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Drawing in the Empire
date posted: Sep 29, 2005 6:53 PM  |  updated: Dec 15, 2005 10:51 PM
Bad Movies I Love! Part One
Everyone loves a good movie, right? What can be more satisfying than walking out of a theater with your expectations for a film fully and genuinely met and possibly even exceeded? Especially after throwing down your hard earned eight bucks for the epic, over-hyped, event picture of the season (or week). Good movies, better yet, great movies are always fun to talk about in the lobby afterwards with your friends or on the drive home with your sweetie.

Though what about the bad movies? It only takes a bad one to shut your brain down quickly or leave a bad taste in your mouth (in which case, according to my pal Tom Mandrake, those kinds of films are better accompanied with a pitcher of beer). Well I'm coming clean and here to say even bad movies can be great. In fact, I love bad movies (to a degree) and I can usually find at least *something* worthwhile or memorable in the flops, turkeys and stinkers of the silver screen that make me come back for seconds. I believe bad movies can even be more fun to talk about, at least the ones that are so bad they are actually good.

There are definitely degrees of "bad" when it comes to movies. Some merely are disappointing. Some are so bad they are laughable. And some are so terrible they make you wish you could have the last two hours of your life back. I believe that certain bad films actually exist somewhere in between these realms.

I was discussing with some friends the etiquette of bad cinema, movies that we actually have enjoyed but are ashamed of to admit. I came up with the following list of guilty pleasures from my own sordid love affair with film and decided to share my picks with you here.

Let's start from the top (or is it the bottom?) of the barrel...

Tango and Cash - An action thriller/comedy that's the epitome of bad 80's action movie cliches and starring two of the best, well known action movie stars of the 80's. As ridiculous as this movie is (especially the atrocious finale face-off in the monster truck tricked out with missiles) at times it's actually hilarious (and even on purpose) with some genuinely funny dialogue and comedic moments between tough guys Stallone and Russell. And Jack Palance is just plain funny, whether on purpose or not. It's probably a low point on both superstar actor's resumés but it's worth checking out if you happen to like or appreciate either of them for their vastly more important contributions to cinema like Escape From New York, Big Trouble in Little China, First Blood or...

Cobra - which brings me to the next bad movie on my list that I have a soft spot for. Man, is this one a turkey but it has some of the best one liners *ever* in an action movie (move over Schwarzenegger). For example, when Marion Cobretti (Stallone) is in the grocery store trying to "negotiate" with the psycho gang member armed with explosives-

Gang member, "Back off man or I'll blow this place up!"
Cobra, "That's OK. I don't shop here."

Or how about the classic, "You're the disease and I'm the cure".

You just can't get away with lines like that seriously in today's cinema. And the truck vs. motorcycle chase towards the end of the movie, though nowhere near as epic, classic or entertaining as The Road Warrior, makes this flick worth watching just for the absurdity of violence alone.

Along a similiar vein of absurd violence...

Commando - I'm a sucker for almost all of Arnold's flicks (except for End of Days, The Sixth Day and Conan the Destroyer -yawn). As a child of the 80's I grew up on Arnold and Sly's films of over the top heroics. This film, though not as pretentious and more over the top than Running Man (another enjoyable turkey) is a total exercise in excess maiming and destruction. If you like to watch things blow up and see scores of mercenaries get dispatched in a variety of horrible dismemberments and impalements, then this is the movie for you. In fact, this one could almost be considered a "horror movie" just for those scenes alone. Throw in a cameo by Bill Paxton for good measure and sit back and watch the carnage unfold. And the movie actually has a fun, memorable score by James (Aliens, The Abyss and Braveheart) Horner to tap your feet to while the body count escalates.

The Fifth Element - I'm convinced this is a bad movie masquerading as an original roller coaster ride of energetic creativity. I also believe that Luc Besson did indeed come up with the plot and the script for this movie when he was sixteen years old, as he so proudly and once publicly stated. It's peppered with glorified, teenage inspired, typical sci-fi/action moments.

