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 | Seven Piecesdate posted: Jun 11, 2006 7:09 PM | updated: Jun 11, 2006 9:46 PM |

 | The Yoga of Yoda |
Found someone you have...
Today seems like a good day to reflect upon the lessons of our teachers, be mindful of what we've learned and possibly gain even more insight. To what? Anything... and maybe nothing.
Actually, any day is a great day to do that. Being the armchair Buddhist and mindless philosopher that I am, I figured I'd finally put up this thing I've been thinking about writing for a long time. Add to my list of credentials that I have Star Wars perma-brain.
Today marks the date on the Tibetan calendar of Saka Dawa when the birth, enlightenment and death of the Shakyamuni Buddha is celebrated. I made a stab at speculating this previously, on the western calendar marking of the 15th day of the 4th month. The Tibetan calendar works out a little differently.
I don't presume to have a clear understanding of what that all means: Why celebrate? Why this day? Well, the full moon has something to do with it I guess. Eastern science, mysticism and philosophy is deeply integrated with astrology and cosmology, perhaps as are the ways of the Jedi in the GFFA.
The observance at least brings a consciousness to teachers and guides, their teachings, and the example of their lives. After going through the motions today of contemplating some in-universe dharma, as usual I am taken back to the teachings of Star Wars and more specifically that quintessential Zen alien.
The Yoda Sutra has been a guide for me throughout my life. Even though little green man comes from a fictional universe - unless George Lucas really is an alien telling us a true story that our limited perception can only comprehend as fictional metaphors - his words have affected my real life outlook in many ways, and ways that are often changing.
Full of contradictions is Yoda, but does that negate his teachings, or does it challenge one to see things from more than one narrow perspective.... or point of view. After growing up with the Yoda of the OT, the PT cast a whole different light on Yoda. Another event of note is that I grew up somewhere between the OT and the PT, again from a certain point of view of course. I can't remember what, if anything, Yoda's teachings to Luke meant to me as a kid, but maybe more importantly I thought about what they meant, and the conclusions keep on evolving - especially as I accrue more experiences that they can be applied to.
Lost yet? Good.
Oh, no. We'll never get it out now.
So certain are you. Always with you it cannot be done. Hear you nothing that I say?
Master, moving stones around is one thing. This is totally different.
No! No different! Only different in your mind. You must unlearn what you have learned.
All right, I'll give it a try.
No! Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.
Those are probably the most famous words of Yoda: Do. Or do not. There is no try. In essence, it implies some pretty circular thinking. We can't really say whether something is or isn't done until we get the final result, so all we can really do is try, right? If that's what you beleive, then so it is.
I see that some fans take these words of Yoda to be an absolute, which would contradict what Obi Wan says only the Sith deal in. Sure, that's one way to look at it... in absolute terms. But Luke also had an absolute way of thinking...
You want the impossible
What are the limits of possibility? Perhaps that in which we have physical proof or experience. Pesky space-monkey mind goes into overdrive looking for rationality.
I don't believe it.
That is why you fail.
Whatever Yoda said before that, it was hearing that last line as a kid that triggered the liberation of my imagination, which continues to have an affect on my approach to everyday life. All I gotta do is beleive! As the years went by I realized there was a lot more I had to do in addition. I came to realize something about intention, which made some sense of Yoda's teaching of 'do or do not' - at least to me in my experience.
Control, control. You must learn control
I grew up using my Force abilities somewhat recklessly. I bruised and battered my body, felt little pain and always bounced back resiliently. I didn't understand my powers, and sometimes my misuse of them brought me dangerously close to a dark path that could forever dominate my destiny.
As fate would have it, I became a bit older and some body parts rebelled against my recklessness, telling me to seek disciplined Jedi training. " Yoga... you seek yoga"... and I soon fell into a deep rooted lineage and traditional practice.
After entering this practice with a specific physical purpose that proved itself very effective, I later began to wake up to the underlying philosophy and background. My intentions started to change and the meaning of the practice evolved. Just as Luke entered his training with a somewhat narrow and limited idea of what he was getting into and why, it began to unfold for him as he accepted his training. It even caused him to approach his training differently through time, blossoming from Yoda's early teaching on intention.
