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Marvolo's Misanthropic Musings
date posted: Nov 08, 2006 9:46 AM  |  updated: Nov 14, 2006 9:31 AM
Dammit Jim, I'm a Star Wars fan, not a Trekkie!
Good news: I am not alone at university in my love for science fiction! Indeed, my school has a science fiction club! I'm off to the meeting! Farewell to my lonely nights of blogging, reading old comics, and lurking on various forums!

Bad news: They're watching Star Trek.


Star Trek: the franchise that is, for some reason, hated and mocked by many a Star Wars fan. For a time, I simply went along with it. Of course, there had to be some fallacious reasoning on my part in there, as I was probably submitting to some sort of mob mentality present in the Star Wars fandom. Never mind that I had never actually bothered to watch anything Star Trek in my entire life. There was just something about Trekkies that I didn't like. Perhaps it was me blindly following the crowd on this matter. Perhaps it was a conclusion I reached myself after being exposed to numerous stereotypes. Or perhaps it was those jerks right behind me in the line at a convention who were convinced that standing an inch away from me and constantly bumping me when they talked with their hands while complaining about the wait (as if their situation was unique!) would get them inside to buy the exclusive Captain Kirk action figure faster. That was the problem with that particular convention. Some guys named William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy showed up, drawing in hoards of Trekkies. Apparently they were a big deal or something.

And then there is the constant frustration that comes with being mistaken for a Trekkie because I happen to like Star Wars. (copied shamelessly from my comment at anakinside1's blog.

Clueless individual: What's your favourite movie?
Me: Star Wars.
Clueless individual: Oh, so you're a Trekkie, right?
Me: No, Trekkies are Star Trek fans...
Clueless individual: Same difference.
Me: Actually...
Clueless individual: Live long and prosper! Did I do that right?
Me: *sigh*

Needless to say, I had some misgivings about watching the antithesis of all that I stood for, among the heathens, to boot! Would watching Star Trek undermine my until-then unconditional love for the Star Wars saga? Would hanging out with Trekkies be considered consorting with the enemy, resulting in my shunning and forced removal from the Star Wars fandom and the official site? Would I be assimilated by said Trekkies like the Borg to, well, whomever they assimilate, and walk out of the room discussing the technical specifications of the Enterprise in Klingon? Or, horrors of horrors, would I actually enjoy the show out of my own free will? Blasphemy, indeed!

So, after much deliberation, I decided to attend a night of Trekkies, popcorn, and confusion on my part. After all, friends are good to have, even if they conduct marriage ceremonies in a fictional alien language. And besides, Ronald D. Moore, the producer of the re-imagined Battlestar Galactica (a show I absolutely love), used to work on Star Trek. Yes, I was stretching to justify my viewing of these shows, but really, how bad could it be?

Not bad at all, according to my verdict.

I made a set of observations consisting of broad generalizations from watching five episodes. I don't profess to be an expert on the subject by any stretch of the imagination. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if many of the points I make here are misinformed, over-generalizations, or flat-out wrong.

The episode we saw from the original series (Mirror, Mirror) was delightfully cheesy and surprisingly entertaining. I believe I would watch more episodes from the original series, solely for that reason. Sure, I didn't understand why everyone started laughing when McCoy said "I'm a doctor, not an engineer!" Nevertheless, it was fun to watch.

The biggest problem is the excessive amount of technobabble on the show. It seemed to be progressively more abundant as the episodes became more recent. Perhaps this is the reason why Star Trek is generally perceived as more "geeky" compared to Star Wars. I view technobabble as a necessary evil that is used to develop a futuristic science fiction setting. However, it should not be both the cause for and the solution to every problem that our heroes encounter.

Every episode of a show should not be reducible to:
Character #1: Oh no! The technobabble technobabble technobabble technobabble technobabble technobabble!
Character #2: We're doomed!
Character #3: Well, what if we technobabble technobabble technobabble technobabble technobabble technobabble technobabble technobabble technobabble technobabble technobabble technobabble?
Character #2: But surely that's impossible!
Character #3: * Does technobabble technobabble technobabble technobabble technobabble technobabble technobabble technobabble technobabble technobabble technobabble technobabble anyway. *
Character #2: We're saved!

