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Master Yoda's Visions(by a "Dutch Yoda")

by: Jedimca0

date posted: Nov 16, 2006 3:23 AM | updated: Nov 21, 2006 9:56 AM

Biggs Darklighter's Death.

A few days ago when I was watching A New Hope I noticed Luke doesn't move a muscle when Biggs dies, After Obi-Wan died we see a sad Luke sit in the Millennium Falcon. I understand Luke was under a lot of pressure at that moment and that he had no time to think about loosing his best friend, but after he returns to the Rebel Base on Yavin IV we don't see him cry or grieve. The only thing we see is him and the rest of the Rebel Alliance do is throw a victory party, and give medals to the Heroes. Was there no ceremony to honor the dead, to remember the sacrifice they made. I believe there was. That it's not in the movie does not mean it did not happen.

After destroying the death star Luke was overwhelmed with joy, He saved the Rebels from Death Star. This is why we don't see him grieve. I Believe that after the victory party the rebels had a short moment of silence to remember those who gave their lives to protect the Rebel Base and the rest of the galaxy from the Death Star.
After this short ceremony the rebels had to go back to work, they had to start evacuating their base. After al the Empire found them and they would not wait to retaliate, the rebels had to leave Yavin immediately. They had no time to think about their losses, they had to think about not loosing any more people, they had to get of Yavin in one piece.

Many brave Pilots, Including Biggs Darklighter, sacrificed their lives to ensure the survival of the Alliance and the to protect the galaxy from the Empire. Their sacrifice would be long remembered both by the Alliance and The New Republic.

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	GalacticBabe I Have a Bad Feeling About This!
date Posted: Nov 16, 2006 5:18 AM As Leia said when they arrived at the Rebel base, "We have no time for our sorrows."

	vadersgirl33 vadersgirl_reflections
date Posted: Nov 16, 2006 5:54 AM I believe there was a ceremony to honor the dead. I believe Biggs would want Luke to be happy that more lives were not lost because of the battle. It could have been worse- much worse. They probably had many ceremonies to honor the dead after the victory celebration. Good observation, Jedimca0. vadersgirl33

	jediprincess77 I Know...
date Posted: Nov 16, 2006 7:02 AM Babe beat me to it. That's exactly what I was going to say! Also, I think there might have been more of an explanation in the novel of what was going on in Luke's mind at the time. Great question, though!

Apprentice of Wisdom
Star Wars is a Way of Life -- Accept it (by a "Dutch Yoda")

date Posted: Nov 16, 2006 7:11 AM

Very interesting observation, MC.
I never realised how much it must have affected him, even though he doesn't show it. For I believe the Alliance and Luke cared for every man, woman and child they lost. But as you stated, there was a lot of stress that day and every soldier knew their end could come. The future of the Alliance - of the Galaxy - depended on those few brave pilots. Everyone knew from the very beginning not all would return alive.

Apprentice of Wisdom
Star Wars is a Way of Life -- Accept it (by a "Dutch Yoda")

date Posted: Nov 16, 2006 7:12 AM

The Alliance existed off multiple species and even more traditions. And I believe they are so grateful for all their men, they will honour all those traditions. But the pilots gave their lives for a cause - survival. And that came first. A moment of silence, or a funeral, might have taken place before or after the Celebration. Depending on the traditions of the dead themselves. For they had time for a Celebration.

May the Force be with You too.

JediMelindaWolf
Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.

date Posted: Nov 16, 2006 7:24 AM

I'm with you. At some point, the Rebel Alliance must have had some kind of memorial service for their comrades who had lost their lives in that epic battle. It is safe to assume the Empire would be close on the heels of the rebels, especially since Darth Vader survived. Thus, maybe only a few moments of silence were set aside. The battle was won, but the war was far from over.

cont. . .

JediMelindaWolf
Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.

date Posted: Nov 16, 2006 7:25 AM

(cont. . .)

Luke was elated - and relieved - that the Death Star was destroyed, but I'm sure he was broken up, too, about losing his best friend. Luke had grown up a lot between the time he met up with Obi-wan and destroyed the DS, so I think it isn't difficult to believe he accepted his friend's death. You're at war. People die in war. That is a realism one cannot escape.

Excellent blog!
MTFBWY

p.s. I really wish they'd allocate more than 750 characters per comment spot! Maybe 800 would be better!