I began my padawan training relatively late in life, as did Luke. I also began my training with a somewhat different perspective and approach than what would have been normal in traditional yoga. For a good long time in the eastern world, yoga has been a general term for the way in which one lives their life. Different levels of aeseticism would manifest certain yogic practices, one of which entails a specific physical regimen (the specifics started to vary amongst lineages).
In more recent history, yogic philosophy and tradition made its way to the west and my physical point of entry has become the norm. Be it for healing purposes or building that "yoga butt", westerners have picked up on yoga, made it into a craze and yoga has actually adapted somewhat because of it. The head of my lineage has commented on this before, and his views have even changed. Where once he was skeptical that people were starting a physical yoga practice for the wrong reasons, like vanity, he also has seen people come for many different reasons. As well, many who approach it with one reason, however superficial, often come to discover the vastness of yogic philosophy.
The physical aspect has been a point of entry to a larger world of understanding for many westerners. At the same time, many people won't get too far beyond the physical. In some ways the latter party threatens the integrity of many of the traditional practices. The detrimental effects of resistance to change is a key point of awarenes in yogic philosophy. While the old traditions long resisted the imapct of westernization, they are now starting to adapt. In a weird way this helps to preserve them while they change in certain ways.
Always in motion is the future.
Modern Buddhism is also starting to adapt to it's emergence in the western world, as is the western world to the eastern sciences. Perhaps the changes are neccessary so that they can continue on and benefit humanity in some way. I already went off on the point of how the Jedi of the Old Republic inevitably died out due to the stagnancey of their tradition. Perhaps the rebirth was in Yoda's slightly changed perspective from that experience, and his teachings unto Luke. Later in the post-ROTJ EU we see Luke continually try to develop and adapt the new Jedi order from the ashes of the fallen order.
Yoda was changed from his experiences in the PT. He became aware, I beleive, that the order was resistant to change and therefore blind to what threatened their very existence. While he taught Luke in Episode V, he seemed still at a crossroad between his old teachings and adapting them to the new situation, while at the same time becoming aware to the neccessity of change.
Luke sought Yoda as his teacher, as I also sought my "guru". The times had changed in both my world and the GFFA, where in the past the master moreso took the initiative to select their apprentices. There is still some degree of acceptance by the master in both worlds now, but the masters have evolved to realize if they don't teach these bumbling fools the "right way" those lost souls will find themselves in an aimless world of trouble and hurt. Anybody who has jumped into a mixed yoga class with little prior experience might understand this world. Just as Luke needed to build a new base of Jedi, yoga in the west is lacking experienced teachers even though the 'craze' continues to escalate. The danger to both the lineages and individuals is in less experienced people "teaching" what they consider to be yoga.
A Jedi must have the deepest commitment, the most serious mind... Never his mind on where he was. Hmm? What he was doing. Hmph. Adventure. Heh! Excitement. Heh! A Jedi craves not these things. You are reckless!
I won't fail you - I'm not afraid.
Oh, you will be. You will be.
People really can hurt themselves with their ambition sometimes. I had a fairly high midichlorian count to begin with, and was *lucky* enough to fall into a structured traditional lineage that had a pretty scientific approach to the practice, as well as the many years of the lineage to prove it beneficial. There have been a lot of western "freestyle" regimens that base themselves on physical yoga. Henceforth we see a birth of never seen before "yoga injuries". In the beginning of my practice, I would stray sometimes into the freestyle stuff, and try to rush ahead into the more advanced. "I want more, but I know I shouldn't". Not only is it dangerous physically, but it can be dangerous mentally as well. Ouch - okay, I soon learned the difference between right way and wrong way.
