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Master Yoda's Visions(by a "Dutch Yoda")

by: Jedimca0

date posted: Aug 16, 2006 4:02 AM | updated: Aug 16, 2006 8:43 AM

Darth Sidious, a Genius or not?

Was Darth Sidious a genius or was he just lucky to pull of his sceme?

I believe Darth Sidious aka Chancellor Palpatine was indeed a genius, he got himself elected as supreme chancellor of the republic, he almost wiped out the jedi and he became the galaxy's First Galactic Emperor and all of that in just 13 years. But the planning took far longer. And in the end he screwed up.

It al started with him manipulating the Viceroy of the Trade Federation and building up the Droid Army. Then when the time was finally right he ordered the blockade of the defenseless and innocent planet of Naboo. When he learned that the Jedi had gotten involved sooner than he wanted, he ordered Nute Gunray to accelerate their plan(his plan). The invasion started and soon Naboo was under their complete control.
This is when his minions made the first mistake, they allowed the Queen of Naboo and the jedi to escape, or did they. Palpatine would never have been Chancellor if queen Amidala didn't propose a vote of no confidence in chancellor Valorum. So this means Sidious planed for her to escape, but this would mean that he knew the jedi were coming disguised as ambassadors. So in this phase there were no mistakes.
The invasion of Naboo was just a test. It was meant to test the Droid Army.
The test failed.

So now Sidious had to modernize his droid army he did this by building better battle droids that could take on the Jedi and win.
Meanwhile Darth Tyranus aka Count Dooku went to the Moons of Bogden to recruit Jango Fett. Before or directly after he did this he went to Kamino. There, posing as Jedi Master Sifo-Dyas, he ordered the creation of a Clone Army for the republic.
Ten years after the fiasco at Naboo the two Sith Lords had formed the separatist alliance and thousands of star systems left the republic and joined the separatists.

At this time the jedi were overwhelmed and Sidious knew it. This is why the jedi did not appose to the idea to grant the Chancellor emergency powers in order to create a Grand Army Of The Republic to counter the increasing threats of the separatists.
Now it was only a matter of time before the war began. And it would not have mattered who won. The separatist army's and the republics were under the direct command of the same man, but nobody knew that.
We all saw what happened when the republic won so I am going to skip that part.
The separatists would have won the war if the republics clone army had been wiped out and the jedi were extinct. If this had happened Darth Sidious would have ruled the galaxy and Palpatine would have been forgotten(assumed dead).
If the separatists had won it would have happened during the battle over Coruscant, the republics fleet would have been destroyed and the planet would have been occupied, the clone army would have been without leadership and Darth Sidious would have put on the mask of Palpatine for one last time, he would have ordered the clones to kill the surviving jedi generals and when that was done he would have ordered the clones to surrender.

The only real failure was that Sidious was unable to wipe out the jedi. The survival of only two jedi and the offspring of Anakin. Made the defeat of the empire possible.

I would like to know what you think of this theory so please comment.

MTFBWY

Note: thanks for the warm welcome the other day and enjoy reading my blogs.

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	acklay9
date Posted: Aug 16, 2006 4:55 AM It is certainly hard to belive that the great chain of events ( clone wars ect.) that lead up to the galactic civil war were in fact planed by chancelor palpatine - darth sidious - the emperor - whatever. Although i do belive the man is a genious and most of the main events were planed. The galactic civil war was fate.

acklay9

date Posted: Aug 16, 2006 4:55 AM

The prophicy predicted that anakin would destory the sith - lord vader whom joined the dark side, killing darth sidious and then dieing himself (therfore fulfiling the prohecy). In conclusion although sith lord sidious was a very smart and cunning man, let alone evil, most of his scemes were infact planned, some of the greatest events in the history of the star wars universe cannot even be decided or controlled by the force itself - but are simpliy fate.

	acklay9
date Posted: Aug 16, 2006 4:57 AM Thanks dor the blog!

	Jedimca0 Master Yoda's Visions(by a "Dutch Yoda")
date Posted: Aug 16, 2006 5:46 AM Darth Sidious didn't think Vader(Anakin) was capable of betrayal. that's another mistake he made. Yoda's vision: Right you are, Escape your destiny you can not.

