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Truly Wonderful, the Mind of a Child Is...
date posted: Dec 20, 2006 1:35 PM
The Attraction to Evil
Hello everyone!

While reading the latest issue of Insider (the interview with Prowse to be more specific), I got to thinking why people love Vader, or really just "the baddies". Don't get me wrong - I'm one of those people too! I got thinking about this topic, and I remembered a quote (originally by Shakespeare) in the book Contact by Carl Sagan. By the way, if you ever get the chance, read this book! It's a great look into humanity, and it has some very interesting scientific and mathematical ideas and backdrops in it. (And no, it's not as nerdy as it sounds)

The quote reads:

"The devil hath power
To assume a pleasing shape."
- William Shakespeare
Hamlet, II, ii, 628

I instantly made the connection with Chancellor/Emperor Palps/ Darth Sidious. (Too many names to keep track of!!) Palps obviously kept up a façade of goodness, so to speak. He was not really Palpatine - he had been Sidious ever since he became Plagueis's apprentice. He assumed a 'pleasing shape' to aid in his taking over the galaxy. (That sounds incredibly clichéd when I put it like that...)

I think we are so fascinated with the Dark Side because it is so simple to be drawn in by these 'pleasing shapes'. We are meant to either feel sorry for the villains (i.e. Ani in ROTS) or want them to redeem themselves in some way (like Ani eventually did). We want to see these evil people become better or different people. It is purely human nature to want to see people succeed and become better than they are. This is one of the many themes that makes The Saga so interesting in the first place, I think.

I think it's impossible to resist the inner struggle between good and evil within villains. Every baddie (well, at least almost every baddie) in any movie, TV show, or anything else, has some good in them, and this good is shown to draw us into their character. A few quick examples:

1. Quite obviously, Vader's inner good is shown through his love of Luke. Although it is very evident that Vader is very evil, we know that he has a good side to him, even if some only realise it right before he dies.

2. In the TV show Alias (which I absolutely love, and watch every day on the Space Channel), one of the 'evil' characters is named Sloane. He was the leader of an organization that could be spun as a terrorist cell within the U.S. However, many things he does are done to protect his wife, daughter, and his daughter's half-sister (they share the same mother).

I'm sure you get the picture, and I'm sure you can think of many more examples on your own. So, as you can see (I hope) I think we are attracted to the Dark Side (or villains in general) because we want to see them redeem themselves somehow. The protagonists (that's the good guys) are slightly less interesting (not to say that they're not, or that I don't like them), because they usually cannot become any better than they already are. (Yes, okay, there are some exceptions, but you see what I'm saying...)

I hope I explained myself clearly, as I've had some troubles getting this all into words. Hope I gave you something to think about!

May the Force be with You.:D

  Master Nephilin
Contemplations of a Jedi
date Posted: Dec 20, 2006 2:38 PM
I've noticed the same thing. I've got a Vader hat, a Vader shirt, four Vader action figures looking at me from the shelf, etc. I believe it's human nature to love evil and hate good. Why is it murder, theft, and rape make front page headlines, when good deeds are scooted to a side margin? Great blog.
  darthdarth70
date Posted: Dec 20, 2006 3:06 PM
I too love bad guys in literature. Because usually they are complex, and very interesting, just like what you said about Sloane (I watched that too) and Palpatine. Obi-wan for example, is very good, very pure. But sometime I couldn't help but feel that he's little boring.
DJ Maul: Got Feet?
DJ Maul's Dancin' Cantina Party
date Posted: Dec 20, 2006 3:22 PM
"Adventure? Excitement? A Jedi craves NOT these things!"

and so Yoda sums it up: The GOOD guys are hampered by rules, restrictions...even Superman had his hands tied by the fact that he could never allow himself to cause the DEATH of any person, innocent OR guilty.

The BAD guys, however, get free reign to do whatever they please!

Want something? TAKE it. Someone stands in your way? KILL them.

LAWS? Who cares about LAWS???

RULES? HAH!

I think its human nature to relate to those feelings sometimes.
  Blizzard Two
LET'S BLOW THIS THING AND GO HOME...!
date Posted: Dec 20, 2006 3:25 PM

That's why we all like Han- he's good, but not TOO good.

Evil is a complex thing. It can come from the actions of good people, well meant. In its most notable manifestations it is often born of a desire to do good, coupled with an inability to consider possible consequences.
Its day-to-day sense, though, is usually born of desire coupled with lack of understanding.
The question remains, though: is there a force behind these actions, fueling the desire, blinding foresight? Is there something objectively dark and universally malevolent? Is there such a thing as pure Evil?
That is one for the philosophers, I think.

Blizzard Two +

  Blizzard Two
LET'S BLOW THIS THING AND GO HOME...!
date Posted: Dec 20, 2006 3:27 PM
Oh...and bad guys get all the coolest kit. :)
  Son of a Bith
The Cantina Corner
date Posted: Dec 20, 2006 6:25 PM
No need to over-analyze it. We like bad guys because most of the time, they have the nicer clothes.

Except James Bond, of course. But even he was a little in the grey area ethically in the latest flick.;)
vadersgirl33
vadersgirl_reflections
date Posted: Dec 20, 2006 6:58 PM
I think characters like Vader hold our appeal because we WANT to see redeption. We WANT to see if they can become a good person in the end. Vader did.

vadersgirl33
  Kenobi-fan
The Jundland Wastes Journal
date Posted: Dec 21, 2006 10:49 AM
I think we are attracted to the Dark Side (or villains in general) because we want to see them redeem themselves somehow.
Sorry I haven't read this until now...its a good subject.

I highlighted the above statement because I think its correct as far as the reader's perspective is concerned.

However, I also think there is a true desire for darkness innate in all of us, beyond reading, that has nothing to do with redemption as much as it has to do with what we desire and fear. We all connect to darkness on some level, while some of us actually seek it out...I will definitely be exploring this in the future.
Qui-Gon Reborn
The Fifth Dimension
date Posted: Aug 21, 2008 7:08 PM
Hope I gave you something to think about!

You sure did!

I believe that every human has this inherent desire to give in to our wants, disregarding the prefrences of others, and serve our inner beast. (boy, that sounded pretty good, huh?;)

To me, Star Wars is really about the struggle within every living being, and is a true testament to human strength and the power of perserverence and redemption. Got all that?!

As for me...I prefer nicer guys. Like Qui-Gon.:D

Great work! MTFBWY!
kyle228
Truly Wonderful, the Mind of a Child Is...
date Posted: Aug 22, 2008 8:19 AM
boy, that sounded pretty good, huh?
You betcha!

I prefer nicer guys. Like Qui-Gon
How did I guess? ;)

I also think there is a true desire for darkness innate in all of us, beyond reading, that has nothing to do with redemption
I agree. We get into a whole other ball game when we start talking about the "evil's" perspective.

Thanks for all the comments!
Qui-Gon Reborn
The Fifth Dimension
date Posted: Aug 30, 2008 5:36 PM
How did I guess?

The Force is your ally. ;)

I just dropped by to re-read this entry, 'cause I really enjoyed it the first time. I haven't had any dark cravings lately, except for those Oreos that are sitting in the kitchen right now...:D
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