The mistakes were scary and potentially harmful. After sticking to the traditional stuff longer, the real benefits of a committed practice began to show themselves. Not just the physical ones, but it became more and more clear that this was more about mental "control" and focus, which further leads one to the philosophy and yogic precepts. I would have never seen these things without continuing in that disciplined and guided way. Even with my dwelling in Buddhism and the teachings of Star Wars: it was the overall yogic approach (not just physical!), the larger meaning of yoga that brought all these things together in a more comprehensive "path".
I could have just as easily continued in the scattered way, not really progressing and feeling the bumps and pitfalls of mistakes made through ignorance and negligence.
I'm not levetating rocks yet or standing on one hand very well, but I don't not beleive in it (you know what I mean!). One of the things I've been thinking about in my yoga practice more and more, which also comes from the Buddhist thing - and Yoda, is the intention behind it all, and behind every little thing. Okay, so as the years have gone by, my practice is more on and off - something more akin to Leia's Jedi training in the post-ROTJ EU.
No, no, there is no why. Nothing more will I teach you today. Clear your mind of questions.
One of the aspects that are particular to my yoga tradition is that you go in a certain order, and when you come to something your body (or mind) isn't willing to do, you stop there until you break through and can do. Literally you "do or do not". If you ask why something should or should not be done in a certain way, the answer from our lineage head is usually "something very bad will happen". Hokey religion or his difficulty understanding English (a native of India, he only ever bothered to learn a few English phrases)? Maybe it's his way of getting you to just do the practice, and not think too hard about it.
Modifications or doing something incorrectly earn you a "bad lady" (or man) remark from Yoda.. er Guruji (see link below), and immediately end your practice for the day. "No more will I teach you today!". It also isn't unheard of for (experienced!) teachers to carry or adjust you into the positon, sometimes standing on your back while you're all bent over like a pretzel. Not too different from the picture in this entry  .
Back to intention, yet again - Many of the physical aspects of this yoga practice seem inhuman (as many of the esoteric philosophies seem inconceivable). Many people come to a stand still in the practice when they can't acheive something, and it's usually because they don't beleive it to be possible. These are their intentions. There are certain steps taken to approach each phase of the practice. These too are intentions. The intentions are broken down to smaller steps, so much so that they would keep the mind focused on the moment - destroying the forward thinking anticipation that causes doubtful intention.
Look I so old to young eyes?
There are so many more aspects to Yoda's teachings of course, as well as to yoga. I've taken up a good hunk of blog space to talk about a few small aspects in an unscientific, unstructured and somewhat unfocused kind of way, but maybe someone will at least get a kick out of it. If you've made it through this whole entry in one sitting I commend your attention span and thank you. It usually takes me a few tries to get through an equal lengthed Moose entry.
Hopefully this wasn't too much of a waste of life. If anything, the purpose of this is to share an aspect of life that is potentially for the better. That is the essence of the Saka Dawa observance - and all good deeds are amplied by a thousandfold or some odd thing. Now I'll have to wrap it up before the day ends and I end up asking myself "What have I done?".
Before I go, a pretty intersting and almost eerie coincidence occured to me, after I started to write this down and the discussion became more steeped in real world yoga. Not only is today Saka Dawa in the world of Buddhism, but it's also Guruji's (term of endearment for the head of my yoga lineage) 91st birthday. Sri K. Pattabhi Jois is still going strong after all these years. I already pointed out the striking resemblance of Yoda to HH the Dalai Lama in an earlier blog, should I do the same with Yoda and Guruji? I'll let you decide. So to end, instead of a Star Wars quote, I'll borrow a quote from him that is simple yet inspires (maybe Yoda should have caught on to this in the PT?):
'Ninety-nine percent practice, one-percent theory'
["If you take practice, practice, practice--ninety-nine percent practice, one-percent theory, automatically you will get mind control; then, union with the Atman (soul). One birth is not enough."]
Hmmm, maybe twins will do then?
Next up in my one percent theory mindless philosopher series: The Tao of Obi Wan
Namaste, and may the Schwartz be with you.