Oboe-Wan
Oboe-Wan's Hive of Scum & Villainy

date Posted: Nov 16, 2006 7:42 AM

In the original version, unless we read the novelization we didn't even know that Luke & Biggs were friends other than in the same attack squadron at the end of ANH. He's just another pilot that gets blown to bits.

BUT in the 1997SE we get to see Luke & Biggs "reunited" which THEN makes us wonder why Luke didn't grieve when Biggs died. We still don't see those scenes on Tatooine where Biggs departs for the rebellion. Why? Because it's not essential to the movie.

Adding in that scene to the 97SE adds the emotional tie to Biggs which then makes us ask the questions you asked in the blog: why doesn't Luke grieve?

Oboe-Wan
Oboe-Wan's Hive of Scum & Villainy

date Posted: Nov 16, 2006 7:44 AM

My other thought on this is that the ceremony at the end of ANH is much larger than just the handing out of medals. There were probably a lot of honors given - to the dead & the living - that day. We only see a small portion of the event.

So, in the end, I think that the scene with Biggs should have remained as a "Deleted Scene" on the extras disk. Because unless you've read any of the books, you'll end up like my parents who ask, "Who is this guy? He looks like a #### star."

rhett0

date Posted: Nov 16, 2006 8:28 AM

Good point Oboe-wan(enjoyed your OT/PT blog yesterday),. I also believe the ceramony was much longer than what we saw on screen. I'm sure the medals that were handed out kind of closed the ceramony, and that before all that they honored their dead. Something that hasn't set right with me is that they also killed several hundred thousand civillians on the Death Star, but they act like all that was killed were "evil". I wonder if Obi-Wan would have felt all those voices cry out as when Alderann was destroyed?

Good blog Jedimca0

jediholteh

date Posted: Nov 16, 2006 8:57 AM

Well, if you read A New Hope novel, then he does give a brief thought to his friend and his eyes do water up. And he does mumble to himself that which Luke and Biggs said together often, "We're a couple of shooting stars, and we'll never be stopped." Kinda cheesy, but it's heartfelt.

But yeah, I'd like to think that they had some kind of ceremony for those pilots they lost.

Jedimca0
Master Yoda's Visions(by a "Dutch Yoda")

date Posted: Nov 16, 2006 9:55 AM

Good observation, Jedimca0. Thank You.

The future of the Alliance - of the Galaxy - depended on those few brave pilots. Everyone knew from the very beginning not all would return alive. That's true, but it does not mean they had no ceremony to honor them.

But the pilots gave their lives for a cause - survival. And that came first. A moment of silence, or a funeral, might have taken place before or after the Celebration. Depending on the traditions of the dead themselves. If there was time for it the rebels would have had some sort of ceremony to honor the dead.

Jedimca0
Master Yoda's Visions(by a "Dutch Yoda")

date Posted: Nov 16, 2006 9:56 AM

It is safe to assume the Empire would be close on the heels of the rebels, especially since Darth Vader survived. Thus, maybe only a few moments of silence were set aside. The battle was won, but the war was far from over. I agree with you, thanks for adding this JediMelindaWolf
You're at war. People die in war. That is a realism one cannot escape But that's also a realism most people cannot accept.

Jedimca0
Master Yoda's Visions(by a "Dutch Yoda")

date Posted: Nov 16, 2006 9:56 AM

I think that the scene with Biggs should have remained as a "Deleted Scene" on the extras disk. Because unless you've read any of the books, you'll end up like my parents who ask, "Who is this guy? Agreed, It would explain a lot.

p.s. I really wish they'd allocate more than 750 characters per comment spot! Maybe 800 would be better! That is a very good idea, I could not agree more JediMelindaWolf

	darthgrievious93 Hey, Ho, Let's Go!
date Posted: Nov 16, 2006 2:17 PM Eh.....he didn't seem like a good friend any way. Just kidding.

	DevlenPiett Star Wars Historical Forum
date Posted: Nov 16, 2006 2:24 PM Leia didn't cry for Alderaan either either the rebels are heartless or they are all just Emo.

	orcrist611
date Posted: Nov 16, 2006 2:27 PM lol emo I think ur right, Lucas didn't want to put in a whole part about Luke crying for Biggs, it just doesnt fit May the Force be with you and may the Valar protect you

	cbern Omega Squad's 5th member
date Posted: Nov 16, 2006 2:31 PM Lucas didn't have time for Luke to grieve, he had to take out the death star before it kjilled everyone else, and then he was happy enough that he saved everyone else that he isn't seen upset. But i'm sure he was. Good blog

viagoangel2
Were Anakin and Padme' really one?

date Posted: Nov 16, 2006 4:57 PM

Wonderful observation, Jedimac0! And Kudos to everyone else, your answers are more than just queried theories.

