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 | Seven Piecesdate posted: Jun 16, 2006 10:07 AM | updated: Jun 16, 2006 10:11 AM |

 | Anakin... in Owen's eyes |
 Well, we know that Anakin didn't die. But did Owen? I think not.
After reading some thoughts by viagoangel2 which pointed out Anakin's bad manners, particularly in the scene from Episode II, where he fails to introduce Padme to the Lars clan, I realized that this was an appropriate detail that helps tie into Episode IV. Some feel this was an error made by the filmmakers, others delve deeper into Anakin and Padme's relationship.
Sometimes I feel like I'm right along side Darth Rex0 on the Captain Obvious ship, but in actuality, it seems a lot of my perspectives differ somewhat from the larger fanship. Since no one shared the same idea I have in the above mentioned entry, I'll just jot it down here (also the comments are closed there)...
In Episode I we find young Anakin already steeped in a life of hardship and attachments. When the opportunity arose for him to leave that life behind and pursue a life of adventure any 9 year old kid might dream of, he jumped at the chance - his decision. He had a little hesitation to leave his mother, but settled on hopes he would soon have the ability to free her. Full of preconceptions was he, and perhaps a little guilt - a seed which would soon begin to sprout into anger and self-hatred.
Consider that when Anakin returns to Tatooine in Episode II, Padme insisted on tagging along. On the one hand she was "joining forces" with Anakin, essentially proving to him that she was on his side. In another sense, she was taking the upper hand on the situation by planning it all out, right down to the excuse they would use.
In between the tormenting visions of his mother's suffering, Anakin's waking hours were filled with more torments by Padme's pleather outfit and her persistence in leading him on just to shoot down his attraction to her.
Poor guy was a bit off his game, but he was a Jedi... almost. He should have known better. Padme was no angel in all of this. Should she have known better?
That's all besides the point for me though. Anakin was distraught, edgy, confused, angry and overall an unpleasant jerky kid to be around. When Anakin returned to Tatooine to save Shmi, he was at one of the lowest points in his life thus far.
This was also the first and last time Owen and Anakin were to meet. Add to that the atrocity of the situation: a beloved mother, stepmother and wife had met her demise. Her family was left in the wake of her death and an entire village of Sandpeople had been slaughtered by Anakin to boot. Cliegg, who had already accepted Shmi's death, had suffered horrible injuries in the process of trying to save her from the Sandpeople before Anakin showed up.
Not a happy shiny feel good situation overall.
Fast forward 20 some odd years to Episode IV:
Luke's just not a farmer, Owen. He has too much of his father in him.
That's what I'm afraid of.
If the tragedy on Tatooine in Episode II wasn't enough to convince you that Owen had some bad feelings about Anakin, his recklessness, rudeness (not introducing Padme is one small example) and negligent abuse of power, just from that experience, consider the circ-umstances that brought a newborn Luke to Owen and Beru by the end of Episode III.
While I don't beleive for a second that Owen and Beru were privy to the full story, that Anakin had turned into the evil menace Darth Vader, even isolated moisture farmers, such as they were, could deduce the brevity of the situation: that the mother and father were dead, and probably as a result of being in the middle of the galactic turmoil that had occured. The secret of Anakin's true fate had to be buried.
No, my father didn't fight in the wars. He was a navigator on a spice freighter.
That's what your uncle told you. He didn't hold with your father's ideals. Thought he should have stayed here and not gotten involved.
Owen grew to love Luke, and didn't want to see him end up dead like his father. Whether or not Owen had any distaste for Anakin at all, the fate of Anakin (and the tormented life he led) was undeniable to Owen.
I admit I never paid too much attention to that one subtle detail of Anakin so rudely neglecting to introduce Padme to everyone in Episode II (so thanks for pointing it out viagoangel2). The overall feeling of that whole Episode II scene, Shmi's death and Anakin on the Lars homestead, then Anakin's fate as revealed to Owen and Beru in Episode III, are a direct connection to Owen's reference to Luke's father in Episode IV, for me. Anakin's "rudeness", his ignorance and naivity to what his own emotions were doing to him, is an added touch. It's not a huge pointer or a clear answer, but it fits into the greater scheme of the entire saga and helps tie it all together. George Lucas is good like that.