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Oboe-Wan Oboe-Wan's Hive of Scum & Villainy
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date Posted: Jun 11, 2006 7:26 PM
First, let me say "I pledge myself to your teachings." Ok! Just had to get that out of the way and then truly say that I am honored to be the first comment on this blog! Quite fitting. Jk, you know how my introduction to yoga started 8 years ago, Iyengar & Hatha, but was lucky enough to stumble upon a teacher who taught astanga 3 years ago & have not looked back. The changes in my body now seem secondary (tertiary even!) to the changes in my thinking, my actions, my spirit, everything. In many ways you are my Yoda constantly giving me encouragement & advice.
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Oboe-Wan Oboe-Wan's Hive of Scum & Villainy
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date Posted: Jun 11, 2006 7:28 PM
Many people come to a stand still in the practice when they can't acheive something, and it's usually because the don't beleive it to be possible.
I distinctly remember my teacher standing beside me while I attempted my first hand stand 3 years ago. As a child I was incapable of doing one - too afraid to flip my world upside down. But I remember her word: "Believe" just before I brought my legs up. Now I feel more comfortable in this pose - even flipping up into one when I've lost something (gives a whole new perspective on searching a room!!). And of course, you my friend, have been invaluable in helping me put aside fears, doubts & disbelief.
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Oboe-Wan Oboe-Wan's Hive of Scum & Villainy
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date Posted: Jun 11, 2006 7:31 PM
There have been a lot of western "freestyle" regimens that base themselves on physical yoga
Of course I know exactly what you're thinking just becuase I like to go "play" in the freestyle class once a week. At first, from our discussions, i thought maybe I was straying from the traditional practice becuase I didn't fully believe, but the more I've thought about it (especially now in my solitude on Tatooine) it is because at all points in my life I am VERY structured and need an outlet. There was a time when I really looked forward to the freestyle classes, but toward the end of this spring, I was going because it was something my brain needed to stay focussed.
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Oboe-Wan Oboe-Wan's Hive of Scum & Villainy
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date Posted: Jun 11, 2006 7:34 PM
Ok! Now I've taken up tons of comment space!!
I have been thinking about this very thing: Yoga & Yoda, but didn't feel qualified to write anything on the topic. I'm so glad you did it. I have been slacking off since getting to Tatooine, but my mind & even my body have been craving a practice for the last 2 days. I think tomorrow I'll crack out the old mat & hop to it.
btw - i have finally succeeded in conquering my last asana: Upavishta Konasana. Like you said in the blog, w/my teacher kneeling on my back 2 classes in a row I was able to release my hips. It was an exhilarating feeling the moment they released... it was like my body was just waiting for the right moment.
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Jun 11, 2006 7:37 PM
Well hello there! That youy would show up here Oboe.. is something that "somehow I always knew"
I am honored to be the first comment on this blog - How nice - but I have the strangest feeling you may be one of the very few to comment at all or even read the whole gorram thing
you are my Yoda constantly giving me encouragement & advice
As long as its not because of the way I look  and I can only consider myself a learner. More like Luke trying to figure it all out with the resources he had.
put aside fears, doubts & disbelief.
Practice falling... before falling practices you! Or something 
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Jun 11, 2006 8:22 PM
I've taken up tons of comment space!
Plenty to go round. Beleive me.  Yoda and Yoga were a no brainer for me. Pretty cliche eh? Wanted this to go a bit beyond the physical aspects tho, the point being that yoga is less aout the physical than what is made out in the west. Maybe its the way the yoga approach is evolving. Good or bad depending on how you choose to see it.
My latest focus - aversion. I'm no better at accepting change than the Jedi of the Old Republic. + I get all ugly when people do stuff I see as wrong.
i have finally succeeded in conquering my last asana - Great! Don't get cocky!  No, but really, if there's one thing about yoga and Yoda (and pushing too hard) that I've learned is humility.
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hansgirl3 Invoking the Squee
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date Posted: Jun 11, 2006 8:49 PM
Well, that was one heck of a blog, jk! I don't pretend to understand all of it as I have never gotten into yoga myself and I'm sure I won't as I don't have an interest in it persay. However, I did "read the whole gorram thing" because I take an interest in what other people have to say, especially people I like; people such as yourself.