But, admittedly, the teenager in me actually lives for those moments.

I agree with my friend Nicky and as he puts it, "Bruce Willis is actually good in the part of Korben Dallas and transcends his character by portraying someone who doesn't belong in that 'cartoon-ized' future era. Which is why he finds himself developing a bond with Leeloo who, as the pinacle of this cartoonized (reality) and (is an) impossibly (gorgeous) alien figure, is as estranged from that universe as he is. The subtleties contrasting with the in your face elements Luc Besson uses to protray the future in a screaming orgy of color and excess are amazing."

And speaking of screaming orgies of excess...

Armageddon - My buddy Justin can't quite understand why I like this movie... and neither can I exactly. In fact, I'll argue with anyone who honestly thinks this is genuinely a great movie. And I can't even really stand Michael Bay films (I haven't brought myself to check out The Island yet, sorry Obi-Wan).

Though it's just not quite as obnoxious as Bad Boys, as headache inducing as The Rock or even as mediocre as Pearl Harbor but it does go so annoyingly for all the button-pushing, flag waving, Nike commercial-looking imagery and scenes it can muster. Even for all of the attention deficit editing that Bay inflicts upon our eyeballs (which is almost *criminal*) there's enough charm and emotion that resonates from the actors (most prominently Bruce Willis who thankfully happens to be in most of the scenes of the movie) that I just can't help but like it. Liv Tyler kinda makes it easy on the eyes too.

The 'rough' and 'red' necks surrounding Willis and rounding out the macho cast (Buscemi, Duncan, Patton, Wilson, Thornton and heck, even Affleck) all pull their weight and rise to the occassion here. This tried and true concept of a bunch of irregulars on a do or die mission with impossible odds could have actually been a "great" movie in the hands of another competent director. Maybe someone who could hold a camera in place for longer than three seconds. Instead, we get a badly directed and hyper edited movie with a respectable cast and plot that deserves to be better than what it really is. An overly commericalized, massochistic music video experience of cinema that's nonetheless enjoyable... somehow.

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I'll post next time with part two of my list but in the meantime feel free to share your thoughts or even list the guilty pleasures you just can't live without in the comments below.

  Arf Maul
We'll Blow Your Planet Up!
date Posted: Sep 29, 2005 7:35 PM
Did anyone ever see Spaced Invaders? That movie was great in a very terrible way :)
Men in Black could also fit the bill :)
Joe Corroney
Drawing in the Empire
date Posted: Sep 29, 2005 7:42 PM
Yes! And what a BAD movie that was. But I remember laughing alot at it too. Spaced Invaders was in fact the very first "$1.50" movie I saw when Cinemark had just launched their second run theater chain. Man, that was so long ago...
bonemanNV
Nevada's Docking Bay 94
date Posted: Sep 29, 2005 8:01 PM
Streets of Fire. Need I say more, because I can... like you said, throw in Bill Paxton and you're sure to have a winner, turkey or not. Ed and I watched Big Trouble in Little China a few weeks ago, and I think most would place it on the not-so-good list, but I know you are a fan so maybe it doesn't count? And speaking of Mr. Willis, Tears of the Sun bombed but I've watched it twice on cable and enjoyed it both times. I'll also admit I've stopped channel surfing to watch Joe Dirt twice in the last month. I'd like to toss in Harley Davidson and the Marlboro Man for consideration as well.
  adarjapheth
The Troubles and Travails of the Fan that is -- Me.
date Posted: Sep 29, 2005 8:39 PM
Oh jeez, there's so many...

Just from my own collection:
"Buffy the Vampire Slayer" (of course)
"Dude, Where's My Car?"
"Hollow Man"
"Man-Thing"
"You've Got Mail" (if anyone asks, I'll lie about that one. :8} )
RojoTrooper
Star Wars Recycled Art Project
date Posted: Sep 29, 2005 9:25 PM
Fifth Element..((Dude))
Barb Wire..
Dukes of Hazzard
The Island..
Steven Segal Movies..
American Wedding.. OMG


Are you coming to TX? Thanks,
CE
  martygirl7
Henceforth, you shall be known as Darth...Vader.
date Posted: Sep 29, 2005 11:35 PM
I once rented a horror movie called The Refrigerator....now that was a bad film, and hilarious...