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Darth Rex0 So be it....
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date Posted: Jun 16, 2006 10:28 AM
I admit I never paid too much attention to that one subtle detail of Anakin so rudely neglecting to introduce Padme to everyone in Episode II
Hmmm. I've thought about it before and I take a slightly different view. I found that lack of introduction to conitnue to dwell on Anakin's growing selfishness. How? Well, he was so wrapped up in his own problems and situation that he neglected Padme. It wasn't the first time. He was after all going to leave Padme unguarded to find his Mom. Anakin's quest for his Mother became all consuming. Something I might add that Anakin stuggles with. He neglected his duties, Padme, and his morals in search of his Mother. The neglected intro was just part of that to me.
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Darth Rex0 So be it....
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date Posted: Jun 16, 2006 10:30 AM
That being said, I like how you included Owen's love for Luke. That makes the most sense to me. Alot of people have a big problem with the way Owen treated Luke in ANH. I've said it before and wonder how many conversations you had that sounded just like that with your parents when you were 18. Granted, they probably didn't involve moisture farming, droids, or going to the Imperial Acadamy, but you get the poing. I think Owen very much cared for Luke's well being. He loved him.
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Master Andy Luke Skywalker
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date Posted: Jun 16, 2006 10:35 AM
Nice thoughs JKthunder. I Remember in the AOTC novelization, Owen sees Shmi as his mother, and even though they are a happy family, Shmi is constantly missing Anakin. This makes Owen feel bad, because even though he tries to love her as much as he can and Shmi loves him like a son, she still has that void in her heart. As far as Owen is concerned at this point, Anakin is the boy who broke his mother's heart. Then he comes, being this arrogant Jedi demanding to see her, and this all adds to his bad impression of him. He never saw the sweet loving Ani that his mother saw, he only saw this jerk. (cont)
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Master Andy Luke Skywalker
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date Posted: Jun 16, 2006 10:35 AM
Add Obi Wan telling Owen that Anakin died after turning to the dark side (if he even told them that much, since it wasn't until much later that Owen found out that Vader still LIVES!) and you have a very loving, yet worried step father to this child whose future is uncertain thanks to the actions of his father. He fears for Luke and he doesn't want to hi commit the same mistakes as Anakin, and in the end, he dies in order to protect this child which he loves with all his heart.
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Jun 16, 2006 10:38 AM
I've thought about it before and I take a slightly different view. I found that lack of introduction to conitnue to dwell on Anakin's growing selfishness.
I totally agree with this Rex0 - it's a point I wasn't really trying to get into much though. I think for whatever reasons Anakin was such a chump during that time, it was all a story mechanism to tie into Owen's tone in reference to Anakin in E4.
I think Owen loved Luke for sure. He was a grumpy old moisture farmer sure, a little resentful at Anakin maybe - but he wanted Luke safe at home, similar to how he felt about Anakin:
Thought he should have stayed here and not gotten involved.
Glad the bad hair day is over 4 U BTW
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Jun 16, 2006 10:44 AM
OMG - I spoke to soon!
since it wasn't until much later that Owen found out that Vader still LIVES!
This is a big point of debate though Master Andy - I don't know what the novelization says, or maybe in other EU books, but filmwise there's nothing to say that Owen ever knew that Anakin turned into Darth Vader - in fact everything should point to Owen having never known that secret, all the way up to his tragic death.
When you say Owen found out that Vader lives, it doesn't point out that Owen ever knew Anakin was Vader. At least it shouldn't (to me)
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date Posted: Jun 16, 2006 10:47 AM
now see Im torn...I get the feeling Owen knew SOMETHING about what happened to Anakin...maybe not the FULL story but something. Im sure Obi Wan needed to explain WHY he had to drop Anakins son off for them to raise...although what story "Ben" told Owen remains to be scene, as Obi Wan is famous for his "truth from a certain point of view" approach.
Why else would Owen feel DREAD that Luke had "too much of his father in him?"
because Owen KNEW that something BAD had happened because of Anakins choice to become a Jedi.
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Darth Rex0 So be it....
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date Posted: Jun 16, 2006 10:49 AM
it was all a story mechanism to tie into Owen's tone in reference to Anakin in E4.
