, its outside my field of knowledge but very interesting nonetheless.
I like your take on the current situation in Tibet. I would never have made that comparison, but you did it very well.
Great blog as usual jk.
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Darth Vader Meditation Chamber
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date Posted: Apr 17, 2006 1:00 PM
Hey! Happy belated birthday!
I found your blog very interesting. After reading all that, it's hard for someone to say there are no similarities. Of course other religions would find a lot of similarities as well, but as far as I can tell, most of Star Wars theology is mostly based in eastern cultures with bits and pieces of all the others.
Really great blog!
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Apr 17, 2006 1:58 PM
Thanks for the kind words everyone. I was noticing a good amount of blogs and comments that associated SW with Catholic and Christian concepts, Im guessing because many bpeople here come from that background. I wanted to share all the Buddhist parallels I saw in the story, and maybe open up thinking about the way we perceive things. Just sort of an overview of another perspective here.
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amidalooine The Emotional Galaxy
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date Posted: Apr 17, 2006 9:54 PM
Really interesting stuff, jk, and as you know, I have no frame of reference whatsoever. You're really the first person I know to embrace Buddhism as you do. Good old cradle Catholic here...and I definitely see SW/Catholic parallels.
And another chance to say (belated) HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!
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Darth Rex0 So be it....
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date Posted: Apr 18, 2006 9:11 AM
I think the similarities we see in so many religions can be explained. Lucas was such a good student of Joseph Campbell who researched thousands of world relegions. What Campbell did was discover what all the stories had in common. He found a great deal that compared easily. I think Lucas took those simple things that are found in so many Religions and used them. I think you could make SW fit into alot of religions. The story is one we've all heard before (somewhat) regardless if your Cathiolic, Protestant, Muslim, Buddhist, etc.
Quit making me think Jk, it hurts.
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Apr 18, 2006 9:42 AM
Thanks ami.
Rex0 - I couldnt agree more. The diversity of SW is what makes it such a universal story, and appeals to a global audience. Maybe more so to the west, because of the medium of film, but also because we see more diverse populations in the western world as well.
One of the harder things I was dealing with is trying to make this seem not so "religious", and furthermore not in any way anti-other religion by contrast. There were some interesting cultural similarities I wanted to point out... I dont know, Im not a very religious type... spiritual and philosophical (and goofy) - yes.
Quit making me think Jk, it hurts
Try sitting quietly and not think! POW - youre a Buddhist
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jkelly There Is No Conflict
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date Posted: Apr 18, 2006 11:17 AM
Following up on some of the latter comments (and going way off-topic from the original blog entry), I was having a conversation with my wife about it the other night. She had asked if the Greco-Roman stories had religious value. When presented in a religious light, if at all, in most academic/ intellectual circles that she's seen, they're almost always decried as "mere" stories or myths used to explain a scientific principle (like Apollo's chariot or Persephone's kidnapping).
Are they more than simply philosophical fables? (Violation of one comment per entry rule ahead).
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jkelly There Is No Conflict
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date Posted: Apr 18, 2006 11:17 AM
I would answer yes, and this is proven by the fact that Christian neo-classicism was an attempt to make these old mythologies and philoshophies relevant. E.g., Plato's "Forms" transplanted onto Jesus as the ideal person. In a vain attempt to come full circle, I once again ask the esteemed author whether this is related to the "doorway" of which she speaks in response to my questions
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Apr 18, 2006 3:23 PM
Violation of one comment per entry rule ahead - Yessssss!
And the author's answer is... gosh-golly I sure think so
Put simply, the doorway seems like a matter of perception. That is the reality we can create, or choose to perceive in order to organize time and matter, and maybe to make sense of the ethereal. So the doorway to me, is a vehicle to connect from duality to non-dual.
What is mind? Doesn't matter!
What is matter? Never mind!
- Homer Simpson (I use this quote way too much)
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Apr 18, 2006 3:32 PM
Mythologies and religious icons etc. can be considered to be embodiments of concepts, but that doesnt make them less real IMO.
really good Buddhist...or a terrible one...depending upon the day!
LOL - Certainly good or bad is relative. HHDL is a big advocate of the interfaith dialogue. This is a point where I really feel Buddhism leans to the side of philosophy moreso than religion. It doesnt neccessarily offer answers, but encourages one to contemplate for themselves, using the tools you have. Maybe that tool can be Catholocism.
Especially when I play when my wife is talking to me......
Not sure what kind of karma you might be generating there Rex0
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jkelly There Is No Conflict
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date Posted: Apr 18, 2006 4:20 PM
Maybe that tool can be Catholocism.