Vader'smyfather
A raisin in a giant fruit salad

date Posted: Aug 16, 2006 6:05 AM

I think it becomes very convoluted when we try to suggest that Sidious predicted and planned for everything.

Padme escaping naboo for instance and the calling the "No Confidence" Vote. He wanted that vote, but could have acheived it numerouse ways given the right events.

There are things outside of his control. But what he can do is react to events cleverly and turn things in his favour. Palpatine undoubtedly has a rough plan of how he plans to acheive his goals, but they have to be flexible to allow for events he can't predict.

Vader'smyfather
A raisin in a giant fruit salad

date Posted: Aug 16, 2006 6:05 AM

I would suggest he plans roughly on

Becoming Chancellor
Revealing the Sith to the Jedi
Creating the Clone Army
Aquiring emergency powers through the Sepratist threat
Stretching Jedi resources
Revealing himself to the Jedi, therefore instigating his capture
Accusing the Jedi of treason and issueing Order66 to destroy them
Creating the Empire

How he acheived that isn't specific

	DarthBC A bounty hunter, a sith, and a do-good jedi
date Posted: Aug 16, 2006 6:19 AM The only real failure was that Sidious was unable to wipe out the jedi. The survival of only two jedi and the offspring of Anakin. Made the defeat of the empire possible. More then two jedi survived. I think Sidious just wanted the jedi to be numbered so few, that they would be no threat to him.

The Stooge
Star Wars Joke-A-Day

date Posted: Aug 16, 2006 6:58 AM

Sure, Sidious was smart -- but he was taking a huge gamble on how Anakin would react to one circumstance after another after another... so was he just lucky?

I always preferred the view that, above all else, he was a deeply religious man. He believed it was Anakin's destiny to join the Sith, and he believed it would help him rule the galaxy. So sure, he did some plotting, but only because the Force helps those who help themselves. After all, as some dude once said, there's no such thing as luck.

	rhett0
date Posted: Aug 16, 2006 7:05 AM I've always thought that "Palpatine's plan" for takeing control was actually the Sith Orders plan. Hundreds of years of planning finally comeing together.

Jedimca0
Master Yoda's Visions(by a "Dutch Yoda")

date Posted: Aug 16, 2006 7:31 AM

I hadn't even thought of that rhett0. The plan could have been set up by The Sith even before Palpatine was born.
good catch.

More then two jedi survived. I think Sidious just wanted the jedi to be numbered so few, that they would be no threat to him.

As far as Sidious(palpatine)knew only two jedi Survived, Yoda and Obi-wan.
Any jedi that was found by the Empire was doomed, because they would have been hunted down and killed.
Sidious never believed that yoda was dead, he simply couldn't find him. The same goes for Obi-one. they just disappeared from their "radar".

	21212121212 "So be it.......21212121212"
date Posted: Aug 16, 2006 7:47 AM Did I already say "welocome, I'm 21212121212, "21" for short?" If I didnt theb you just read what I was going to say. May the Force be with you. May it be with us all!

	Jedimca0 Master Yoda's Visions(by a "Dutch Yoda")
date Posted: Aug 16, 2006 8:03 AM Yes you already welcomed me "21". but thanks for being so polite.

	StarWarsFanatic4
date Posted: Aug 16, 2006 8:30 AM Liked the blog!!!!it was wicked!!!! i agree i thiink Darth Sidious is a genuis except he forgot one important thing.....he underestimated Darth Vaders ability to love.now dont get on me about being mushy cause im not but the downfall of the empire happened cause Darth Vader loved Luke so much in the end he sacrificed himself to kill the emperor. MTFBWY

	StarWarsFanatic4
date Posted: Aug 16, 2006 8:38 AM oh yeah and you spelled sidious in your title

	StarWarsFanatic4
date Posted: Aug 16, 2006 8:52 AM sry i meant to say you spelled sidious wrong in your title

	Jedimca0 Master Yoda's Visions(by a "Dutch Yoda")
date Posted: Aug 16, 2006 8:53 AM Im sorry StarWarsFanatic4, as you can see I corrected that. Thanks to you i will never forget that u again. but it is weird no one else noticed it. Yoda's vision: Right you are, Underestimated Vaders ability to love Sidious did

	StarWarsFanatic4
date Posted: Aug 16, 2006 9:06 AM no prob jedimca0!!!!well im new to all of this to so just want to make a name for myself.you certainly have.i loved your blog and i cant wait for more!!!!! MTFBWY

sithlord9262

date Posted: Aug 16, 2006 9:40 AM

Finally someone realizes what a true genius Sidious was. The cunning and manipulative sith that dwelled beneath the kind, gentle, and old Palpatine. To have pulled off this scheme he had too have great patience, and a keen intelect. But alas he was betrayed by his loyal servant Lord Vader.