I do agree with that. You do a nice job of tying that to episode 4. Better than I've read or seen befoe actually.
OMG - I spoke to soon!
Yeah, well I turn 30 on Monday, so I thought this avatar was appropriate for awhile.
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DJ Maul: Got Feet? DJ Maul's Dancin' Cantina Party
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date Posted: Jun 16, 2006 10:53 AM
Yeah, well I turn 30 on Monday,
well happy birthday Darth rex...but quit your whining....wait 'til you reach my age...when 38 years old you reach, look as good, you will not!
(sorry, couldnt resist that line.) ![]:)](http://blogs.starwars.com/share/img/emoticons/devil.gif)
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Jun 16, 2006 10:56 AM
Why else would Owen feel DREAD that Luke had "too much of his father in him?"
My point: Because Owen thought that Anakin ended up dead beacause of the life he led, the things he was involved with.
He didn't want the same for Luke. He dreaded that because he loved the boy. This was always the first thing that tied together for me after seeing the PT - but it seems a lot of other fans think Owen fears Luke would turn to evil like Darth Vader. I don't think this at all - I think that secret was kept from everyone, and a different story of Anakin's death was told - same for Padme's death. I don't think the GFFA knew about the Anakin/Vader connection until after Anakin's real death in ROTJ.
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Darth Rex0 So be it....
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date Posted: Jun 16, 2006 11:01 AM
If you look like that upon turning 30 - you've had a rougher life than Obi Wan did!
but quit your whining
Thanks guys. I'm really cool with it. You just get older and there is nothing to be done about it. I'm really okay with it. I really did the avatar as a bad joke. I'm searching for a new avatar maybe and just trying some out that look funny to me.
Honestly, I don't know what Owen knew. We just don't know enough based on the films. Part of me says that he knew, but jk brings up good points about why he wouldn't know. Either way, the line in 4 works.
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Jun 16, 2006 11:04 AM
Basically, I think the truth of Anakin turning to Vader was buried within the individuals who discussed it on Polis Massa in ROTS. But...
Either way, the line in 4 works. - That's whats important to me. AOTC helped add meaning to Owen's words.
Yeah, well I turn 30 on Monday, so I thought this avatar was appropriate for awhile.
If you look like that upon turning 30 - you've had a rougher life than Obi Wan did!
when 38 years old you reach, look as good, you will not!
I think when I turn 38 I'll tattoo my face and get prosthetic horns too 
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anakinside1 Echoes from the Asteroid Field
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date Posted: Jun 16, 2006 11:07 AM
Interesting blog!
First of all, I agree that GL is great at making little details tie into the larger story. It's amazing how often first impressions are quite accurate (and even when they're not accurate they're certainly powerful and lasting). Anakin's strange and selfish behavior would be big clue to his character that Owen would pick up on.
Do you think that Owen was angry at Anakin for not showing up sooner? I literally just thought of that....
cont.
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anakinside1 Echoes from the Asteroid Field
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date Posted: Jun 16, 2006 11:10 AM
In terms of the debate about whether Owen knew about Vader or not. I think it would make some sense for Obi-Wan to let them know something about the truth of his parents' story if only to have enough information to protect Luke if he needed it.
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Master Andy Luke Skywalker
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date Posted: Jun 16, 2006 11:12 AM
Did I say Owen, oh my I meant Obi. "Ben" just told him .. "Well, so Anakin turned to the dark side, and then he kicked the bucket" Since Obi Wan did not know that Vader was alive until like a month or so later. I think the only people that knew that Vader=Anakin were Ben, Yoda and Bail.
Happy Early B-day Rex. I really liked your old avatar better. Now I just picture you as a creepy version of Santa. It is ok to be a little scared when you come up to a birthday (I just passed a milestone myself) but it is not as bad once you reach that age. Then again, it will be a long time until I reach 30, but trust me, after your birthday, everything will become much better.
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viagoangel2 Were Anakin and Padme' really one?
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date Posted: Jun 16, 2006 11:17 AM
ANAKIN IN OWENS EYES......
*WOW* First off I just want to say, THANKS. It's nice of you to mention me and to add a link too? Very kind of you. Anyway, FANTABULOUS blog! It's hard to believe that so much can come from an absent gesture and *rude* manners.