I'd have to agree with Oboe-wan, that the ceremony we see, is only a "tid-bit" of the actual full fledged congregation, more than likely, those who sacraficed their lives were acknowledged and properly honored.
Again, Nice entry, very intriguing. ~Angel~

	StarWarsFanatic4
date Posted: Nov 16, 2006 6:26 PM As Leia said when they arrived at the rebel base, " We have no time for our sorrows" well that just about sums the whole thing up

	"The Ewok"
date Posted: Nov 16, 2006 6:49 PM I Believe that after the victory party the rebels had a short moment of silence to remember those who gave their lives to protect the Rebel Base and the rest of the galaxy from the Death Star. Nah....he was too much of a party animal. Good blog anyways....I doubt he thought of Biggs during that Celebration. He was too overwhelmed.

	The Stooge Star Wars Joke-A-Day
date Posted: Nov 16, 2006 8:13 PM I kinda think that, rationales aside, you're right -- he should have been a bit bummed about it. The later movies got it right. ROTJ gave Vader a funeral before the celebration, and TPM gave Qui-Gon a funeral before the parade. They're great scenes in both movies, and don't detract from the happy ending at all.

	5308856
date Posted: Nov 17, 2006 3:16 AM well i thought luke had a pretty grave face on when biggs died. but he should have registered some kind of emotion at that moment.

	anakinside1 Echoes from the Asteroid Field
date Posted: Nov 17, 2006 4:53 AM It could be that learning how to let himself feel, was a big part of Luke's character development that occurs later. Hmmmmm....meditate on this I will.

DJ Maul: Got Feet?
DJ Maul's Dancin' Cantina Party

date Posted: Nov 17, 2006 5:28 AM

From a strictly FILM standpoint:

Biggs was all but CUT from the movie; his scenes with Luke in the beginning that established him as a close friend are now only available as clips from the cutting room floor, and it wasnt until the SE's that we saw that conversation with Red Leader before the attack on the Death Star.

So spending anytime in the film to show grief or a funeral for a character we barely knew would have had no purpose really.

It would make an interesting EU story I suppose, in fact I THINK somebody wrote that story somewhere, but Im not sure on that.

	gallandro77
date Posted: Nov 17, 2006 7:46 AM there is a story about biggs in one of the comic book series, i don't remember which one, but it ends with a memorial to the fallen pilots, and i think luke and wegde were there

Jedimca0
Master Yoda's Visions(by a "Dutch Yoda")

date Posted: Nov 17, 2006 9:09 AM

I'd have to agree with Oboe-wan, that the ceremony we see, is only a "tid-bit" of the actual full fledged congregation, more than likely, those who sacraficed their lives were acknowledged and properly honored. Again, Nice entry, very intriguing. ~Angel~
Thank you Angel, I believe there was some sort of memorial ceremony to honor the Many brave Pilots that sacrificed their lives to ensure the survival of the Alliance.

ROTJ gave Vader a funeral before the celebration, and TPM gave Qui-Gon a funeral before the parade. They're great scenes in both movies, and don't detract from the happy ending at all. Those scenes really complete those movie's, that's why I missed it in ANH

Jedimca0
Master Yoda's Visions(by a "Dutch Yoda")

date Posted: Nov 17, 2006 9:10 AM

Biggs was all but CUT from the movie; his scenes with Luke in the beginning that established him as a close friend are now only available as clips from the cutting room floor, and it wasnt until the SE's that we saw that conversation with Red Leader before the attack on the Death Star. So spending anytime in the film to show grief or a funeral for a character we barely knew would have had no purpose really. I know, but there where more Pilots that lost their lives in that battle. It is only natural for the rebels to honor those who gave their lives to protect the Alliance.

Jedimca0
Master Yoda's Visions(by a "Dutch Yoda")

date Posted: Nov 17, 2006 9:11 AM

It would make an interesting EU story I suppose, in fact I THINK somebody wrote that story somewhere, but Im not sure on that It would be an interesting story indeed.

there is a story about biggs in one of the comic book series, i don't remember which one, but it ends with a memorial to the fallen pilots, and i think luke and wedge were there I knew there had to be something like that one or more books, Thank you for adding this.

