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 In Revenge of the Sith we see Anakin have a vision/premonition about Padme's death, he then turns to the dark side in an effort to save her life only to find out that his betrayal was the reason of her death. If Anakin did not have this vision of the future, Padmé would most likely still be alive. I think Palpatine/Sidious had something to do with this vision, is it possible that he "planted" it. Could he have been responsible for the horrible things Anakin saw. Lets face it without this vision Anakin would never have turned to the dark side, or at least not that easily.
Yoda said: "The Dark side clouds everything, Impossible to see the future is". If this is true then how is it possible that Anakin was able to see the future, the only logical explanation is that Palpatine wanted him to see what he saw. But what he saw was just a possible future because as Yoda so wisely said, "Always in motion the Future is".
But if the Dark side could cloud the visions of the Jedi and even "plant" a vision, then perhaps the Jedi could do the same. The Emperor foresaw that he would win the Battle of Endor and that Luke would join him. Is it possible that Yoda was powerful enough to make the Emperor see what he wanted to see, to make him believe he would win, to make the Emperor so overconfident that he did not see what was really going on. Yoda might not have been able to do this by himself but perhaps he had help. There where two Jedi that had learned the path to immortality, Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan, perhaps the 3 remaining Jedi Masters teamed up and clouded The Emperors visions. What if they succeeded in showing the Emperor what he wanted to see, What if the Emperor was Blind and did not see or feel the good in Vader and the Relation ship between Father and Son. Anakin Loved Padmé, he was looking forward to being a father when he killed Padmé(at least this was the Emperors version). He had already lost Padmé, he was not going to watch his son die at the hands of The Emperor. He did what he had to do to save his son, he Killed the Emperor. Palpatine did not see this coming, even though he was so powerful, he did not see it. It is very likely that he did not see it because his senses and his judgment where clouded by the combined efforts of the last 3 Jedi Masters.
They brilliantly misled him, or at least I'd like to believe they did..................
Any Thoughts or Comments are welcome, I wish all of you a Happy new Year and Remember, The Force Will Be With You...............Always 
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Apprentice of Wisdom
Star Wars is a Way of Life -- Accept it (by a "Dutch Yoda")
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date Posted: Jan 01, 2007 3:44 AM
This is a new and interesting idea I had not considered before.
If this is true/possible, then the Jedi made Sidious really overconfident. Because it would explain why he foresaw a victory and everything was 'going as he had seen' - as he stated in ROTJ. It would also explain why Sidious wasn't able to sense Luke's presence aboard the shuttle above Endor while Vader was. As well as Vader's betrayal towards him.
The Jedi tricked Sidious, as Sidious had tricked them and Anakin.
This is a nice theory. I hope it holds together.
May The Force Be With You Too.
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JediMelindaWolf
Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.
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date Posted: Jan 01, 2007 6:46 AM
jmca0, what an interesting and intriguing thought. I never had thought of this before. I'm going to have to ponder this for a while now, to think back on the series of events, especially throughout ROTJ.
Admittedly, I always thought Palpatine was just plain cocky/overconfident in his "conclusion" that Luke would join his father and the Rebellion would be put down once and for all. But, to think that Yoda (alone or with the help of Qui-gon and Obi-wan) could have done some "clouding" of his own is, as I said, intriguing.
Quite frankly, I believe Yoda was strong enough to do any such clouding on his own. I think he alone understand the nature of all aspects of the force, both light and dark.
(cont. . .)
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JediMelindaWolf
Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.
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date Posted: Jan 01, 2007 6:52 AM
(cont. . .)
Think back to the battle between Yoda and Sidious in ROTS. Sidious sends Yoda flying across the room with a force thrust, and our small hero crashes into a bulkhead before crumbling to the floor.
Look at the resolve on Yoda's face when he opens his eyes before picking himself off the floor. He is one determined Jedi Master!
Then Yoda inflicts his own force thrust against Sidious. Examine the look on Sidious' face. He is caught off guard, and, quite frankly, can't believe Yoda just did what he did. Sidious' whole problem was he underestimated the Jedi. It may have taken 20 plus years to defeat the Dark Lord of the Sith, but defeat the Sith the Light Side did!
I like your way of thinking!
MTFBWY 
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jedilily1026
Years Matter Not (Gone Crazy...Be Back Soon)
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date Posted: Jan 01, 2007 7:49 AM
I never thought of the Jedi clouding the Sith's insight. The Sith deceive, one trait that I believe the Jedi were incapable of doing or it is against their code.
After Luke came on the scene. either Sidious was over-confident in his apprentice DV or DV was a master of deception.... never showing his true feelings to Sidious.... feelings that Luke did sense.