Going to Owen, all he had to go on before meeting Anakin was what Shmi had told him over the last 5 or so yrs. According to the novel of AOTC, it was all good things. Owen often tried to keep Shmi's *hope* alive, that Anakin was OK . Owen also added, that Anakin (& other jedi) are the reasons why he sleeps well at night. (cont.)
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viagoangel2 Were Anakin and Padme' really one?
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date Posted: Jun 16, 2006 11:23 AM
Owen knowing all of this then meets Anakin face-to-face. More than likely not to pleased. Although, *all* are greived over the loss of Shmi. While Ani' is emotionally tore up! it's been 10yr. since he last saw her, and now all he feels is Shmi's *PAIN* in the force. He is driven by emotions to save his mother and nothing or no one else matters at that point. I can't say that I myself wouldn't have acted the same. Again, Great Blog!
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Jun 16, 2006 11:24 AM
I think it would make some sense for Obi-Wan to let them know something about the truth of his parents' story if only to have enough information to protect Luke if he needed it.
I think the opposite. I would think that Obi Wan would have guarded the secret at all costs, and kept with Ben's own story that Anakin was dead, even to Owen and Beru.
The film purist in me leads me to follow another visual cue by George Lucas: At the end of ROTS we see Obi Wan arrive at the Lars homestaed to hand off Luke to Owen and Beru. They walk away from Obi Wan in silence to behold the baby. They seperate with no dialogue...
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Oboe-Wan Oboe-Wan's Hive of Scum & Villainy
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date Posted: Jun 16, 2006 11:25 AM
Ok, I'm not going to read the rest of the comments - not because I don't have time but because I don't care. No! no ! No! Just kidding!! I really just don't have time and now I've wasted 149 characters to say only that.
I think the idea of Anakin storming into this already hurting family & making things even worse is a huge problem for Owen. How can he not carry this around his whole life? But, like you said, he did come to care for Luke, love him as a son, & didn't want to see him turn into anything remotely resembling the hotheaded young Jedi he met in Ep.2.
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Oboe-Wan Oboe-Wan's Hive of Scum & Villainy
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date Posted: Jun 16, 2006 11:27 AM
And no, I don't believe that Owen & Beru knew that Anakin was now Darth Vader. That would be WAY too dangerous for them to know. There are sometimes when I waver on this thought, though, and I do think the whole:
BERU: He has too much of his father in him.
OWEN: That's what I'm afraid of
is actually pointing out that they do know he's DV. But would they be so casual about it? Nah. He's more afraid that Luke is going to fly off the handle & kill them in their sleep because Anakin snapped w/the sandpeople.
Read scene now:
BERU: He has too much of his father in him.
OWEN: that's what I'm afraid of, so here Beru, take this blaster & sleep with one eye open.
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Jun 16, 2006 11:27 AM
I think Owen lied to Luke about Anakin on top of whatever false truth Owen knew of Anakin's death. The fact that Anakin led that life and died because of it was horrible enough that Owen would want to keep Luke from wanting the same dangerous life.
Since Obi Wan did not know that Vader was alive until like a month or so later.
Good point Master Andy - Anakin really was literally dead to Obi Wan at that point, but the fact that Anakin tuned to the dark side- into Darth vader was something that still needed to be kept secret. The Jedi were being hunted by the Empire, so Anakin's death could remain noble, and there's still all the good reason to keep the child of a Jedi safe from the Imps.
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Jun 16, 2006 12:00 PM
There's this whole other theme that was fleshed out by the end of the PT - that the Jedi were traitors. The galaxy might have had mixed feelings about that truth, but it was known that they were hunted down, and the idea that tey were not to be trusted was reinforced by the Empire.
Then there's the theme that Ben was a crazy old Jedi hermit to Owen, and they kept a silent distance, even though Owen knew Ben was lurking and watching over Luke. The Jedi business spelled trouble to Owen, whether it be by impressions of Anakin or Ben's potential influence.