Remember, The Force Will Be With You..................Always

rogue jedi squadron

date Posted: Nov 17, 2006 9:38 AM

Overall, I dont think that they had time. If they were not piloting a spacecraft trying to destroy a spacestation that will blow up a planet, then maybe he could have. But unfortunately in the midst of the action, there just was not the time to get it done. Instead, what I would hope that the dead would want would be a continuing of the mission, and instead of wasting time mourning, the survivors would get the job done that they initially set out to do. Also, as far as in the movie, Luke's face looked pretty upset when Biggs died, but all things considered, he just had to focus and keep his mind on the mission.

	R7-03
date Posted: Nov 17, 2006 10:10 AM i beleive that in the empire comic number 2 i think that it shows hobbie mourning in the back while the celebration is going on in the next room and then in battlegrounds tatooine they have a service at the darklighter estate, i always thought that luke would have been there but your right it nevers show luke mourning.

	darthevil37
date Posted: Nov 17, 2006 12:25 PM I don't think Biggs was even a good friend of luke plus if he cried he would of looked like a whimp. ANd the new slogan of the day is FREEZE SUCKER!!!! See you later

	X-wing pilot Wedge Antilles
date Posted: Nov 17, 2006 1:42 PM The reason why Luke didn't greive when Biggs died was because he couldn't let emostion get to him if he would of broke down he couldn't of possiably consentrate and destory the Death Star And if you read the empire darklighter comic book you'll see that there is a memoal for Biggs and the other brave pilots who lost their lives fighting for freedom.

SnoopDarthyDarth
Sith point of view related to real world...

date Posted: Nov 17, 2006 2:21 PM

Im sure it was no offense to Biggs but, Luke had already been through the death of his family on Tattoine and witnessed the death of ObiWan.
He may have been greived-out after that.
Plus, as mentioned, he was in a pretty tense situation at the time of Biggs death.

Afterwards, the atmosphere was so upbeat that he was probably past being sad about anything for awhile.

	P-J-M
date Posted: Nov 17, 2006 3:31 PM Look its called thining out the heard, survival of the fittest, theres no room for a bunch of punk ### third rate pilots who cant avoid a simple laser shot, beside they knew what they were getting them self into when the boarded those fighters. I say let them crash and burn!

	Darth_Loxsar
date Posted: Nov 17, 2006 7:30 PM have u noticed GL's eye for detail and continuity? look, i love starwars just as much as everyone here, but GL kinda F#%&'s up sometimes

	zach starwalker
date Posted: Nov 17, 2006 7:37 PM jeese pjm the lasers were going the speed of light lets see you dodge one. in the x wing series there are a lot of mentions about biggs and how good a pilot he was and everything in there wedge knows about it and feels bad but i have only gotten halfway through the first book.

Jedimca0
Master Yoda's Visions(by a "Dutch Yoda")

date Posted: Nov 18, 2006 6:01 AM

i beleive that in the empire comic number 2 i think that it shows hobbie mourning in the back while the celebration is going on in the next room and then in battlegrounds tatooine they have a service at the darklighter estate Thank you for adding this R7-03.

if you read the empire darklighter comic book you'll see that there is a memoal for Biggs and the other brave pilots who lost their lives fighting for freedom. Unfortunately we don't have that many StarWars comics here in Holland, they are hard to get in this region. Thank you for adding this.

Jedimca0
Master Yoda's Visions(by a "Dutch Yoda")

date Posted: Nov 18, 2006 6:03 AM

Look its called thining out the heard, survival of the fittest, theres no room for a bunch of punk ### third rate pilots who cant avoid a simple laser shot WHAT!!!!!!! There where no third rate pilots in those fighters that day, the rebellion only sent their elite squadrons into combat. I'd like to see you hold own against one of the best fighter pilots the galaxy has ever seen (Darth Vader/Anakin) and live to tell about it. Biggs was one of the best pilots in Red squadron, and he deserves to be honored for the sacrifice he made.
cont......

Jedimca0
Master Yoda's Visions(by a "Dutch Yoda")

date Posted: Nov 18, 2006 6:04 AM

(cont.....)
Many brave Pilots, Including Biggs Darklighter, sacrificed their lives to ensure the survival of the Alliance and the to protect the galaxy from the Empire. Their sacrifice would be long remembered both by the Alliance and The New Republic.

jeese pjm the lasers were going the speed of light lets see you dodge one. in the x wing series there are a lot of mentions about biggs and how good a pilot he was and everything I could not agree more zach starwalker, thanks for adding this.

