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The Saga Begins
by: mirax7
date posted: Apr 13, 2008 10:08 PM
The saga begins....
Okay, so I just finished watching the entire saga in chronological order for the first time (it's kind-of sad that I'm only just now getting around to it, huh?). But it was rather interesting. And I'm now going to bore you with the details of my observations, with random interjections from the EU. :D

First, I have to get some thanks out of the way. Thank you to jk and the *geeeeeeeeeek* (aka Pitt) for helping me in my moment of total smrtness. For the first time ever, I noticed that 3PO had a silver leg at the beginning of ANH. Pitt then confirmed for me that it was indeed silver for the entire movie (I though it was gold on Tatooine, but it was just reflection) and jk confirmed that it was silver for the entire OT. My only defense for this is, that, in general, I am exceptionally unobservant. [embarrassing stories of other moments of obliviousness have been deleted to protect the guilty].

Second, I must give kudos to the designers of the Lego Star Wars games. Never before have I appreciated the amount of detail in the games and the extent to which the action in the games parallels the action in the movies. More than once I found myself thinking, "That's just like it the video game!!!" (And yes, I realize the wrongness of this statement.)

It has really been a while since I've watched the movies, especially TPM and AOTC. However, I found myself enjoying them quite a lot, possibly more than I have in the past (like the majority of you out there, TPM is my least favorite of the saga and AOTC is low on the list as well).

But, my purpose for writing this blog is not the PT, but the OT. As I watched the OT, I tried to pretend as if I hadn't seen them before and tried to interpret them in the light of the PT. I have done this to a lesser extent in previous viewings, but I really tried to focus on this during latest viewing. I also tried to ignore the fact that certain lines and scenes in the PT were done to make parallels with the OT.

ANH- I once read in someone's reaction to their first viewing of ANH in '77 how they thought the first shot of the blockade runner was cool, but then along came this Star Destroyer and it just kept on coming, and they just were in total awe. Ever since reading this, I have tried to watch that scene with the same sense of awe. I really recommend trying this (especially if you weren't around for the '77 release), because it gets you really pumped about the forthcoming action.

R2 and 3PO are back, if a bit worse for the wear. However, they remain in the thick of things, as R2 faithfully serves the daughter of his former mistress. One also soon sees that he has not lost his fearlessness or penchant for adventure.

DV- hasn't aged a day. ;)

The Lars' homestead- Owen has turned into his father. It is almost hard to imagine the young couple of AOTC is the same as the one on screen. I've also always assumed that the "...he's got too much of his father in him," "that's what I'm afraid of" conversation and Owen's reluctance to let Luke go the academy referred to the fact that Anakin is DV. However, in Dark Lord, the Rise of Darth Vader, we find out that this is not the case, because Obi-Wan never told Owen and Beru about Anakin's transformation. So, instead, we find out that Owen just didn't want Luke to become a Jedi and be running around the galaxy and his reluctance to let Luke go to the academy is actually a mystery.

Obi-Wan- the years have not been overly kind to Obi-Wan. But he has been ever faithfully watching over the son of his best friend and "brother." He lies :O to Luke, both about the relationship between Anakin and DV and Anakin wanting Luke to have his lightsaber, but both lies are understandable, if indeed the second lie was really a lie. And we get to see, for the first time, the difference between Anakin and Luke. Where the death of Shmi made Anakin angry, the death of the Lars' gives Luke resolve (however, they do share their whininess).

DV and Leia- How can he do that do his own daughter?!?!?!?!?! And, "So that's what they were building at the end of ROTS!"

Alderaan- Jimmy Smitts is dead!!! :_| And (for you EU readers) Tycho's family is dead!!!

DV and Obi-Wan- Wow! That's a really lame fight after the one on Mustafar. None of the other Jedi ever disappeared!!!!!! (although now DV's confusion makes sense.)


Yavin- I don't really have anything to add from the PT (other than to note that Anakin's flying skills have been passed on), but I do have some EU observations. First- Wedge!!!!!! Second, a question for those of you who read the EU- have you ever seen or heard referenced the X-Wing targeting computer anywhere other than the Battle of Yavin???? Being something of a Rogue Squadron groupie, I've read and reread a lot of the lit about them and I can't recall the targeting computer ever being mentioned again.