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Kenobi-fan The Jundland Wastes Journal
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date Posted: Jun 16, 2006 12:16 PM
Given Owen's disdain for Ben, I have to believe Owen knew quite a bit of what was going on. To that end, I think it pushed him to keep Luke grounded on Tatooine, for better or worse. I tend to think worse. It was clear that Ben brought Luke to the Lars' family for protection and upbringing. For Ben not to disclose the seriousness of the situation seems too unlike him...but maybe not. I truly believe that Owen was keeping Luke from Ben and his destiny, which in turn brought danger to both him and Beru. Had Luke been allowed to visit with Kenobi on a regular basis, it's possible the transition and safety of the moisture farmers might have been upper most in everyone's mind. As it was, it was too late.
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hansgirl3 Invoking the Squee
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date Posted: Jun 16, 2006 12:58 PM
Wow! Great blog, jk!~ And great comments by everyone! It's hard to know where to start...
So, I'll just pick it up here at the bottom...
I agree that Owen was really just trying to keep Luke out of trouble as much as possible. He knew old Ben was always watching, lurking and might someday come and try to snatch Luke away and teach him how to be "like his old man". I'm sure Owen had a certain sense of fear about that.
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hansgirl3 Invoking the Squee
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date Posted: Jun 16, 2006 12:59 PM
I don't for a moment believe that Owen knew anything about Anakin being Vader. Obi-wan wouldn't have told him (no reason to); it would've instilled undue stress and worry. Since Obi-wan was always there watching and protecting, if Vader had ever come close enough to actually harm Luke or take him, Obi-wan would've interferred.
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Kenobi-fan The Jundland Wastes Journal
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date Posted: Jun 16, 2006 1:17 PM
Obi-wan wouldn't have told him (no reason to);
I find it quite sad if Kenobi was playing 'games' with the Lars family. They had in their hands the only 'hope' the galaxy had against the Empire. The fear alone forced Kenobi into hiding and the remaing Jedi into hiding. How could you not explain to two grown adults (innocent ones, I might add) the responsibility being placed into their hands? The least he could do is provide them with 'the truth'....
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Kenobi-fan The Jundland Wastes Journal
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date Posted: Jun 16, 2006 1:17 PM
...I guess you could make the 'ol 'perspective' argument, but I think it's misplaced here. The Lars family were taking on a great burden, to be less than honest with them would be disrespectful of both them and the baby they were caring for. They deserved better. After all, they were desert farmers - they were well acquainted with hardship.
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Jun 16, 2006 1:29 PM
Obi-wan wouldn't have told him (no reason to);
I agree that there isn't a reason for Obi Wan to tell Owen that Anakin turned to Vader, and I think Ben would also have thought it more detrimental for Owen and Beru to know this. I think Obi Wan would not put such a burden upon the Lars, and in addition it was a secret he was sworn to keep. Add to that that Obi Wan was also at struggle in this time - ever since having to confront Anakin as Vader. It turned Ben's life around as to how he would adhere to the Jedi way. ..
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Jun 16, 2006 1:34 PM
Ben pulled a certain point of view on Luke b/c he (assuming here) didn't think Luke was ready for it - Couldn't it be a similar way that Ben revered Owen's capabilities? I'm not saying it's right that Ben would do such things - in fact it was a cycle of cause and effet that began with the PT Jedi. I see that Owen knew hardship, but the truth of Vader was of a different magnitude. Maybe Ben was still a little arrogant to think Owen couldn't comprehend this bigger esoteric truth, and tht it would only be more dangerous for Owen. Maybe Ben didn't say anything to Owen about it, and let whatever rumors of Anakin's death be what the Lars beleive.
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Jun 16, 2006 1:42 PM
That's what I like to think at least - that Ben said nothing (visual example at the end of ROTS) and just let the Lars assume Anakin died, just as Anakin. Ben's "point of view", lack of forthcoming, also leads me to beleive that the truth of Vader was withheld from the Lars. As much as I love obi Wan, I think he was complex, at struggle and fallible - making him more real.
But again, this doesn't really matter for the story to work. The movies still tie together well and leave more room for our imaginations - for our minds to work.  It would be unlike George Lucas to give a specific answer to this, along with the mystery of Anakin's origins, how Leia remembers her mother, etc... keeps the magic and mystery of Star Wars alive.