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jedilily1026
Years Matter Not (Gone Crazy...Be Back Soon)
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date Posted: Jan 01, 2007 7:59 AM
The second sentence should read:
The Sith deceive, one trait that I believe the Jedi were incapable of doing BECAUSE it is against their code, is it not. (I would think it is).
You've got me thinking today.....GOOOOOD.
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darth maul517
Darth Jedi Maul Secura
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date Posted: Jan 01, 2007 10:23 AM
A very interresting idea. But I do not agree, atleast not yet. Like jedilily said that would be decieving him which goes against the code. Even Yoda would not do that in that time. They had faith in Luke and the Force. The Emperor was just overconfident because of all the power he had or thought he had. That is what I think. Good Theory.
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Jedi Master Mina
Jedi blogging, go back to your drinks!
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date Posted: Jan 01, 2007 11:42 AM
You've got me thinking today.....GOOOOOD
My brain hurts...
Good theory to debate, my friend. Sidious had a vision of Luke taking himself and DV down...I believe that was in the "Shadows of an Emperor" novel. He was terrified of Luke and his full power. So, from a certain point of view, he did have a vision of what was to come and tried to change destiny. However, DV had been plotting to take down Sidious from the start ("Dark Lord" novel) but just needed a little help from his son to do it. I don't think the Jedi Masters planted the vision, but, rather, planted the seed of bringing back the Jedi through Luke!! 
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viagoangel2
Were Anakin and Padme' really one?
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date Posted: Jan 01, 2007 1:11 PM
Hmm.....Interesting.
Yet, I don't think Palpatine implanted Anakin's dreams, Anakin had the gift of sight or as you say, " premonitions ". So few (Jedi) at this point in our Saga had such a gift, yet, as Yoda reminded us, at one time ALL could see into the future. "Always in motion the future is. " Basically, not all that one sees (in a vision) will definitely take place, things or events change depending on the choices one makes.
Anakin's gifts/talents were past down to his children, mainly Luke (at least in our Saga), the Emperor NEW this to be true and immediately saw Luke as a threat to his plans. Cont
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viagoangel2
Were Anakin and Padme' really one?
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date Posted: Jan 01, 2007 1:15 PM
To be honest with my own POV, I don't think the Jedi Masters (Yoda, Obi-wan ) ever saw Luke's outcome before it actually happened. Nor do I think that they tampered with the Emperor's visions. Luke didn't even know what would become of him or Darth Vader when all was said and done. All he knew was that Vader, his father, still had GOOD residing within him and he was determined to prove this to Darth Vader, the Emperor, and yes, all the others who never believed in the " Good man, who was his father; ANAKIN SKYWALKER. "
Awesome Entry, Jedimac0!
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Jedimca0
Master Yoda's Visions(by a "Dutch Yoda")
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date Posted: Jan 02, 2007 1:33 AM
It would also explain why Sidious wasn't able to sense Luke's presence aboard the shuttle above Endor while Vader was. I hadn't even thought of that, it could be the reason Palpatine did not sense Luke. Thank you for adding this.
Quite frankly, I believe Yoda was strong enough to do any such clouding on his own. I think he alone understand the nature of all aspects of the force, both light and dark.
Yoda could have been powerful enough but I do not know if he was able to cloud the Emperors visions with out being discovered, it is possible that he had help.
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Jedimca0
Master Yoda's Visions(by a "Dutch Yoda")
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date Posted: Jan 02, 2007 1:33 AM
Look at the resolve on Yoda's face when he opens his eyes before picking himself off the floor. He is one determined Jedi Master! Determination is the key to Victory, Palpatine has always been a scared coward relying on his apprentices to do his dirty work and relying on legions of troops to keep him out of harms way.
I like your way of thinking! Thank you JediMelindaWolf.
The Sith deceive, one trait that I believe the Jedi were incapable of doing BECAUSE it is against their code, is it not. (I would think it is). After the defeat of the Jedi the code did not exist, Yoda disregarded the code when he began Luke's Training. it is likely he disregarded it again and clouded the Emperors visions.
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Jedimca0
Master Yoda's Visions(by a "Dutch Yoda")
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date Posted: Jan 02, 2007 1:34 AM
My brain hurts... Did i cause that, I'm sorry if i did.
However, DV had been plotting to take down Sidious from the start ("Dark Lord" novel) but just needed a little help from his son to do it. I know, but he did not take over.........He Killed the Emperor out of Love for Luke, he saved his son by turning back to the light and fulfilling his destiny. He brought balance to the force by destroying the Sith.
don't think the Jedi Masters (Yoda, Obi-wan ) ever saw Luke's outcome before it actually happened. They did not see the out come, but i believe they prevented the Emperor from seeing it.