Medal ceremony- Oh, look, Leia wore white, just like Padme.

I think I'll stop here and make this into three blogs instead of one (assuming I actually get around to writing them :D).

jkthunder
Seven Pieces
date Posted: Apr 13, 2008 10:47 PM
I don't have to try, I am still in awe every time I see the opening Star Destroyer in ANH. Maybe I'm just easily amused :p

That's a really lame fight after the one on Mustafar.


:^O:^O:^O

For the record, I never thought Owen knew about Anakin's transformation, and always thought he didn't want Luke to go to the Academy because he wanted him safe on the farm and working.

No probs with the silver leg info, and BTW, the only P&S versions I have of any Star Wars movie are what I have on VHS. I did have a FS DVD or two which I have since given away to friends, but still... every time I browse used/cheap DVD bins and see that lonely TPM or AOTC DVD sitting there, I feel compelled to liberate it and bring it home with me.
usetheforce19
MasterMonkey13
date Posted: Apr 14, 2008 5:57 AM
Good observations. I don't really have much else to add...

I really recommend trying this (especially if you weren't around for the '77 release), because it gets you really pumped about the forthcoming action.

I definately wasn't around in '77. :p I'll have to try that.

That's a really lame fight after the one on Mustafar.

Yeah, I guess the years haven't been good to either of them. But I guess it makes sense, neither of them had actually fought in lightsaber combat for years.

MTFBWY! God bless!
comanderbly
That's Impossible. Even for a Computer.
date Posted: Apr 14, 2008 8:11 AM
Second, a question for those of you who read the EU- have you ever seen or heard referenced the X-Wing targeting computer anywhere other than the Battle of Yavin????

Excellent point - I have not encountered it anywhere but the first DS.
nob01
Oil Bath Bubbles
date Posted: Apr 14, 2008 9:36 AM
This is going to be fun :)

Thankfully, having the mental age of a ten year old means I don't have to imagine too much when I watch the opening of ANH - I get all excited and squirmy any way - LOL.
Master Ki-Aaron-Mundi
I was a Teenage Jedi
date Posted: Apr 14, 2008 10:01 AM
I've also always assumed that the "...he's got too much of his father in him," "that's what I'm afraid of" conversation and Owen's reluctance to let Luke go the academy referred to the fact that Anakin is DV. However, in Dark Lord, the Rise of Darth Vader, we find out that this is not the case, because Obi-Wan never told Owen and Beru about Anakin's transformation
I'd always wondered which way Owen meant that. Thanks for clearing that up! :)
mirax7
The Saga Begins
date Posted: Apr 14, 2008 10:42 AM
Maybe I'm just easily amused :p

i know you are easily amused.

but still... every time I browse used/cheap DVD bins and see that lonely TPM or AOTC DVD sitting there, I feel compelled to liberate it and bring it home with me.

liberate it!!!! liberate it!!!! i need a fellow collector of all versions.


I definately wasn't around in '77. :p I'll have to try that.

do or do not. there is no try. ;)

Excellent point - I have not encountered it anywhere but the first DS.

thanks for the confirmation. i thought i was being unobservant again.

mirax7
The Saga Begins
date Posted: Apr 14, 2008 10:48 AM
This is going to be fun :)

glad you think so.

Thankfully, having the mental age of a ten year old means I don't have to imagine too much when I watch the opening of ANH - I get all excited and squirmy any way - LOL.

i do get squirmy and excited (especially during the fox21 fanfare), but until i read this person's observations, i just always took the ships for granted and never really thought about the impact a star destroyer would have on those who just had the hokeyness of the 40s-60s scifi as a reference point. by the time i was old enough to watch sw, scifi had already advanced a long way.

I'd always wondered which way Owen meant that. Thanks for clearing that up!

you're welcome.
ewanandhaydenfan5
I Have You Now!
date Posted: Apr 14, 2008 11:47 AM
I must give kudos to the designers of the Lego Star Wars games.
Here here! (Hear hear?)
I have the LEGO SW Saga game. The detail is gorgeous, especially in Ep. I in Theed.