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hansgirl3 Invoking the Squee
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date Posted: Jun 16, 2006 2:00 PM
I find it quite sad if Kenobi was playing 'games' with the Lars family.
I didn't mean it from a standpoint of a game, really. I meant, as jk said, that he would have thought that it would have been harder, more "detrimental" for them to know that Vader was Luke's father. I think he wouldn't have told them thinking he was doing what was in their best interests.
(cont. Darn limits.)
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hansgirl3 Invoking the Squee
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date Posted: Jun 16, 2006 2:00 PM
I can't imagine from the Lars' point of view being given this baby and then being told, "oh, by the way, the kid's father? Oh, well, yeah, umm, well, he's the second most evil and powerful guy in the universe, but don't worry, he doesn't know he's here.... yet." I know it wouldn't be handled that crassly (sp?), but still, it would be very uncomfortable, to say the least!
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Jun 16, 2006 2:18 PM
This is one of those things that the fans are divided on for sure.
While it could be considered disrespectful for Obi Wan to withhold this information - *I think* it would have been adding insult to injury for the Lars to have been told the gory and less than honorable details.
Also, Obi Wan did really think Anakin was dead for a time - at least to the time he gave Luke to the Lars. There really is no good reason *I see* that Obi Wan would have made out the scenario to be any worse than it was. The fact that Anakin turned to the dark side would have been irrelevant or more confusing even (possibly even to Obi Wan) - Anakin was dead no matter what - and a Jedi child would be hunted by the Empire.
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jkelly There Is No Conflict
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date Posted: Jun 16, 2006 2:25 PM
Was Owen jealous, too? Why didn't Shmi love the good guy who stayed at home, helped on the farm, and didn't galavant across the galaxy? Owen, the green-eyed monster, perhaps.
Obi-Wan's got a history of being less-than-forthcoming and probably didn't say a word about Anakin becoming Vader. If Owen had been told, I bet he would have been more fearful and less scornful in his discussion over blue milk with Beru.
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The Stooge Star Wars Joke-A-Day
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date Posted: Jun 16, 2006 2:41 PM
Never thought of it that way... I like it!
Then again, maybe he was just ticked because Anakin stole Threepio. And didn't fill up the Swoop with gas. Oh, and dumping his whiny little daredevil son on their doorstep.
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amidalooine The Emotional Galaxy
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date Posted: Jun 16, 2006 3:10 PM
Holy ####, Rex...who are you NOW??????
jk...I love your analysis of different situations...I always do. You think things through much better than I usually do.
Was Owen jealous, too? Why didn't Shmi love the good guy who stayed at home, helped on the farm, and didn't galavant across the galaxy? Owen, the green-eyed monster, perhaps.
Classic prodigal son stuff, eh, jkelly??
Great thoughts, jk...
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mirax7 The Saga Begins
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date Posted: Jun 16, 2006 3:19 PM
unless owen figured out some things on this own, he did not know that anakin=vader. at the end of dark lord, when obi-wan finds out that anakin is still alive, he decides to tell owen and beru, but is stopped by qui-gon. owen's comment about being afraid of luke having too much of his father in him was more thinking that luke would want to travel around and be caught up in the fighting that was going on.
cont.
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mirax7 The Saga Begins
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date Posted: Jun 16, 2006 3:19 PM
cont.
i do think they were told to keep a low profile and to not draw imperial attention to themselves or luke, because it's only fair since they were going to be caring for a potential jedi. and i don't think that owen distrusted or hated obi-wan, but that he didn't want luke learning any jedi skills or, in obi-wan's words, "follow old Obi-Wan on some
damned-fool idealistic crusade like your father did."
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Jun 16, 2006 5:18 PM
ami - I love the way you think too, as I do everyone here. I don't know how much this is "thought through" as it is a regurgitation of my initial perceptions of the saga.
when obi-wan finds out that anakin is still alive, he decides to tell owen and beru, but is stopped by qui-gon.
Great point about DL mirax. I thought about that, but here I was only considering what the films tell us, either visually, implied (of course is taken different ways), through dialogue and a combination of all of those.
"follow old Obi-Wan on some
damned-fool idealistic crusade like your father did."
Perfect quote for this  ...