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Jedimca0
Master Yoda's Visions(by a "Dutch Yoda")
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date Posted: Jan 02, 2007 1:34 AM
all the others who never believed in the " Good man, who was his father; ANAKIN SKYWALKER. " Anakin was a good person deserved by the Dark side, and by himself(Darth Vader) the good person Anakin Skywalker no longer existed after he had pledged his allegiance to Palpatine, he did not exist until Luke brought him back.
Remember, The Force Will Be With You..............Always.
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Apprentice of Wisdom
Star Wars is a Way of Life -- Accept it (by a "Dutch Yoda")
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date Posted: Jan 02, 2007 7:03 AM
The Sith deceive, one trait that I believe the Jedi were incapable of doing BECAUSE it is against their code, is it not. And is blinding someone temporarily to the truth deceiving and against the code?
In the case of Sidious, he thought he had everything onder control. He forgot Vader wasn't a preprogrammable machine, and he forgot the prophecy about the Chosen One. Or at least, he didn't pay enough attention to it. Wouldn't it be possible the Jedi (whoever it was, but Yoda is a great choice) blinded him to some truths? Or made him feel overconfident?
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Apprentice of Wisdom
Star Wars is a Way of Life -- Accept it (by a "Dutch Yoda")
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date Posted: Jan 02, 2007 7:03 AM
cont...
It is likely Sidous didn't trust vader that much anymore by ROTJ, but he did not act soon enough. Had the Jedi made him feel so overconfident, or blind, that he forgot to act, or was too slow? I think it is a possibility and personally, I wouldn't call it deceiving. It's survival at the worst.
They did not see the out come, but i believe they prevented the Emperor from seeing it. I agree.
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padmeskywalker77
Padme's Legacy
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date Posted: Jan 02, 2007 11:17 AM
Wonderful discussion going on here. I had never thought of the Jedi clouding Sidious' use of the Dark Side. The Light side was rising again, becoming more powerful as the days ticked by. Just as Yoda said *The Dark Side clouds everything...*, the Light Side may have begun to cloud things, too. I can see how it may be possible that the Jedi Masters who had achieved immortality could alter Sidious' visions of the future
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padmeskywalker77
Padme's Legacy
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date Posted: Jan 02, 2007 11:17 AM
I also wonder how much of Sidious' downfall was his arrogance. As he once said to Yoda, * Your arrogance blinds you, Master Yoda...*, the arrogance/overconfidence he had developed over the years may have blinded him, too. This may be why he could not sense Luke on Endor...and Vader could because the darkness was beginning to lift from his soul. Sidious may have been seeing the future...but it may have been a future he imagined or a future that could be altered by any number of unforseeable events.
Again...great job!! Now you've got me thinking today 
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Jedimca0
Master Yoda's Visions(by a "Dutch Yoda")
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date Posted: Jan 03, 2007 1:48 AM
In the case of Sidious, he thought he had everything onder control. He forgot Vader wasn't a preprogrammable machine, and he forgot the prophecy about the Chosen One
He relied on Vader to much. He forgot Anakin/Vader had already switched sides once to save Padmé, and he did it again to save his son.
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Jedimca0
Master Yoda's Visions(by a "Dutch Yoda")
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date Posted: Jan 03, 2007 1:50 AM
think it is a possibility and personally, I wouldn't call it deceiving. It's survival at the wors Sidious had used this method of "deception" against the Jedi in the past, the only thing the Jedi did was returning the favor. I agree with you, they did what they had to do in order to survive. and was it not against the code to kill Palpatine, yet Master Windu was prepared to disregard the code because it was to dangerous to keep him alive. Unfortunately Anakin did not share that opinion.
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Jedimca0
Master Yoda's Visions(by a "Dutch Yoda")
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date Posted: Jan 03, 2007 1:50 AM
the arrogance/overconfidence he had developed over the years may have blinded him, too. this is possible, but it is also possible that the Jedi Amplified Palpatine's arrogance and overconfidence.
Thank you for your comments and remember, The Force Will Be With You...................Always
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duffermax3000
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date Posted: Jan 03, 2007 2:02 AM
Amazing thoughts!!!!!!
This is got to be one of the most clever blogs in the world, well doneJedimca0. All the power must be going to old palpies head. lol 
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duffermax3000
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date Posted: Jan 03, 2007 2:06 AM
How do you get avatars
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Jedimca0
Master Yoda's Visions(by a "Dutch Yoda")
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date Posted: Jan 03, 2007 2:10 AM
Amazing thoughts!!!!!!
This is got to be one of the most clever blogs in the world, well doneJedimca0. All the power must be going to old palpies head. lol Thank you, it took me a few weeks to get it all right.
How do you get avatars You need to be a Hyperspace Member to get avatars.
Remember, The Force Will Be With You................Always.
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duffermax3000
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date Posted: Jan 09, 2007 2:15 PM
Great thought about the Yoda thing but Yoda didn't know where Ol' Palpy was during the galactic civil war
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