More than once I found myself thinking, "That's just like it the video game!!!"
Me too!



Graham 76
Confessions Of A Mindless Philosopher
date Posted: Apr 14, 2008 1:32 PM
So, instead, we find out that Owen just didn't want Luke to become a Jedi and be running around the galaxy and his reluctance to let Luke go to the academy is actually a mystery.

My targeting computer ;) could be way off here, but could it be that, as far as Owen and Beru knew, Anakin died defending the galaxy, and din't want the same fate to befall Luke, and that's why they didn't want him going tho the Academy?

Personally, I think they did know that Anakin became Vader, and Owen's remarks showed that he was terrifried that Luke could become evil as well. After all, his step brother did murder a tribe of Sand People....

That's only my opinion though.
Graham 76
Confessions Of A Mindless Philosopher
date Posted: Apr 14, 2008 1:37 PM
liberate it!!!! liberate it!!!! i need a fellow collector of all versions.
I don't know if I've told you this before mirax, but I own the OT OT on VHS (from the 80's and 90's) and DVD (the recent bonus disc versions). The OT boxset. TPM and AOTC on VHS and DVD. In fact there are a couple of (really minor) scenes added to the DVD version of TPM that aren't in the VHS version. I only have ROTS on DVD, but I have seen it on VHS, but didn't have the money with me to liberate it!
Graham 76
Confessions Of A Mindless Philosopher
date Posted: Apr 14, 2008 1:42 PM
Another observation you may have missed regarding Amakin and Luke - did you notice the importance of the sun(s)set for them both.

For Anakin, the sun was setting as he searched for his mother, only to find her dying, signifying his change from innocent padawan to murderer of sand people and his eventual slide to the dark side. It was really the first day of his new life. It's just possible that was the day Vader was born.

For Luke, the sun(s) was setting (that very famous scene) just before 3P0 informed him Artoo was missing, propelling Luke headlong into the adventure that would change his life forever. He went from whiny teenager with dreams and amnbitions to a whiny teenager who fulfilled those dreams and ambitions.
jedilily1026
Years Matter Not (Gone Crazy...Be Back Soon)
date Posted: Apr 14, 2008 2:58 PM
but then along came this Star Destroyer and it just kept on coming, and they just were in total awe

This scene along with the opening scene of ROTS where Anakin & Obi-Wan come flying in the fighters just gives me goosebumps. :D
mirax7
The Saga Begins
date Posted: Apr 14, 2008 5:41 PM
More than once I found myself thinking, "That's just like it the video game!!!"
Me too!


good to know that i'm not the only one.

My targeting computer ;) could be way off here, ...., and that's why they didn't want him going tho the Academy?

i never thought about it that way, but that is a good point.

Another observation you may have missed regarding Amakin and Luke - did you notice the importance of the sun(s)set for them both.

i did miss this. thanks for pointing it out.
mirax7
The Saga Begins
date Posted: Apr 14, 2008 5:44 PM
Personally, I think they did know that Anakin became Vader, ... his step brother did murder a tribe of Sand People....

but after the end of dark lord became known, there is no evidence of owen finding out or arriving at that conclusion on his own. and somewhere (tatooine ghost, i think) it's mentioned that the sand people talk about the massacre, but no one knows who did it. i think padme was the only one to know what anakin's true actions were that night.

and i will email you about the videos/dvds.

This scene along with the opening scene of ROTS where Anakin & Obi-Wan come flying in the fighters just gives me goosebumps. :D

i love that scene in rots!! even if it does make me a bit dizzy.
Sarlacc-Pitt
Slowly Digested Over A Thousand Blogs
date Posted: Apr 14, 2008 8:54 PM
Thank you to jk and the *geeeeeeeeeek* (aka Pitt)

:^O You're welcome!

ANH- I once read in someone's reaction to their first viewing of ANH in '77 how they thought the first shot of the blockade runner was cool, but then along came this Star Destroyer and it just kept on coming, and they just were in total awe.

