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Musings from the Shadowlands
date posted: Mar 13, 2008 11:28 PM
Your abilities are not in question here...
I was contemplating the upcoming Clone War series(will August ever get here?!) and the revelation that Anakin will have an apprentice. I have to question exactly why he would be shouldering this responsibility. He's young, arguably immature, and is wrestling with aspects of his own identity. In the middle of this struggle, he suddenly has this younger, even more immature person who is also struggling with identity and her place in this bewildering and frightening time of war. Now flip this back about a decade. Obi-Wan is a newly promoted Knight, he's struggling with the death of his Master, and suddenly he has this youngster in his care he knows nothing about, and not that long ago, believed shouldn't be trained. Both were highly capable and strong in the Force. One could argue that Obi-Wan was more mature at the time of elevation, but I wouldn't agree with that statement. I think it was a major mistake giving Anakin to Obi-Wan as an apprentice so soon after witnessing Qui-Gonn's death, and brushing the Dark Side in his fight with Maul. Had he been given time to come to terms with these events, he would have been better equiped to deal with Anakin in later life. Instead, he has a headstrong Padawan without the experience to adaquetly deal with his frustration. However, Anakin does not have the great fortune of the benefit of Qui-Gonn's wisdom to fall back on. He must try to instill the ideals of the Jedi Order without fully understanding them himself. How is he to guide and shape this young Padawan with so many unanswered question himself? It will be interesting to see how they deal with these issues.

  Darth-Marx
date Posted: Mar 14, 2008 12:16 AM
I also would like to add 1 more question.... If in Episode III he is not ranked as a Master Jedi, how he could train a padawan. Lucas said that only fully trained Jedi Masters could take padawans. If so, why the council didn't give him the rank of Jedi Master when Palpatine put him in that same council?
jedinole11
date Posted: Mar 14, 2008 5:38 AM
the reason I think they did not give him that rank is because they did not want an someone outside of the Jedi Council making that decision for them.
  PrincessAngel39
date Posted: Mar 14, 2008 6:34 AM
No .... fully trained Jedi Knights .... Masters are only the members of the Jedi Council, then a Jedi master is a Jedi Knight, and a Jedi Master is a member of the Council, if I am not mistaken.
kyle228
Truly Wonderful, the Mind of a Child Is...
date Posted: Mar 14, 2008 10:32 AM
I agree with all you've said. I think watching this whole thing unfold will be one of the most interesting parts of the CW series. And I'm still trying to predict how this apprentice will leave the picture, b/c he deffinitely doesn't have one in Ep. III. I'm leaning towards she is killed by Separatists (or even better Dooku), making Ani more angry and sending him further down the path of the Dark Side, but I don't know.'

Hurry up, August!!!!
Granny-Wan
I Am NOT an Old Fossil!
date Posted: Mar 14, 2008 11:46 AM
A Knight can be the Master of a Padawan without being a Jedi Master... it's a title of respect used by younglings to older Jedi in addition to being a rank... Also, a Knight can become a Master without sitting on the council...a little confusing, I know....

I agree that Obi-Wan was not ready to have a Padawan, and Anakin is even less mature that Obi-Wan was... OW was at least sure of who he was.... Anakin is a mess, emotionally speaking...

Anakin having a Padawan is like a 13-year old having a baby...

darthcaedus2
Let me show you the power of the Dark Side
date Posted: Mar 14, 2008 4:23 PM
don't you get the title Jedi Master after you sucssefully apprentice a padawn? or is the title given during this cause obi-wan was only a knight during ep II right?
  Master Jedi Michael
ANBU File 1262- Master Jedi Michael
date Posted: Mar 14, 2008 6:53 PM
Okay, this may sound like a stupid association, but it kind of reminds me of when parents give thier children pets to teach them responsibility. Anakin, though he is my favorite character, I will say is immature and unstable, mostly because of the hard life he's had to lead. So, I think that the council decided that if he had his own padawan and he could see first hand how his immaturity and out of control emotions effect those around him, especially one that he is in a mentor postion with, that it might help him to overcome his problems. This is similar to how the pet thing works with a kid. They see how thier immaturity and behavior effects the behavior and well-being of thier pet and they seek to change for the better of that animal.
cowboy_11c
Musings from the Shadowlands
date Posted: Mar 14, 2008 7:20 PM
That's an interesting way of looking at it, however, that can be unbelievably hard on the pet. In this case, I don't think that Anakin is going to be so easily fixed.
  Master Jedi Michael
ANBU File 1262- Master Jedi Michael
date Posted: Mar 14, 2008 9:07 PM
In this case, I don't think that Anakin is going to be so easily fixed.

Of course he wouldn't, but the Jedi Council never seemed interested enough in fixing Anakin as to take the harder road, did they? While they wanted him on thier side for sure and were mildly interesed in keeping him from going insane, they never really wanted to put the proper amount of effort into it, at least not most of them. This seems like the kind of quick-fix remedy the council would use on Anakin.
  Fish1941
date Posted: Apr 14, 2008 10:56 AM
One can become a Jedi Master after becoming a member of the Council. One can also become a Master after one's padawan is elevated to a Knight. Once Anakin became a Jedi Knight, Obi-Wan became a Jedi Master. He later became a member of the Council. Qui-Gon had become a Jedi Master when his first padawan became a Knight. But he never joined the Jedi Council.
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