Now, what I did particularly take from your blog myself were some of the things that our little green friend said, such as:
(cont.)
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hansgirl3 Invoking the Squee
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date Posted: Jun 11, 2006 8:51 PM
No! Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.
That has been one of the Yodism's (my word  )that I have used my whole life. I love that saying! It gives a sense of empowerment, I think, and strength. I won't just try to do things; I WILL do them! I use it with my kids now, too. Works wonders (sometimes).
I really liked this blog, jk! It was shiny! 
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Jun 11, 2006 9:00 PM
Shiny - goood. And thanks for reading it - in a round about way, the whole thing is sort of about that one phrase "do or do not"; one way I have perceived it, and how it's integrated in some of my life experiences. I think all the kids, myself included, have been struck by this saying. It mystified me in a sense, and I grew up evolving my understanding of it.
But the lesser appreciated part of it, the follow up that really brings it together for me is the "that is why you fail" part. I understood this immediately as a child, even if in a somewhat different way than I do today.
people such as yourself. awww - the respect and admiration goes both ways
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Darth Vader Meditation Chamber
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date Posted: Jun 11, 2006 10:01 PM
Excellent entry! Like...WHOA entry actually.
I've always been interested in eastern culture and beliefs, but always from the outside, you know? Not getting involved but really admiring the little I know.
Your entry made me want to learn more about it. I don't know, not much to say but a sincere thank you!

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Oboe-Wan Oboe-Wan's Hive of Scum & Villainy
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date Posted: Jun 11, 2006 10:12 PM
I think the thing that surprised me the most about yoga is the changes in me that were not physical. I got in to it to get in shape, to lose weight, to control stress in a job I hated, but what surprised me the most was how it permeated my entire life. I wasn't prepared for how deeply I would get into the real yogic benefits spiritually. It's amazing. Perhaps not for everyone, but that's ok.
DV - just trying to picture a black armored yoga outfit.... 
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padmeskywalker77 Padme's Legacy
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date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 5:51 AM
Wow jk...brilliant entry. I was actually able to stay awake to read this (it was around 4am, I was at work, and I was getting tired).  Anyway, I tried to comment on this while I was at work, but our internet went down for about 15min, and then I could not access this site again  I always enjoy reading the entries that make me think, that provide a viewpoint quite different than my own. I have not taken up yoga, and probably will never do so, but it was interesting how you compared those teachings to those of Yoda and SW...I actually learned something last night by reading this  I am always intrigued by other cultures, other religions and find myself wanting to learn more about them. Thank you for your wonderful insights.
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leialookalike1
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date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 6:24 AM
Hem Hem.
Waaaayyyyy over my head...just kidding
I find swimming to be the sport/exercise for me. I can't fall over, I can't sprain my already strained ankles, (size 6 feet on a 5'7" frame) and I am faster than my sister in water. Hey, I must be part fish.
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Jedi Arwen Skywalker
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date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 6:50 AM
Leia, do you swim on a team? Have I found another swimmer??
jk, quite a blog. I also do not fully understand, but it was interesting to read. I just read Siddhartha and so am thinking it was fun to read this blog.
ps: you don't have to worry about me not finishing a blog, it's compulsery for me to finish reading what I start.
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hansgirl3 Invoking the Squee
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date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 8:59 AM
But the lesser appreciated part of it, the follow up that really brings it together for me is the "that is why you fail" part. I understood this immediately as a child, even if in a somewhat different way than I do today.
Agreed! It's an evolving understanding as I believe you said. We, who "live" SW and think about it constantly, are always allowing things like this line to help us grow and understand ourselves and the world better. I know I learn from my failures better b/c of it.
people such as yourself. awww - the respect and admiration goes both ways  I'm touched. 
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Oboe-Wan Oboe-Wan's Hive of Scum & Villainy
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date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 11:24 AM
Hey! i used to swim in high school!! W/my compact 5'4" frame, I was all about the distance swims. Though, i took 4th in the county in 100m freestyle. My greatest athletic accomplishment until I was finally able to put both my feet behind my head....