Oh Armageddon....I just hate myself for crying at the end of this movie, but it happens every time. :_|
Korpil
A Verpine's blog
date Posted: Sep 30, 2005 7:04 AM
One of the favorites in my list is the 80's classic movie Flash Gordon... I sometimes wonder what would have happened with that movie if George Lucas had indeed acquired the rights... but then again, as he didn't, we got Star Wars!
  GreenLightsaber24
GL24's Expanded Universe...Thoughts, Databases, and more!
date Posted: Sep 30, 2005 7:44 AM
I once read that a film professor calculated that there is a cut every 2.3 seconds in Armagaddon...that's enough to make me want to avoid the film!
gdg_kenobi
Granta Poodoo
date Posted: Sep 30, 2005 8:54 AM
I have to throw "Waterworld" into this thread. Man, I loves me some "Waterworld." I think I saw it 3 times in the theater.

I feel dirty now...
RojoTrooper
Star Wars Recycled Art Project
date Posted: Sep 30, 2005 12:06 PM
Grant!!
What about Postman?
Thx,
Chris
JediMasterScully
I am NOT a committee!!
date Posted: Sep 30, 2005 2:45 PM
Who's That Girl - Madonna
An American Werewolf in Paris
Robin Hood: Men In Tights
Tremors
and . . . . .Test Tube Teens From the Year 2000 - they should pay you for watching that movie. But it's just funny, and it makes me laugh so I have to watch it.:x
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Sep 30, 2005 6:50 PM
Krull - because it hurts so much to watch, it's funny. The tagline was "A world light-years beyond your imagination" - because, let's face it, who'd bother to imagine crap like a five-bladed frisbee...

Just recently, Triple X State of the Union - because they've found an ingenious way to liquify cliche and spray it all over Washington DC
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Sep 30, 2005 6:50 PM
Die Hard, Harder, Hardest, Hardly - because it was interesting to see who would win the contest between Axel Foley and John McClane in the most incidents of an off-duty rogue cop operating outside of his jurisdiction

Sum of All Fears - because I really want one of those wireless PDA's that can find a signal in the middle of a nuclear blast zone despite EMP, ambiant radiation and, oh, I dunno, no towers or antenae left. Cuz that's coo, man.
Joe Corroney
Drawing in the Empire
date Posted: Oct 01, 2005 12:42 AM
Boneman -Streets of Fire! Early Willem Dafoe and Michael Pare' when he was almost watchable. Good call! Don't forget Rick Rossovich (Slider from Top Gun) also cameos. It seems like he followed Paxton around in 1984, right to Cameron's Terminator set.
Which brings me to another bad movie I love starring those two over-actors - Navy Seals, with Michael Biehn (Kyle Reese) too!

You and I know that Big Trouble in Little China is a true work of art :)

Harley Davidson and the Marlboro Man - Mickey Rourke and Don Johnson action-er! I forgot about that classic, that one definitely could make this list.


Joe Corroney
Drawing in the Empire
date Posted: Oct 01, 2005 12:46 AM
RojoTrooper - I'm not coming down for the Dallas Con in October unfortunately but I'd love to check it out eventually. Ben and Philip (the promoters) invited me years back but I just find it hard to make the time after the summer convention season. Let us know how it goes though!
Joe Corroney
Drawing in the Empire
date Posted: Oct 01, 2005 12:48 AM
The Refrigerator? Never saw that one but it brings to mind Tobe Hooper's The Mangler or Eric Roberts (along with James Earl Jones and Stan Lee?) in Larry Cohen's The Ambulance. Pee-ewwww!
Joe Corroney
Drawing in the Empire
date Posted: Oct 01, 2005 12:50 AM
I once read that a film professor calculated that there is a cut every 2.3 seconds in Armagaddon...that's enough to make me want to avoid the film!