Now, I'm certain that not every episode follows this formula, but Star Trek seemed to use it extensively as a plot device. In addition to making the show redundant, this diminishes much of the human element of storytelling. Human failures, in my opinion, are far more compelling than technological or mechanical failures. One could make the case that Star Wars also relies on a spiritual element (the force for special abilities and the will of the force as a determinant) and a technological element (a precise hit on the exhaust post leading to the main reactor to destroy the entire battlestation). However, these are not the main elements of the story that drive the plot. Star Wars is first a story of tragedy as a man loses everything through his personal faults and his choices, and later a mythological journey by his son to redeem him. It could have taken place with or without superweapons, lightsabers, or reconfiguring the dish array, for that matter.

Following that, conflict between crew members didn't seem to exist. Sure, Kirk didn't exactly see eye to eye with the evil bearded Spock from an alternate reality that he encountered in Mirror, Mirror, but that doesn't really count. I find this less believable than some of the bizarre time warps that take place in Star Trek. Seriously, are viewers really expected to believe that an entire crew can stay cooped up on a ship for five years and not have any conflicts beyond "I'm a doctor, not a mechanic!"? Han and Leia are constantly going at each other during A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back. The folks living on Serenity aren't always one big happy family either. And the Battlestar Galactica is a giant flying powder keg of animosity, hostility, and dysfunctional relationships among humans ranging from normal to psychologically frakked.

It is extremely surprising that crew members on Star Trek never want to tear each other apart once and a while. Sure, they aren't cardboard cut-outs with no personality, but they always seem to get along. One glaring exception to this was Deep Space Nine (the episode I watched was Valiant, which was written by none other than Ronald D. Moore), where two characters (Jake Sisko and Ensign Nog) are brought aboard a ship crewed by the talented group of Starfleet cadets. While Jake recognizes the overconfidence of the crew, Nog idealizes them, awestruck by their abilities and by blinded by his excitement to be working with them. Arguments ensue, and Jake gets in trouble for his apparent pessimism. But for the most part (of the other four episodes I watched, anyway), the characters of Star Trek were altruistic, and the conflict lay in their reacting in a rational manner to whatever technology or their encounters with the unknown dealt them.

However, it wasn't all bad. As much as I prefer human conflict, the idea of venturing into the unknown is a good one. There is something about the opening narration that makes an excited grin appear on my face as I hear: "Space, the final frontier." Space exploration has fascinated me since I was young. In many ways, Star Trek appeals to all of our childhood dreams of climbing aboard a spaceship and venturing out to explore the infinite reaches of outer space. And it does so with youthful idealism, free from politics, corruption, and bickering. The characters are projections of some sort of human ideal; while they aren't perfect, they meet each challenge with courage and righteousness, never compromising their morals. Battlestar Galactica constantly poses the question, "is humanity worth saving?" In Star Trek, the answer is known all along as a definitive "yes." Star Trek offers a hopeful vision of a better future. This future is brought about not by advanced technology, but by those who had the resolve to make things better.

I do believe I've performed a reverse Ron Moore here, by constantly bringing up Battlestar Galactica while talking about Star Trek (Moore constantly talks about Star Trek in his Battlestar Galactica podcast commentaries). But they are both pertinent to the subject of science fiction television. I won't get going on the subject too much, since this is blog is already a decent length, but I will conclude by saying that I hope the Star Wars television show draws upon elements from both. There is much less exploration of the unknown in Star Wars, since the galaxy has been, for the most part, mapped out millennia ago. However, as an expanded universe fan, I have always been excited to see new worlds and species. The Dark Nest Trilogy was fascinating to me because the characters came face to face with fear itself by exploring the unknown. As for elements from Battlestar Galactica, I would love for the Star Wars television show to be dark, character-driven, and have story arcs longer than one episode (not to mention minimal technobabble!).