Overall I liked your blog, but I disagree with one thing.

"The only real failure was that Sidious was unable to wipe out the jedi."

This was not his mistake. His mistake was trusting Vader.

	independentjac "How long can any man fight the darkness, before he finds it in himselft?"
date Posted: Aug 16, 2006 10:07 AM Yes I believe he was very lucky. I think he had a few lucky visions and justset stuff up so he could rule the galaxy. but he did mess up in places

	Jedimca0 Master Yoda's Visions(by a "Dutch Yoda")
date Posted: Aug 16, 2006 10:24 AM "The only real failure was that Sidious was unable to wipe out the jedi." This was not his mistake. His mistake was trusting Vader. if he had succesfully wiped out the jedi he would not have needed Vader. al he would have needed was a huge army in order to rule the galaxy. In the end it was a combination of the two.

Qui-Tom Servo loves Padme
You Must Unlearn What You Have Learned

date Posted: Aug 16, 2006 10:40 AM

Sidious rise to power was the result of careful planning and hiding in the shadows for years. Holding on to that power became more difficult once he had to reveal himself to the entire galaxy as new enemies began to spring up right and left. The key to his plan was Anakin, and that was also his problem because the entire plan was built on lies. When his lies could not support the promises he made, not just to Anakin, but to others as well, problems began to crop up, the Rebellion being chief among them.

padmeskywalker77
Padme's Legacy

date Posted: Aug 16, 2006 11:17 AM

Interesting thoughts...I believe that Sidious was both a genious and a little lucky in his scheming. He was certainly smart, and he was able to pull quite a few things off that he had planned. However, some "loops" were thrown his way, namely his underestimation of Anakin/Vader, but, for the most part, he was able to readjust his plans. I wrote something on deception in the PT a while back. I made many similar points as you did, but you took a different view on this. I liked your entry...good job

Qui-Gon-Joel
Hearing the Midi-Chlorians

date Posted: Aug 16, 2006 6:31 PM

I often wonder if the whole Jedi surviving and escaping with the queen was really a part of Palps plan. As Vader'smyfather thinks, I don't think that it entirely was. For then if he had planned for it, then Anakin's discovery was definately unplanned...or perhaps fate. Even if he had hoped the jedi to survive, he certainly didn't forsee Anakin. Palps is certainly cunning and clever, but I also believe, extremely lucky...

Welcome and good blog!

	JediStriderVHS Deal with it!
date Posted: Aug 16, 2006 6:49 PM I agree with your theory, but i have one thing that i ned to point out. Sidious didn't use the invasion of Naboo to make people distrust Chancellor Valorum. And once the Naboo crisis was taken care of, the Trade Federation lost their seat in the Senate, which left them in the perfect position to be coerced into joining Count Dooku. Good blog! MTFBWY

gencrs
Technical Manuals from The GFFA

date Posted: Aug 16, 2006 10:47 PM

As the others have said, great blog. It was said earlier that Sidious may have had the basic plan in mind but the specific details weren't planned. Take for instance the queen escaping from Naboo. Even if Sidious planned that, the battle ships might have got a lucky shot when the ship's shields were down. That would have altered his plan, but he had a back up. That's just one instance, and there's more.

Again, excellent blog with a different view. Looking forward to read some more.

R, TFWBWY, A.