It's something that is SO iconic and at times it is difficult for me to "pretend" I've never seen it. But I know exactly what you mean.... and honestly, when I'm not thinking about it or paying attention, I'm caught off guard and wowed. :) That happens to me quite often at totally random times when viewing the movies.
Sarlacc-Pitt
Slowly Digested Over A Thousand Blogs
date Posted: Apr 14, 2008 9:01 PM
The Lars' homestead- Owen has turned into his father. It is almost hard to imagine the young couple of AOTC is the same as the one on screen. I've also always assumed that the "...he's got too much of his father in him

Now see, even though Obi never may have told them the truth about Anakin, I just think that eventually Owen found out somehow.... just a vibe.

DV and Leia- How can he do that do his own daughter?!?!?!?!?!

And how didn't he realize that Leia was his daughter?! I mean, they were thisclose. :p

Very cool you have finally seen the Saga in order. :D

Excellent blog, mirax! You should do this more often.... ;)
mirax7
The Saga Begins
date Posted: Apr 14, 2008 9:39 PM
It's something that is SO iconic and at times it is difficult for me to "pretend" I've never seen it. But I know exactly what you mean.... and honestly, when I'm not thinking about it or paying attention, I'm caught off guard and wowed. :) That happens to me quite often at totally random times when viewing the movies.

exactly what i was trying to convey.

Now see, even though Obi never may have told them the truth about Anakin, I just think that eventually Owen found out somehow.... just a vibe.


i still don't think so, but you and g could be right. i guess we will have to see if this shows up in any eu material.

mirax7
The Saga Begins
date Posted: Apr 14, 2008 9:41 PM
Excellent blog, mirax!

thank you.

You should do this more often.... ;)

that's what everyone says. :D



btw, have i ever mentioned that i hate the character limit?????
  shoppingMaul61
date Posted: Apr 15, 2008 5:16 AM
Owen's perspective in ANH is simple - he resents the Jedi for taking Anakin from Shmi and in effect ruining their lives. From his point of view all it amounted to was years of heartache for Shmi and Anakin, and ultimately Anakin's death in a futile war. Some crusade! Hence Owen's distrust of Obi Wan and his distaste of the painful memories the purchase of a protocol droid may bring.
jkthunder
Seven Pieces
date Posted: Apr 15, 2008 10:24 PM

i still don't think so, but you and g could be right. i guess we will have to see if this shows up in any eu material.


Perhaps in either the animated Clone Wars or live action TV shows? CW may take plac a little too early, but supposedly the live-action show will be between eps 3 and 4.

*ever hopeful*

... although I do enjoy the story as it stands. Everything pulls together between the trilogies nicely for me. Remember this conversation?;)
mirax7
The Saga Begins
date Posted: Apr 16, 2008 10:44 AM
Perhaps in either the animated Clone Wars or live action TV shows? CW may take plac a little too early, but supposedly the live-action show will be between eps 3 and 4.
*ever hopeful*


the question is if the live-action show is going to show the entire 20 year span or just a small portion of it. and how much time it will focus on tatooine.

... although I do enjoy the story as it stands. Everything pulls together between the trilogies nicely for me. Remember this conversation?;)

nope. :D although i will give you that, before dark lord, i did think that owen knew who dv was.
Jade Sabre777
A luminous being, I am...
date Posted: Apr 20, 2008 12:59 PM
so I just finished watching the entire saga in chronological order for the first time (it's kind-of sad that I'm only just now getting around to it, huh?).
Don't feel bad - I did it for the first time back in December! (And I still haven't watched the whole thing in release-order! ;))

(And yes, I realize the wrongness of this statement.)
:D

I really recommend trying this (especially if you weren't around for the '77 release), because it gets you really pumped about the forthcoming action.
It really is amazing when you try hard!






Jade Sabre777
A luminous being, I am...
date Posted: Apr 20, 2008 1:13 PM
because Obi-Wan never told Owen and Beru about Anakin's transformation. So, instead, we find out that Owen just didn't want Luke to become a Jedi and be running around the galaxy and his reluctance to let Luke go to the academy is actually a mystery.
I forgot about that!

the death of the Lars' gives Luke resolve
So true!

Nice blog! I look forward to hearing more! :D
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