So there you have it, folks! It is possible to watch Star Trek and emerge with your love for Star Wars (not to mention your sanity) intact! As they say, don't knock it 'till you've tried it!

The completely unnecessary postscript: Wow, I leave for the weekend and suddenly this blog is topping the charts (yes, a first for me) and my inbox is bursting with comments. If you still feel the need to get your word in on the subject, follow the link below to my livejournal and leave a comment. You can leave anonymous comments if you are not a livejournal user.

Link.

Thanks for the witty comments, the enlightenment on the finer points of Star Trek, and the insight into a franchise that used to baffle me (largely because I had never bothered to watch it). But seriously, I'm out of it for a while, and...ah, you know the rest.

Live long and prosper!

  Marvolo7
Marvolo's Misanthropic Musings
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 9:47 AM
Yes, I know this blog fails to explain my recent avatar change. Well, the truth is, the Anakin Solo avatar was going to be following the theme of a blog about that character. Unfortunately, it turned into another monster blog and has yet to be completed.

More on that later. Much later...
  Lord_Noctifer
Ponderings and Postulates from a Penitent Sith Lord.
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 9:55 AM
It is possible to watch Star Trek and emerge with your love for Star Wars (not to mention your sanity) intact

You are correct. I usually don't mind watching a few episodes for the cheesiness factor of old sci-fi. Plus, I love seeing Kirk get slightly depressed in "The Trouble with Tribbles" when Scotty admits that he decked the Klingons not because they isulted Kirk but because they called the Enterprise a piece of junk.
  janlomona
Smugglers Rants
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 10:05 AM
Love Trek, Love it, unashamedly. To be honest, I probably love it almost as much as Star Wars, but for totally different reasons. Star Wars just grabbed me when I was 7 and never let go, Trek I got into primarily because ILM did the effects, and it rolled from there. When SW disappeared, Trek was huge again, and the 2 just live happily alongside each other, in my mind and my collection room (or Mecca as a friend christened it)
Got hitched last month at the Star Trek Experience in Vegas - brilliant, Klingon on the bridge, everything was amazing.
Long live Trek I say. It has a lot of heart.
  Sam The Smuggler
Things...Stuff
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 10:19 AM
I've been a constant fan of Both Star Trek and Star Wars going on 21 -22 years now. I'm 26, so obviously, I was exposed to both at a very young age.

Ok, gonna make another comment, it won't let me make this too big
  Sam The Smuggler
Things...Stuff
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 10:20 AM
I've enjoyed all the Trek shows, but the one that most impressed me was DS9, the one Ron Moore worked on the most. IIt's pretty much a Mix of Traditional Trek and the new BSG (which I adore). True, it's not as intense as the new BSG, but it's so far beyond what Trek is about and yet, it's everything Trek is about. Even if you don't get into other Star Trek shows Marvolo, Give DS9 a try. It may not be as apparent when the show starts, but It's brilliant...maybe brilliant just for a Star Trek show or TV in general, you be the judge. Let me just say this..the ending to season 2 set the stage for the next 5 Seasons. :)
  Sam The Smuggler
Things...Stuff
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 10:37 AM
DS9 still had it's share of Technobabel, but it was more character and story driven than the other Treks. VOY used Technobabel in excess, but I still found it entertaining.

Sure DS9 had filler episodes, but unless you're watching 24(love that too), ya wanna see the characters living life away from the arc sometimes..
  vadersgirl33
vadersgirl_reflections
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 10:46 AM
You can have both, IMO. I like watching the movies more than the tv series, though. Back when I was a kid, the graphics and stuff in the series was just fine. Today, they pale in comparison to the movies. Maybe I should re-watch the series again. To me, I like both Star Wars and Star Trek. It doesn't bother me. Everybody is different and likes different stuff. You either like Star Trek and still be a fan of Star Wars, or you don't. The choice is per individual. I will always like Star Trek, but Star Wars will always be first.

vadersgirl33
usetheforce19
MasterMonkey13
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 10:53 AM
Wow, did you hurt your hand typing technobabble so many times?