Ulickeldroma
The Musings of Ulic Qel Droma

date Posted: Nov 18, 2006 10:26 AM

If you read Star Wars the book, there is a moment just after Biggs is killed where Luke stares into space (aka down the Death Trench) in shock and whispers "We're a couple of shooting stars, Biggs, and they'll never stop us." This was one of their favorite expressions and if you listen in the special edition version of A New Hope Biggs says, just before they board their X-Wings, "It'll be just like old times, they'll never stop us," or something like that.

RepComGhost

date Posted: Nov 19, 2006 7:02 AM

Why don't we look at actual real life fighter pilots. These guys trained together, drank together, fought together. But when they got killed in combat, just like ground troops, they fought on to win to survive, and to avenge their buddies. Luke after seeing the burned corpses of his family, and the last tie to a father he never knew (Ben Kenoi) get killed right in front of him. He grieved his family, but when Ben was killed we saw his fighting spirit. Given the chance he may have even mounted a bayonet charge on Vader at that time. Dealing with Biggs death as he did was a natural progression.

cont.

RepComGhost

date Posted: Nov 19, 2006 7:09 AM

As for wiping out civilians on the Death Star, let's not continue the "Clerks" arguement here. It was funny then, but it's tired now.

As for the Ceremonies. I believe the Celebration was done for publice disemination. I mean, if all the pilots were dead except Luke and Wedge, where did all the pilots there come from. We know the Empire wouldn't tell people a bunch of dissidents, a smuggler, and a kid blew up the galaxies largest battle station and B-Slapped Vader in the process.

cont.

	RepComGhost
date Posted: Nov 19, 2006 7:10 AM So it fell to the Republic. I think it went, Land, service all remaining ships and get ready to hat up and "Di-di mau" (Get out of dodge). Load up the evacuation ships, have "Award Ceremony", transmit ceremnoy, and leave. The memorial for those lost was probably in space, with the Fleet. Probably along Naval or Marine Traditions. Ghost Out

	Jedimca0 Master Yoda's Visions(by a "Dutch Yoda")
date Posted: Nov 19, 2006 8:05 AM The memorial for those lost was probably in space, with the Fleet. Probably along Naval or Marine Traditions. Impressive, Most Impressive. Why I did not come up with this I do not know. It is very likely that you are right. Thank you for adding this. Thank you for your comments and Remember, The Force Will Be With You..................Always

	jediprincess77 I Know...
date Posted: Nov 19, 2006 10:40 AM Hey, congrats on making it to the front page!

Sith Ninja Version 1
Palpatine's Political Schemes pt. 1

date Posted: Nov 19, 2006 11:27 AM

Well I think that the Rebels gave silence to those that gave their lives to free the galaxy. But it's a brief time to grieve over the loss of many people because the war is far from over. The reason why they didn't show the scene of Luke grieving over the loss of his longtime friend was that George Lucas wanted the ending to be a happy moment despite what happened to Biggs.

Jedimca0
Master Yoda's Visions(by a "Dutch Yoda")

date Posted: Nov 20, 2006 9:02 AM

Hey, congrats on making it to the front page! Thank you jediprincess77.

Well I think that the Rebels gave silence to those that gave their lives to free the galaxy. But it's a brief time to grieve over the loss of many people because the war is far from over.This is very likely, I believe the rebels had a short ceremony in space to honor the brave pilots that gave their life to ensure the survival of the alliance.

Thank you all for your comments and Remember,
The Force Will Be With You......................always.

	jedi master 812
date Posted: Nov 20, 2006 1:00 PM "either the rebels are heartless" DevlenPiett The rebels stood up for what is right and rebeled, that takes heart. Good blog Jedimca0 I think that they did have small ceremonies, and, the ceremony on Endor was also to honor the dead.

Jedimca0
Master Yoda's Visions(by a "Dutch Yoda")

date Posted: Nov 21, 2006 9:54 AM

The rebels stood up for what is right and rebeled, that takes heart.Those are great words, The rebels fought for a free galaxy and in the end they prevailed. Unfortunately many brave people, including Biggs Darklighter, gave their life to make it al possible. Their sacrifice would be long remembered both by the Alliance and The New Republic.

Thank you again for your comments and Remember,
The Force Will Be With You.........Always

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