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 11:41 AM
I have not taken up yoga, and probably will never do so... I am always intrigued by other cultures, other religions
You don't have to "take it up" to learn about it. Again, my big stress here is that yoga is being westernized as a physical practice. It can be that..., but it's really a general term for "a way" of living, and there are many different philosophies it encompasses. There are many different kinds of yogic practices too... but it isn't a religion.
I didn't want to blast it outright, and it's an "aversion" I try to come to terms with in myself, but I get urked by "yoga" being viewed as some kind of workout you wear spandex for. It seems contrary to the actual meaning of yoga, which is limitless.
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 11:56 AM
Your entry made me want to learn more about it.
That's great. It's just having the initial interest that got me to look more at eastern philosophy (beyond just Buddhism) - and being a Star Wars freak too, all this stuff has so many parallels from that perspective, and it brings out a lot of the moral and ethical lessons in the saga with that "eastern edge".
I find swimming to be the sport/exercise for me.
Okay... um, yoga isn't a sport either. Grrrr. Control, control... I'm okay with the western view of yoga, I'm okay... really.
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amidalooine The Emotional Galaxy
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date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 12:30 PM
Wow. I'm not sure what to say. I find all of the thoughts I read from you on yoda and yoga and Buddhism to be fascinating, but I just don't know what to say. My frame of reference, spiritually and physically are just so different. They are part of you, though, part of why I'm so glad we're friends...and I just love you, ya know!!!!
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Darth Rex0 So be it....
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date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 1:27 PM
Well, I must say a masterpiece of writing. Great work.
Yoga compared to Yoda is a great comparison and I love how you put your life experiences in the writing as well. Like I said, great work.
I will also add, that I know little of Yoga or eastern religions for the most part. You have been a very wise and great teacher. Teach on.
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 5:13 PM
no match for a good blaster...
Not if anything to say about it, Darth Yoga-butt has.
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jkelly There Is No Conflict
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date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 7:34 PM
See, that's why I can't take Yoga. All that spiritual contemplative stuff. Oh ... and that I'm not flexible (don't give me that "do not try" stuff, I've been practicing my center splits for 10 years). Although I am a bit interested in learning about some guy leaning over/ on top of you while you're twisted in a pretzel.
One day I'll get the patience to stick to it -- probably when I have to slow down and can't run anymore. There's probably something zen in that statement somewhere.
I am fascinated to see the similarities in the metamorphoses you explain in yoga in the West and with other eastern things coming over. Change can be good, sometimes.
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Diviner525 In the Flesh
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date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 7:46 PM
Do. Or do not. There is no try.
That always struck me as severe self confidence crossing over into arrogance. Sure we always must believe in our own abilities and have self-confidence, but to look at things so black and white (in terms of success and failure) has always rubbed me the wrong way. That is my least favorite Yoda quote.
I prefer, a real world quote ~ "Everyone fails from time to time. You are only a failure if you quit trying. Better to go thru the verb than become the noun."
(cont)
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Diviner525 In the Flesh
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date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 7:52 PM
That quote was from Jim Valvano. That is the quote that I stake my heart in. Anybody that has tried anything challenging in life, meaning attempted to push themself beyond some sort of "limit", well, they most likely have faced a fall or two.
There is such a finality to Yoda's quote. "There is no try." It implies that if you fall, then that is it. That you should be an expert right from the start - and that just isn't going to happen.
D525.
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ewanandhaydenfan5 I Have You Now!
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date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 7:57 PM
to look at things so black and white (in terms of success and failure) has always rubbed me the wrong way.
Right...only a Sith deals in absolutes! (c'mon, I couldn't resist!)
D525, I agree with you. That attitude of "there is no try" always seemed harsh to me. Although it does seem to be common in Eastern philosophy (religion?). It's similar to what Miyagi said to Daniel in The Karate Kid: "Either karate do yes, or karate do no. You do karate 'guess so', squeeshh, just like grape".