May the Force be with us all! God bless!
  Sam The Smuggler
Things...Stuff
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 10:53 AM
Ok, I hate to take up another comment spot, but I'll bring it up before somebody else does. It's been said that Babylon 5 did the story arcs better than DS9 and maybe it did, but that's no reason to shun DS9. I haven't seen enough of B5 to have an opinion on that though.
  BountyHunterBossk421
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 11:26 AM
The spandex in Star Trek burns my eyes out!
  RC-6035 "Nova"
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 11:49 AM
The spandex in Star Trek burns my eyes out!

Two quotes, only one of which has much of anything to do with this blog.

"Oh, my eyes! Artoo, help--quickly! Help!" (Oh, c'mon! You know where this is from!)

"You actually go outside in these things?"
"What'd you prefer; yellow spandex?!"

Nothin' wrong with loving both space epics--my dad is a huge Trek fan.... and he was the one who got me into Star Wars. Now let's all go and repair the technobabble technobabble technobabble! Huzzah!
hansgirl3
Invoking the Squee
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 12:02 PM
Congrats, Marvy, on 2 things! First, on locating a Sci-Fi club! I was in one in University as well and had a great time! Second, on going into experiencing Trek with an open mind!! ;)

I've been a long-time Trek fan myself; long before SW came out, actually! My dad and I used to watch the original episodes together and it's one of the things I cherish about my childhood.

Sure, I didn't understand why everyone started laughing when McCoy said "I'm a doctor, not an engineer!"

Running joke ~ in many episodes, Bones would say, "I'm a doctor, not a ____." (fill in the blank with whatever he's being asked to do) It becomes very humorous!

Cont...

hansgirl3
Invoking the Squee
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 12:03 PM
Anyway, as far as the characters, the more you watch the episodes, I believe you'll find more of the character conflict you're looking for and less of the technobabble you think you're seeing, especially in the original episodes. Those are my all-time favorites. I like Next Generation quite well, especially AFTER the first season and I really like Voyager a lot.

I, personally, didn't like DS9. To each his own, though. You may find you like it. I haven't watched Enterprise.

I'm definitely a fan of the movies, especially after the first movie. They could have done that one better. I also could have done without the 3rd movie, but whatever... :p
  darkdude#1
Battle front III- include Yuuzhan Vong or not?
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 1:01 PM
Wow, nice story. To me Trekkies and Star Wars geeks seemed like Democrats and Republicans, they don't get along but they can. I'm a trekkie and a Star Wars geeks which either makes me Indipendant or Ralph Nader?:| ....
  darkdude#1
Battle front III- include Yuuzhan Vong or not?
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 1:03 PM
BTW: DS9 sucks 'cause now its to boldly stay where no one has stayed before.
  Sam The Smuggler
Things...Stuff
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 1:47 PM
BTW: DS9 sucks 'cause now its to boldly stay where no one has stayed before.

How much if it did you watch?
  darthlando22
The Starship Enterprise
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 2:33 PM
My blog title says all.......

And William Shatner is really funny, especially in Boston Legal.
The Stooge
Star Wars Joke-A-Day
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 2:42 PM
Heh heh heh. Very entertaining! I suppose everyone has a first time when it comes to Trek.

And you're dead right about technobabble. The best Trek episodes are the one where technology barely plays a part... where it's all about characters in the future dealing with issues we can relate to in the present. But the worst eps are the ones when their futuristic machines decide to break down, something nobody nowadays can really care about. :)
  RiverTam
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 3:03 PM
But the worst eps are the ones when their futuristic machines decide to break down, something nobody nowadays can really care about.

Because the futuristic machines we have today never break down.
  Japanese Fett
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 5:55 PM
Oh, how much I hate that Star Trek franchise. Down with da Trekkies, yo!