Marvolo7
Marvolo's Misanthropic Musings

date Posted: Aug 16, 2006 10:47 PM

The genius of Sidious is best shown by his ability to use everything fate threw his way as an opportunity, and ultimately, a step towards becoming Emperor. Sidious certainly had some long-term goals and some key elements to a plan that would make it work, but evidently, he could not control everything. Instead, Sidious was extremely opportunistic. He adapted to changing circumstances, and tailored his actions in order to use everything and everyone to his advantage. Luck was a small part of his success, but Sidious was very proficient at turning a little luck into a huge break.

	Jedimca0 Master Yoda's Visions(by a "Dutch Yoda")
date Posted: Aug 17, 2006 6:32 AM I think Sidious planed most of the major events. Although I have to emit that his ability to respond to unforeseen events saved him on more than one occasion. Luck was a small part of his success He did have a little bitt of luck, but I think his Plot would have succeeded without it. Yoda's vision: Very clever Sidious was. MTFBWY

Gotipe
Gotipe's Empire

date Posted: Aug 18, 2006 6:41 AM

Yeah, this was a great blog entry! I agree with you totally. That part that Palpatine planned the escape from Naboo didn�t I think of, but now it sounds really reasonable.

He could�ve combined the Droid Army and the Clone Army (even if the droids could be manipulated) and then gain a stronger grip of the systems under his control. Why didn�t he use geonosians to bulid the Derath Star,

? (I know about the original trilogy without Geonosis, but if you think of Star Wars as real life, not as films)

	Hoppy Har Ghost The Cormyrean Jedi's Holojournal
date Posted: Aug 18, 2006 7:46 AM I dont think that it was he himself that was the genius, im thinking the sith came up with the idea before plageius, much less him, he was simply the first one to do that to the end. And a big part of it was yoda's inability to change the jedi to fight the new sith(stated in RotS novel) and welcome to the fruit loops good blog

Lord Nightstalker

date Posted: Aug 18, 2006 7:50 AM

Because the Dark Side is focused through one individual( The Master ), the Lord of the Sith can read a decade or more in to the future as opposed to a Jedi who can predict the next few moments( handy in combat of course ).
Sidious broke the "Rule of Two" on more than one occasion before becoming Emperor. When he became Emperor, he really went to town gathering his Prophets, Acolytes, and Minions. When you spread that power around( as opposed to killing your dark side competition ), your own focus of said power is leeched from you. I believe this is the reason that certain events and individuals in the OT were out of his range of vision.
Also, the Force has a will of it's own, and the Force will get what the Force wants.

thechosenelf

date Posted: Aug 18, 2006 7:59 AM

You're correct about all the points, but I just have to add a bit more.
Palpy's failure in the Jedi destruction thing is all very good, but there was something else he couldn't do, and that is beyond any mortal, whether he be Drth Sidious or even Darth Plagus the Wise: he could not, and can never ever stop Force-sensitive people from being born, and it is through this that the last of the Empire's loyalties and horrors fade away in the form of Jedi.

	thechosenelf
date Posted: Aug 18, 2006 8:01 AM I agree, Lord Nightstalker.

Dr. Y�da
The Boy Has No Patients

date Posted: Aug 18, 2006 10:04 AM

I've thought about that before, Jedimca0. For example, his original plan for the trap over Corouscant was meant to apprentice Anakin to Dooku, but when Anakin's anger was unleashed and he beat Dooku, he saw another opportunity and made him his apprentice. But you could also say that when he found Anakin in Episode I he saw that opportunity then. After his discovery, Palpatine paved Anakin's way to the dark side. Or you could say that Darth Plagiues and that whole story with Shmi and the midi-chlorians were part of Sidious's plan to begin with.

	Dr. Y�da The Boy Has No Patients
date Posted: Aug 18, 2006 10:04 AM I've come to one final answer: Since GL was continuing the story, had an awesome plot, to write the saga knowing both sides it might have looked one way but GL had something else in mind. I think the fans should decide for themselves. Good second blog Jedimca0!

	retard18426
date Posted: Aug 18, 2006 3:56 PM I must say that this was excellent, for only your second blog. Nice work

	usetheforce19 MasterMonkey13
date Posted: Aug 19, 2006 11:16 AM I think that Darth Sidious was very lucky. Wow! Front page on your first blog! May the Force be with us all! God bless!

darth Revan524

date Posted: Aug 20, 2006 12:08 PM

He never broke the rule of two.