I think that is precisely the attempt by the neo-classical movement before the Renaissance the and Reformation.
It doesnt neccessarily offer answers, but encourages one to contemplate for themselves
I've done these exercises; e.g., contemplating "one hand clapping" ["Here it is. Listen up, Lis!" ~Bart Simpson] and this is one of those areas where I see the psychological-physical-spiritual overlap. We know this and other exercises like breathing or chanting change things chemically, but is that a "doorway" to the spirit world or just a loss of gray matter that will haunt you when you're 80 and looking for those reading glasses that are still on top of your head?
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Diviner525 In the Flesh
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date Posted: Apr 18, 2006 6:58 PM
I really enjoy reading blogs like this. Great stuff jk.
If I remember right, the Four Noble Truths of Buddhism are:
1 Life is suffering
2 Suffering is due to attachment
3 Attachment can be overcome
4 There is a path for overcoming this
Now, that's some hardcore Jedi stuff right there. I do know some of Joseph Campbell's work and that GL was gung-ho for trying to understand all of that. Cheers jk! Coors Light on this end (as usual!)
D525.
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JediPug1 Like My Father Before Me
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date Posted: Apr 18, 2006 8:39 PM
Happy Belated Birthday, JK!
Interesting blog... I never really knew all that much about Buddhism, so I found this to be very educational.
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amidalooine The Emotional Galaxy
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date Posted: Apr 18, 2006 9:30 PM
Hmmmmmmm...Such an interesting subject...
I don't see Catholicism as a tool for me; rather, it's the outline into which my life fits. I don't like having to contemplate everything (even though I DO). Sometimes I like to be given the boundary lines and sent out to play...
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Darth Rex0 So be it....
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date Posted: Apr 19, 2006 5:47 AM
Not sure what kind of karma you might be generating there Rex0
My comment there was totally screwed up. I can't even imagine what the heck happened. It was supposed to say "especiall when my wife is talking to me". I think I was going to comment about video games or something and that is how the word play got in there.
*sticks head in sand*
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Apr 19, 2006 10:53 AM
is that a "doorway" to the spirit world or
You get to decide what it is and what it means, thats the beauty of it
D525 - yep, that sounds about right to me (4 Noble Truths) - I mentioned those in the 3rd paragraph in the blog. Desire = attachment too. Cheers mate.
JediPug1 - Glad to put an idea out there and have people be interested. Gosh golly!
ami - Just like any other religion or spiritual practice/discipline (Buddhism and Cath etc...), you can use the "rules" or interpret them your own way. At their core, Religions are basically the same - a connection to God or "godliness"... like the Force. The Force is very similar (to me) to the concept of the "non-dual" in Buddhism.
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Apr 19, 2006 10:59 AM
... sort of like "God" but (again, to me) without a body, face or human characteristics. It
I think I was going to comment about video games or something and that is how the word play got in there.
Get yer purple head out of the sand Rex0. I got the general idea from your comment  Who needs all those pesky extra words anyway. See? Your so enlightened!
I would love to hear more about this esoteric practice of yours... "the Zen of video games" and how you can filter stuff out to acheive a higher... level.
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Darth Rex0 So be it....
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date Posted: Apr 20, 2006 9:42 AM
I would love to hear more about this esoteric practice of yours... "the Zen of video games" and how you can filter stuff out to acheive a higher... level.
Sure. Its called Lego Star Wars. Instead of clearing your mind of all thoughts, I choose to have one focus and clear the rest of my mind. My focus? Finding those pesky pieces to unlock everything. Sure, I could cheat and go to cheatplanet.com and find the codes, but that is not enlightening. This game is so addictive. Its like Mario Bros. for SW.
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gold5 I lost Tiree, lost Dutch!..or How I learned to stop worrying and love the Death Star.
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date Posted: Apr 20, 2006 10:05 AM
George was good friends with Joseph Campbell and heavily intrested into religions and mythos of our world. I have been thinking of blog on just this subject. Maybe I will get to it.
Wouldn't a true buddhist teach what they have learned then tell the student "now disregard everything"
Amidalooline
I don't see Catholicism as a tool for me; rather, it's the outline into which my life fits
Its a good way to look at it. Read my new blog. It seems a little off subject but I as I say in the end I meant it to apply unversally.
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Apr 20, 2006 2:14 PM
I pledge myself to your teachings Rexo. Got an X-Box for me now that I've signed up (or a kick @ss PC, or PS2)?
Wouldn't a true buddhist teach what they have learned then tell the student "now disregard everything"
I think that would be a bit antithetical, just to call someone a "true" Buddhist. But yeah, thats sort of the quintissential zen master teaching. For example: You must unlearn what you have learned.
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