Sayonara, & MTFBWY (-_-)
gencrs
Technical Manuals from The GFFA
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 6:06 PM
I never liked the original Star Trek, but I really enjoyed TNG and DS9. I never really got into Voyager or Enterprise, but my mom really likes them.
  jediprincess77
I Know...
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 6:44 PM
I gave Star Trek a try. A couple tries actually. Yet, I kept turning back to SW whole-heartedly. I just can't get into Trek, but I'm OK with others enjoying it. Goodness knows I get judged enough for loving SW so much (sci fi anything for that matter), I just can't bring myself to place that same judgement on Trekkies. I'm glad you feel the same way.

I do get quite annoyed when people (who think they are so clever they are the first to say such things to me) say something to the effect of, "Hey JP! What if you marry a TREKKIE! Ha ha! Ha ha ha! Ha ha!"

Ugh...I can't tell you how many times I've gotten that one...
jkthunder
Seven Pieces
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 7:44 PM
Took me a little while to stop giggling at the first part of this entry, and beleive me, I'm not the giggly type :p

There really is no denying the Ron Moore factor, is there? But he didn't write for the original series. - Reading on, seeing that you realize that -... So at least theres a palpable progression from campy, to less campy with the newer ST (I don't follow it either).

There are a lot of subtle differences, but one big factor I see sets Star Trek apart from the other examples. In Star Trek they are on an organized mission where they are prepared and epected to be tolerant of years long service on a ship. TNBSG (ahhhh), and most of the others, the onboard tension derives from desperation.

  Marvolo7
Marvolo's Misanthropic Musings
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 8:01 PM
Scotty admits that he decked the Klingons not because they isulted Kirk but because they called the Enterprise a piece of junk.

That's hilarious! I'll have to make a point to see that one. It's like Kaylee's reaction to people calling Serenity a piece of junk, but better! :^O

I probably love it almost as much as Star Wars, but for totally different reasons.

For sure, the two are so different, but both are enjoyable.
  Marvolo7
Marvolo's Misanthropic Musings
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 8:02 PM
Even if you don't get into other Star Trek shows Marvolo, Give DS9 a try.

The episode of DS9 was probably the one I most enjoyed (cheese factor of the originals aside). It's pretty daunting to see so many seasons of so many different series of Star Trek, but I would like to give DS9 a watch if I ever find the time. And yeah, 24 has become a recent obsession of mine, too.

Back when I was a kid, the graphics and stuff in the series was just fine.

It's so much fun to watch them now, simply because everything looks cheesy and fake. But the beaming is still pretty cool.

Wow, did you hurt your hand typing technobabble so many times?

Two words: copy and paste.
The Stooge
Star Wars Joke-A-Day
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 8:22 PM
:^O I hate you, River Tam.
  Marvolo7
Marvolo's Misanthropic Musings
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 8:25 PM
The spandex in Star Trek burns my eyes out!

Oh yeah, I forgot to put that one in my observations: the outfits get progressively better as the shows become more recent.

"You actually go outside in these things?"
"What'd you prefer; yellow spandex?!"


OK, I'm lost here.
  Marvolo7
Marvolo's Misanthropic Musings
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 8:27 PM
as far as the characters, the more you watch the episodes, I believe you'll find more of the character conflict you're looking for and less of the technobabble you think you're seeing

I would definitely like to watch more Trek (though at the moment, I'm booked solid with essays until the Christmas break!) I figure it makes a huge difference when you watch the series in order, rather than a sampling of one or two from each series, as we did during the marathon. And the movies...now that I understand "I'm a doctor..." I'd like to understand "KHAAAAAAAAAN!" :^O

I'm a trekkie and a Star Wars geeks which either makes me Indipendant or Ralph Nader

And I'm confused. What was the analogy again?
  Marvolo7
Marvolo's Misanthropic Musings
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 8:31 PM
My blog title says all...