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Diviner525 In the Flesh
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date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 8:14 PM
squeeshh, just like grape
Good points, E&H5 (heh heh, like robot name that way) I can understand about speaking to commitment. You do something 'guess so', that is just asking for trouble. You have to be willing to fully commit yourself to a goal. I have no arguments there.
I liked how jk touched on the Yoda quote, that thinking in terms of absolutes (success vs failure) is not so good. We have to be willing to overcome a failing in order to succeed.
Or "Practice makes perfect", quotes along that line of thinking tend to be more in tune with me.
Great blog jk.
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 8:27 PM
Anybody that has tried anything challenging in life, meaning attempted to push themself beyond some sort of "limit", well, they most likely have faced a fall or two.
I just never took the do or do not thing as absolute like that - not until I saw that other fans saw it that way. I probably dragged it out a bit much here, but essentially Yoda was sensing Luke's doubts, holding back, and that was what kept him from acheiving something - his doubts imposed the limitations.
It's not that you should "do not", you should do and not just try, because the "try" implies failure. It expects it. To call the Yoda quote an "absolute" is also looking at it from an "absolute" view. I saw Yoda as opening limitless possibility for Luke.
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 8:32 PM
and that I'm not flexible
... that is why you fail - Thinking like that that is  Okay, so one of the reasons the "physical" yoga became important was to become more flexible, for those who are not - so you can sit in meditation (also yoga eh?) all day and not get stiff. Also, some of the physical yoga postures, are meditation positions in of themselves.
Aside from the flexibility issues, which are somewhat superficial, the physical practices are also geared toward controlling energy in the body: circulation, nervous system, down to the cellular. All to give the mind a little freedom from physical bodily concerns.
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 8:37 PM
It's similar to what Miyagi said to Daniel in The Karate Kid: "Either karate do yes, or karate do no. You do karate 'guess so', squeeshh, just like grape".
Eggggggg-xactly! This whole long drawn out thing about intention - All I needed to do was stick that Karate Kid quote up there and I woulda been golden. Coulda had a two line blog
Basically, Yoda sensed Luke was going about it in a half-arse doubtful kind of way. Like, yeah right little green dude. Why bother (do not) if you're definitely going to fail. It's a waste of time and energy and castes even more doubt when the failure is a success.
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jkelly There Is No Conflict
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date Posted: Jun 12, 2006 8:44 PM
... that is why you fail - Thinking like that that is
Let me rephrase that. I'm never going to make the center splits because I'm not that flexible AND I don't want to devote the time necessary to get there. Diminishing marginal returns and all ...
"Do not try" because "You can't get there from here" so just give up.
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padmeskywalker77 Padme's Legacy
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date Posted: Jun 13, 2006 6:25 AM
I didn't mean to come across as suggesting that my impression of yoga is "physical exercise." I just find I often don't have the discipline to concentrate all of my energy into something like yoga...to let myself go, to "listen" to my body. I do appreciate other ways of looking at things, of experiencing things, and I commend you for your discipline and your committment to the practice of yoga.
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Jun 13, 2006 10:08 AM
"Do not try" because "You can't get there from here" so just give up.
Sounds good to me - "Do not" - and maybe begin with new intentions or a different starting point.  Do you *need* to do those splits? Why?
I just find I often don't have the discipline to concentrate all of my energy into something like yoga...to let myself go, to "listen" to my body.
But it does seem you have expectations (intentions) as to what "yoga" should be. That seems to keep you from even trying to understand it, approaching it with a more open mind. There *can* be a lot more to it, and it can be something completely different to you, if you open your mind to more possibilities.
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Jun 13, 2006 10:14 AM
I'm not trying to prosyletize either. I'm just destroying preconceptions.  It doesn't matter to me how anyone accepts "yoga". Luke had a lot of preconceptions about who Yoda was or should be. He also had preconceptions that lifting the ship was impossible. The narrower the view, the lesser the possibilities. Absolutism is simply linear thinking. There's a lot more to life then going from point A to point B. Sometimes both point A and B change as well as what's in between.