It possible that he planed it all, Darth Traya accurately predict the fall of the Republic 4,000 thousand years after her death.she also predict the end of Jango Fett.

"They will die a death that will last millennia, until all that remains is their code, their history, and, in the end, the shell of their armor upon the shell of a man, too easily slain by a Jedi.".
Jedi Master Kreia That might not be her real name

	solo smelly
date Posted: Aug 20, 2006 6:59 PM Hello! I just want to say welcome! Your first blog was excellant! You are off to a great start in blogging! This blog is also awesome too by the way!

solo smelly

date Posted: Aug 20, 2006 7:01 PM

Sure, Sidious was smart -- but he was taking a huge gamble on how Anakin would react to one circumstance after another after another... so was he just lucky?

Thats what I think as well! Sidious was a master of deception, and when events went against his schemes he cleverly twisted and turned those events to go in his favour. Though in some cases, he had a bit of luck, or maybe he was just plain crazy.

Like for example, he put his whole life at risk by being held captive by Dooku etc. When Anakin had to crash-land the ship on Coruscant - Palps could have easily been killed if Anakin wasn't sucessful. He placed a lot of faith in Anakin and took quite a gamble.

MTFBWY forever and always

Vector2017

date Posted: Aug 20, 2006 8:17 PM

Throughout the prequels, I get the impression that Palpatine has a combination of a great many things on his side - luck, genius, evil - not to mention, he seems to me an expert opportunist, as has been mentioned. The story about Darth Plagus and his ability to manipulate the midichlorians to create life, and the fact that Anakin mysteriously has no father, makes him a creation of the Force - albeit the Dark Side. With the hints dropped, I would gather that Plagus was responsible for that part of the "grand scheme" - but not necessarily Palpatine's scheme...I could go on, but I keep getting dinged by the 750 character warning - wicked blog!

	Master Simm
date Posted: Aug 21, 2006 12:08 AM Sidious had been planning the extermination of the jedi for ages and ages. But i have to say that he still had a bit of good luck on his side.

	Master Simm
date Posted: Aug 21, 2006 12:09 AM do u have to be a member to upload a pic on ur profile?

Master Simm

date Posted: Aug 21, 2006 12:12 AM

can someone do me a favour. I've always been wondering who had the idea of creating the clone army. It could have been Sidious form the start and he could have make it semm thet syfo dias had ordered the army to be build. Or it could have been Syfo Dias in the first place knowing about Sidious and Dooku's plan. And Sidious took advantage of this. I'm not a member and i cant make my own blog so can someone plz make 1 for me so i can read what people post. Thanks.

Jedimca0
Master Yoda's Visions(by a "Dutch Yoda")

date Posted: Aug 21, 2006 2:29 AM

do u have to be a member to upload a pic on ur profile?

Yes you have to be a member in order to get a pic on your profile.

Next time you have a question you can also use the contact blogger Icon next to my blog or just E-mail me at jedimca@jedi-council.com and I will answer al your questions, Or tell you who might be able to answer them if I can't

About the blog you mentioned please E-mail me your thoughts and I will see what I can do for you.

MTFBWY........Always.

	Master Simm
date Posted: Aug 21, 2006 5:23 AM ok. Thank you. My holidays have just finished and my school starts tomorrow. So i'll email sometime in the next few days. And i'll probally submit comments every 2 days. One more thing, your email u mentioned its on the starwars website right? Do u have to b a member for that aswell? Once again thanks for helping me out. MTFBWU

Lord Nightstalker

date Posted: Aug 21, 2006 7:26 AM

Dr. Yoda,
Dooku was living under massive dillusion. Sidious had no plans for a future with Dooku. In terms of being a Sith, Dooku was a half-hearted attempt at best. He even tells Sidious in the novelization that he "finds playing the villian fatiguing". Excuse me my old and gray apprentice, what do you mean "playing a villian"??? You ARE a villian, or didn't we cover this in our first training session?!?!
Were it not for his reputation, speaking skills, and history as a disillusioned Jedi, Sidious wouldn't have given the old gray mule a second thought. He was the perfect figurehead for the Seperatists. Beyond that, his Sith Master had long since forseen and known that Lord Tyrannus was living on borrowed time.

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