Hear, hear!

Down with da Trekkies, yo!

See Darthlando's blog title.

But the worst eps are the ones when their futuristic machines decide to break down, something nobody nowadays can really care about.

Because the futuristic machines we have today never break down.


:^O

Seriously though, I prefer the character-driven conflict. Or maybe I watch too much BSG. Or both.
Jedi Master Mina
Another Galaxy, another time
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 8:46 PM
Dang girl, what a long read...Good read, but long!!

How can I fault Star Trek...I can't. I was raised on it. The TV series is ok, but the movies (original) are great. My first love was Star Trek...*Mina ducks from bloggers throwing tomatoes at her*...But I had an awakening when the Star Wars PT movies came out. In the end, it doesn't really matter. I love all sci-fi. I just prefer Star Wars. ;)
  Japanese Fett
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 9:35 PM
See Darthlando's blog title.
Oh... I see. Ummmm......yeah.......ummm....yeah....okay.

Sayonara, & MTFBWY (-_-)
  Son of a Bith
The Cantina Corner
date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 11:17 PM
Over the summer I watched the original Trek movie... and liked it. Lots of people bash it as boring, but it had such a level of eeriness and mystery about it (like 2001: A Space Odyssey) that hooked me. And how can you not like that sound you hear when V'Ger appears? BWAWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANG!!!!!:D
  leialookalike1
date Posted: Nov 09, 2006 5:39 AM
I don't mind star trek, and agree that DS9 was one of the better ones, but the latest one, SImply called enterprise was well done as well.
  RiverTam
date Posted: Nov 09, 2006 10:33 AM
I hate you, River Tam.

I know.
  Sam The Smuggler
Things...Stuff
date Posted: Nov 09, 2006 10:50 AM
How could anyone hate River Tam...aside from Jayne Cobb,lol
  rivet head
WILL TYPE STAR WARS BLOG FOR FOOD!
date Posted: Nov 09, 2006 11:27 AM
Know what? I think SW and ST aren't the real "opposites" here.

If any of these franchises are opposites, it's Star Trek and Firefly. Trek is overly optimistic and spends much of its time obsessing over the 'betterment' of humanity. Firefly portrays a group considered disposable by that same push for betterment, and shows how hard it is for those "expendable" folks to get on when the odds are against them. Trek ships: clean, bright, fast. Serenity: old, dark, held together by Kaylee's band-aids & duct tape.

Trek has its merits, but Firefly is more relatable to me. But cheer up, Marvy. To outsiders, a geek is a geek, no matter the franchise.
hansgirl3
Invoking the Squee
date Posted: Nov 09, 2006 2:48 PM
I'd like to understand "KHAAAAAAAAAN!"

Original series, episode #24, "Space Seed" was his original appearance...

Check it out! It was one of my favorite episodes, actually! :D Nothing compares to "The Trouble With Tribbles" mind you, but still a great episode!!
  Oboe-Wan
Oboe-Wan's Hive of Scum & Villainy
date Posted: Nov 09, 2006 5:30 PM
I once dated a Trekkie in college. It was an interesting experience to say the least. But in the end, it all comes down to the Beatles vs. Elvis theory: you can't like both equally as much. Same w/SW & ST. You can enjoy them both, but always turns out you are attached to one more than the other.

Though, Wrath of Khan remains one of my favorite Sci-Fi movies of all time.... FOR SHAME!!! :^O
  Sam The Smuggler
Things...Stuff
date Posted: Nov 09, 2006 5:39 PM
it all comes down to the Beatles vs. Elvis theory: you can't like both equally as much. Same w/SW & ST. You can enjoy them both, but always turns out you are attached to one more than the other.