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jkelly There Is No Conflict
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date Posted: Jun 13, 2006 11:55 PM
Do you *need* to do those splits? Why?
No. That's why I quit and started kicking to the knees. Today, though, I was able to lift myself into and out of the split (you know that thing). So, I'm pretty psyched. Who knows?
Actually, yes, I do. I've had two groin pulls in the last three months.
There's a lot more to life then going from point A to point B.
But you can't get there because there's an inifinite number of halves in between. I'm so downtrodden and pessismistic tonight.
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anakinside1 Echoes from the Asteroid Field
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date Posted: Jun 24, 2006 6:22 PM
I can't believe I missed this entry! As a fellow yogini it was great fun to read. I have in my yoga room a little table set up that has on it images of Shiva, Vishnu, Lakshmi, and.... Yoda. I too have loved to see the overlaps between Yoga and SW. Actually, it was between the release of AOTC and ROTS that I really started to study yoga physically and philosophically, and I know that part of what turned me into a serious fan was the realization that SW wasn't just a story... each imaginary element has a real-life twin. After developing a practice of Pranayama - I could never look at SW's concept of the Force in the same way because the definitions are practically the same!
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anakinside1 Echoes from the Asteroid Field
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date Posted: Jun 24, 2006 6:31 PM
I'm glad you included a picture of your beloved Guruji. Here's mine BKS Iyengar. I believe they were both students under Krishnamacharya. I had the good fortune to study with him not too long ago, and it was a life changing experience to be in the presence of such a Master. At any rate, thanks so much for the blog, sorry I was late coming, and I bow to the God within you.... Namaste
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Jun 24, 2006 7:38 PM
I believe they were both students under Krishnamacharya.
Yes yes! Very similar systems, but very different too. An Iyengi! I was wondering about you a1. LOL - I was going to direct you to this entry because I thought you might be interested. I've had the good fortune to study with Pattabhi Jois on several occasions but haven't made the hardcore trip to Mysore to study (its beyond my means really - I'm too humble and not extravagent). Even though I had practiced for many years before meeting him, it was pretty amazing to practice in his presence and learn directly from him. It's hard to describe what an energetic kind of experience it can be (in the presence of a master) without sounding hokey or new agey.
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Jun 24, 2006 7:46 PM
a1 - here's a great picture for you (hopefully the right cover will come up) - Iyengar and Jois together. I have that issue (great publication BTW).
Your altar sounds sweet. I have a mish mash of a concentrated Buddhist 'area', but there are sprinklings of all sorts of Asian deities around. Lucky to have a yoga room too. I'm very curious as to how your Pranayama practice might be similar to my tradition's. That is a great correllation between the Force and the pranayama connection. I get overwhelmed actually, at how similar (at least what I see) SW things are to my Asian derived (for lack of a better term: Yoga, Martial Arts, philosophies) life practices.
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Jun 24, 2006 7:53 PM
I was able to lift myself into and out of the split
Go Jean Claude!  Kidding - thats amazing and I know it takes not only a large amount of muscular strength as well as flexibility, but also control in ways the average Joe and Jane don't use their bodies on a daily basis. I'll tell you what - STILL, a strong hatha yoga regimen can do wonders for a martial artist. I see MA and HY as one in the same myself (but we've had this arguement before haven't we?) - aside from the physical elements, there's a lot of philosophical compatibility too.
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Jun 24, 2006 7:55 PM
But you can't get there because there's an inifinite number of halves in between. I'm so downtrodden and pessismistic tonight.
I wish I saw this sooner and responded! I remembered your cry for help in your blogs awhile ago!  (I see blogs in my email and figure its for the most recent usually) - The halves are there for you to choose from. Stay focused if neccessary, or adapt. It can take a lifetime of "practice" to walk any path with confidence (no not arrogance)... sometimes only to find out there is no right or wrong choice - no?
You're right! You can't get there... if you think you can't!
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