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Jun 16, 2006 5:53 PM
- although I wasn't expecting to get so much into this arguement with a little entry about how AOTC precedes the OT so well. But noooo, I had to get all into the end of ROTS too.
Was Owen jealous, too? - I wondered this too jk.
Obi-Wan's got a history of being less-than-forthcoming and probably didn't say a word about Anakin becoming Vader.
Agreed - there are other cues in the saga that imply Obi Wan wouldn't have said anything to the Lars. Still take into account Ben really thought ADV was dead - so telling the Lars all that when giving Luke to them, would seem hurtful and unneccessary.
didn't fill up the Swoop with gas - I was thinking that 2 - Dude jacked my swoop!
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jkelly There Is No Conflict
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date Posted: Jun 16, 2006 10:25 PM
Classic prodigal son stuff, eh, jkelly??
She's always bringing that up. My theory is that you invite everyone to every party or you're missing out.
so telling the Lars all that when giving Luke to them, would seem hurtful and unneccessary.
Do you think it was compassion or further plotting? I vote for further plotting.
I wondered this too jk.
Who are you talking to? Oh, wait. Grammar. Sorry. "To whom are you talking?"
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Darth Dan X Dan's Addiction
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date Posted: Jun 17, 2006 6:52 PM
I really enjoy reading blogs like this, jkthunder. Beautiful work and analyzation.
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Jun 18, 2006 9:06 PM
Phew - I watched the whole PT today with a friend... a new convert I might add.
Do you think it was compassion or further plotting? I vote for further plotting.
I say neither. I dont think there was a contrived motive on Obi Wan's part. Acting on his own conditioning and also in the aftermath of events of episode 3.
Thanx Dan X. Really not an analyzation so much as letting my perspective all hang out and stuff.
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rj_peters Memos from the Imperial Finance Department
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date Posted: Jun 19, 2006 5:38 AM
I don't have anything interesting to add, other than 'good stuff'. There should be a separate comments section just for people who want to let the blogger know that they read the entry and liked it, but don't have anything to add to the discussion.
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JediPug1 Like My Father Before Me
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date Posted: Jun 19, 2006 6:57 AM
I admit I never paid too much attention to that one subtle detail of Anakin so rudely neglecting to introduce Padme to everyone in Episode II
I noticed this right away, and wondered if it was intentional on GL's part. I think it was and I think you make good points, JK. I tend to lean Rex0's way in that I think it showed selfishness on Anakin's part. As far as Owen goes... I really believe that Luke is the good man he is because of Owen's (and Beru's) upbringing. They were loving "parents" to Luke and could probably have been of great help to Anakin if he could have seen beyond his own needs. He wasn't the only one affected by Shmi's disappearence and death, but he sure acted as though he was.
Nice blog!
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anakinfan913
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date Posted: Jun 19, 2006 11:47 AM
I admit I never paid too much attention to that one subtle detail of Anakin so rudely neglecting to introduce Padme to everyone in Episode II Me, too. But, then again, would he have ever learned such a nicety, being a slave and then a Padawan?
All of you have such compelling arguements, but I find myself agreeing with hansgirl3 and mirax7. What would be the point in the Lars knowing that Anakin turned? It would only make them fearful.
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jkthunder Seven Pieces
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date Posted: Jun 19, 2006 1:56 PM
JP1 and anakinfan913 - I think both of you have perceptions similar to myself and the general consensus (here at least), which reinforces for me the idea that these are indeed intentional moves on GL's part: The way Anakin's attitude is set up, and the "feeling" for the way Obi Wan handled things. It's also testament to how much care and attention to detail GL put into the saga, and connecting the films as one big epic story.
rj -Just saying hi is always fine 
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shaakti0 Star Wars Girl At Heart
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date Posted: Jun 20, 2006 3:01 PM
Owen Lars was mean to Luke. But I don't think he knows how Anakin "died." It said in the novelization that Obi-Wan just said both Luke's parents died, and didn't say how. Owen knew Anakin was a Jedi. He must have then found out Obi-Wan was a Jedi, too. Owen already suffered loss of his stepmother. Maybe that changed him. Owen kept telling Luke downright lies because he didn't want Luke to join Obi-Wan in the same tradition Anakin was, cause he could've been afraid Luke, too, would've died. So, maybe that's why.
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