Perhaps on some unconscious level, but I'm awake when I watch Star Trek and Star Wars,lol
  srodgers
date Posted: Nov 09, 2006 6:55 PM
Wow, a StarWars blog that doesn't have an over abundance of "boo Trek". The end is near. I have always like the original STand SW. Most of ST:TNG and ST:DS9. Forget the other 2. Enjoyed most of both sets of movies. However I would say EP:II is as bad as ST:V (movie). I'm more of an SW:OT person. I'd like to think that both ST and SW could coexist somewhere in the universe. And NO, not fighting each other! - Japanese Fett-
(But personnally, I'd like to see the biggest Klingon VS. a Wookie, I like Trek,
but, remember- "Let the Wookie win.")
  srodgers
date Posted: Nov 09, 2006 7:00 PM
???????????????????????Okay, How did I put the YODA faces in there?
The first was suposed to be ST deepspace 9. the second Star Wars Original person.
  obi-dil kenobi
date Posted: Nov 09, 2006 7:19 PM
"technobabble"

*scooby doo laugh*

re-he-he-he-he!
  zach starwalker
date Posted: Nov 09, 2006 7:30 PM
your fraternizing with the enemy or are you undercover]:)
  Snake Plissken Katarn
date Posted: Nov 09, 2006 8:57 PM
I salute your openmindedness and insite. While I dislike the stereotypes that are made about Trekkies and Star Woids (That's what i've heard people call us...) being the same, I did enjoy ST. Voyager (Mainly because of seven of nine :). I think the main reason I like Star Wars better is that I never have time to watch TV with any regularity. Also, I agree that most ST episodes (particularly The Next Generation) seem to follow the same pattern.
  "The Ewok"
date Posted: Nov 09, 2006 11:15 PM
If more info is pumped in to my head I may go into some technoblabber technoblabber technoblabber technoblabber technoblabber technoblabber technoblabber technoblabber technoblabber technoblabber....technoblabber.


That may cause even more technoblabber technoblabber technoblabber technoblabber technoblabber....which would technoblabber....



Wellanywaygottagogoodbloghopeyouhavefunreadingthiscanyoureadityouprobablycan...goodbloggoodeveninggoodnightgoodmorninggoodafternoon....
  darthcarth
Join the Nail Side of the Thumb!
date Posted: Nov 09, 2006 11:56 PM
I LOOOOOOOOOVE to watch episodes of TNG, especially ones featuring Lt. Barkley. That guy is awsome!
  Master Asmodeus
date Posted: Nov 10, 2006 12:23 AM
I've to agree with darthcarth, Lt. Barkley is fantastic. TNG suffered from too many near-perfect people in the beginning, but Barkley certainly balanced that out. Hopeless, but you love him for it.

I also agree that one thing will ultimately end up being given more time than another, but that's no reason to give up the lesser of the two.

Keep on Trekkin', and MTFBWY.
  JediMasterEd89
date Posted: Nov 10, 2006 9:24 AM
Eh i really don't like Star Trek mainly because it is so chessy. Although my dad was a fan of both Star Wars and Star Trek I was basically raised to like both, although Star Trek is really annoying after awhile i mean how many times are you going to have mechanical malfunctions on a ship that is meant for being a home and a battle station?
  Unknown33
The Jedi, love, and the everlasting hatred
date Posted: Nov 10, 2006 9:40 AM
AAHHH! I totally understand.

I'm one of a handful of Star Wars fans in my town.

Like you said, The Clueless Individual. "Live Long and Prosper! Did I do that right?"
No matter how many times you tell them, they always forget and mix them up.

In any case, I'm not totally innocent. I used to watch a lot of Star Trek, the various series and the movies. Well because I am a Space/Future fan ( I hate saying Sci Fi).

I love Titan A.E. ,one of the best films ever made next to Star Wars.

I HATE Star Trek, as well as various other pathetic space series.
  Sam The Smuggler
Things...Stuff
date Posted: Nov 10, 2006 9:48 AM
Disregarding one's preference on sports, a good analogy to explain that SW and ST are not the same is to tell them "Say Star Wars and Star Trek are the same thing is like saying Football and Baseball are the same sport."

Seems to make sense to me atleast. ;)
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