That is hilarious! I commend said professor for enduring that most painful research!
Joe Corroney
Drawing in the Empire
date Posted: Oct 01, 2005 12:57 AM
Flash Gordon! I love that movie, mostly for the Queen soundtrack, Max Von Sydow as Ming the Merciless and Timothy Dalton and Brian Blessed to boot. Not so much for Sam Jones as Flash though. But the actress who played Princess Aura! Holy moly.... Flash is an excellent choice and would also make my Bad Movies I Love list!

Waterworld - Again, I must concede this is another excellent choice and I too have a soft spot for this flick. Don't feel bad Grant, I saw this one in the theater twice myself. Dennis Hopper in the eyepatch just ruled this movie!
Joe Corroney
Drawing in the Empire
date Posted: Oct 01, 2005 1:03 AM
Scully! Tremors is a great movie! It's not *bad* (I don't think...) ;) Kevin Bacon and Fred Ward are hilarious in this movie. So is Michael Gross (of TV's Family Ties fame). I thought it worked across the board as both an homage and a send up of B-movie monster flicks from the 50's.
Probably Ron Underwood's best movie... yep better than City Slickers.

Speaking of Fred Ward - I have to throw in Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins for honorable mention. Not quite that good really, but not totally without merit either so it could probably make my list.
Joe Corroney
Drawing in the Empire
date Posted: Oct 01, 2005 1:09 AM
Moosie! I love the first two Die Hards, those are not *bad* movies. McTiernan and Willis made the *ultimate* action film with the first film and Renny Harlin peaked in his directing career with Die Harder. But the the third one (sorry Mace Windu) definitely would make my list.

Speaking of Harlin, how about Cuthroat Island? Is there anything redeeming enough about that film to make the "Bad Movies We Love" list? Maybe just seeing Geena Davis as a pirate? I'm borderline with this one, maybe it is a true turkey.

Krull? Yes, you guys just nailed another one. Good call Moosinator!
JediMasterScully
I am NOT a committee!!
date Posted: Oct 02, 2005 12:06 AM
I guess maybe I think Tremors is bad mostly because I have to watch it weekly! My son loves the movie!
Joe Corroney
Drawing in the Empire
date Posted: Oct 02, 2005 12:29 AM
That's so awesome :)
bonemanNV
Nevada's Docking Bay 94
date Posted: Oct 02, 2005 1:38 AM
Remo Williams should fall into the good, Buckaroo Banzai or CHerry 2000 could fall towards your list, were you so inclined. Tremors no doubt is classic!
  Eirtaé
Rebel Heart
date Posted: Oct 02, 2005 1:47 PM
Fifth Element - I love Bruce Willis on it, and I laugh like mad with that movie, I can't help it.

Bad Boys & Bad Boys II - Sorry but I can watch them to no end only to see Will Smith :D
JediMasterScully
I am NOT a committee!!
date Posted: Oct 02, 2005 1:52 PM
What can I say, the kid has taste! Besides he has me for a mother! :p
The Dark Moose
Moose Poodoo
date Posted: Oct 06, 2005 4:21 PM
Remo Williams and Buckaroo Banzai. Oh dear god.

I'd watch Buckaroo just to see the infamous "Watch for the Upcoming Adventures" snafu :0) 21 years and counting....helleeeuuu?

  GreenLightsaber24
GL24's Expanded Universe...Thoughts, Databases, and more!
date Posted: Oct 06, 2005 5:31 PM
That is hilarious! I commend said professor for enduring that most painful research!

I read about that professor, appropriately enough, during a college film class, and I know that in some text books, Armagaddon is pointed to as the "What not to do" portion of making a film.
  wartime consiglieri
The Headless Jedi
date Posted: Nov 09, 2006 9:39 PM
Cobra? Oh, boy, you are hardcore.
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